MMT Finale: Bacon vs. Voyager vs. Itachi

[Reptile6497]

Bacon
Showa Godzilla
Heisei Gamera https://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/gamera.htm
Showa Ultraman https://ultra.fandom.com/wiki/Ultraman_(character)

Vs.

Voyager
Showa Hedorah https://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/hedorah_showa.htm#71
Showa King Ghidorah
Showa Birdon https://ultra.fandom.com/wiki/Birdon

Vs.

Itachi
Shin Godzilla
Israfel https://wiki.evageeks.org/Israfel
Heisei King Ghidorah https://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/king_ ... sei.htm#kg

Arena: Submerging Japan (Submersion of Japan)

Rules: Showa Godzilla, Showa Ghidorah, and Shin Godzilla have all been sunk do to arena effect! All monsters have previous stated feats from throughout the tournament.

[Voyager]

We just lose.

[Reptile6497]

Change of plans. Getting rid of fourth team.

[Voyager]

Alright, this is interesting now. I'll put thoughts up some time soon.

[Itachi Amami]

Ultraman's going to be preoccupied with Birdon, while Gamera's role as protector of Earth should mean he goes after Hedorah early. Considering just how hot his fireballs are, that should at least be enough to keep Hedorah on the defensive. Ghidorah and Israfel don't have beef with anyone here, so they're just gonna attack what's in the way. The most I can say is that Ghidorah will be inclined to take flight given all the water.

Ultraman should be able to beat Birdon with finishers, but his timer will nearly be up. Not sure if he manages to help Gamera with Hedorah or engage one of my kaiju, but I don't think that changes too much given his lack of time. By this point, Ghidorah and Israfel should still be in pretty good condition given their defenses. Gamera could be hurting if Hedorah's thrown some sludge his way, but with the latter on the backfoot and some fire potentially around, this isn't guaranteed.

I'm confident in eventually taking down Gamera given his comparative lack of defensive options (though he'll make everyone work for it), but Hedorah in this environment is almost immortal. It will take some sort of trump card like the Mana Beam or Israfel's self-destruction to seal the deal. Still, those are two sure-fire ways to take him out, even if they're hard to set-up.

I think my team's got the right combo of offense and defense to win here, but all the variables make it a tricky call.

[Coobzilla03]

Am I allowed to weigh in a bit, Reptile?

[Reptile6497]

Am I allowed to weigh in a bit, Reptile?

Of course!

[Coobzilla03]

Am I allowed to weigh in a bit, Reptile?

Of course!

Thanks buddy!

Ultraman's going to be preoccupied with Birdon, while Gamera's role as protector of Earth should mean he goes after Hedorah early. Considering just how hot his fireballs are, that should at least be enough to keep Hedorah on the defensive. Ghidorah and Israfel don't have beef with anyone here, so they're just gonna attack what's in the way. The most I can say is that Ghidorah will be inclined to take flight given all the water.

It's not totally probable that Gamera would see Hedorah as more of a threat than anyone else here. He hasn't seen Hedorah before. If this was a movie and they'd met prior/Gamera has seen the sort of power to destroy humanity Hedorah yields, sure, but here I don't quite see it. I do agree with Ghidorah staying airborne most of the fight.

Ultraman should be able to beat Birdon with finishers, but his timer will nearly be up. Not sure if he manages to help Gamera with Hedorah or engage one of my kaiju, but I don't think that changes too much given his lack of time. By this point, Ghidorah and Israfel should still be in pretty good condition given their defenses. Gamera could be hurting if Hedorah's thrown some sludge his way, but with the latter on the backfoot and some fire potentially around, this isn't guaranteed.

Birdon killed Ultraman Taro, who is the strongest Showa Ultra by quite a margin. He also killed Zoffy. Now granted, Taro had been fighting prior with another kaiju, but Birdon still defeated him in short order as well as a fresh Zoffy later. Ultraman is not as strong or quite as skilled of a fighter as Taro is; I would have to say Birdon is favored to win this matchup. Those pecks are lethal. Birdon is the most dangerous close-quarters combatant here due to that and his overall speed and ferocity. He takes care of business. This is all assuming Birdon would go for Ultraman, which I see as fairly likely. He looks similar to Taro and Birdon has shown the precedent of attacking an Ultra even with his ancient rival standing right there. If Birdon rushes Ultraman as swiftly as he did Taro, Ultraman will be in for a rough time.

I do believe Ultraman would lose to Birdon, leaving Gamera alone and Bacon likely the first team out, unless it could be argued that Gamera is smart enough to give the Hero of Light a helping hand in his battle with bird brain. Gamera is mighty, and capable of making a run at this on his lonesome, but being outnumbered is something difficult to overcome with the strength of these other teams.

I think most of the time this comes down to Itachi vs. Voyager. King Ghidorah is a great boon; assuming Birdon stays on the ground, Ghidorah has a favorable matchup vs Voyager's team. I don't know much about Israfel. He sounds like a handful, from what I've read in these tournament rounds, but I haven't seen him first hand. In order to secure the win, he needs to reliably be able to defeat Hedorah if Gamera is unable to do so before dying, or be able to defeat Birdon in a short enough time to let Ghidorah chip away at Hedorah without the dragon being KO'd by Hedorah eye beams. I'm not sure about Ghidorah's ability to put down Hedorah solo since we don't know the true properties of the gravity beams but he will at least be able to hang.

[Reptile6497]

I don't know much about Israfel. He sounds like a handful, from what I've read in these tournament rounds, but I haven't seen him first hand.

Here’s video footage of Israfel’s fight in Eva episode 9:

[Coobzilla03]

Appreciate the vid!

Well, I'm impressed by his survivability. The splitting ability paired with his speed means that pretty much only Gamera could reliably tag him, by carpet-bombing him with fireballs as they had to do with rockets in this video. Hedorah and Ultraman are generally not spammy enough with their weapons to get the job done; this is where Shin Godzilla really would have come in handy (bonus match idea: The three monsters that got sunk hash it out in the underworld! ) . The chaos at the start of the match, before things sort of split up and branch off is probably anyone's best shot of hitting him. And even then, Israfel took some pretty heavy firepower there and didn't seem too phased. He could survive at least a volley or two of Gamera's fireballs, I expect.

While I'm less impressed with his offense, that fireball-thing he sent looked fairly strong. It put a dent in whatever that metal is, so the presumption would be it's nothing to sneeze at. The plan the EVAs (uhhh right, those two are EVAs?) ran against him shut down much opportunity for a counterattack so it's hard to gauge how proactive he'd be under less heat. The self-destruct option however, that was powerful looking. That would probably get it done against The Smog Monster. Now the question is, under what circumstances would he use it? Eventually you would think that Hedorah would gain a big advantage on Israfel due to a lucky shot or two, and Ghidorah has bitten the dust (assuming that Israfel's normal attacks are weak enough for the waiting game to begin). In my mind that's the likeliest scenario.

With all this said, Israfel should certainly survive until the very end of this bout in most scenarios, and he does have Hedorah-wiping capabilities. I'll lean Itachi for now!

[Voyager]

I think the main issue here for both Bacon and Itachi is that I generally don't see them outlasting Hedorah and Birdon, with the exception of Israfel due to his tricky abilities. They both have firepower aplenty, that's no issue, but having the attention split two ways means that Hedorah is not likely to be targetted enough to warrant her being put in actual danger by anyone she faces. No fighter off the bat would know how to deal with her, and the ones best equipped to like Ghidorah are not likely to engage her in a 1v1 setting.

Coob's also pretty much summed up my thoughts on Birdon, he's incredibly tough and deadly to boot. Stomping Taro and Zoffy is a feat that puts Birdon at the top echelons of this match's combatants, and I don't really see anyone here being capable of putting him down. Hell, Taro in their final fight wasn't even able to kill Birdon, only sealing him away iirc. I think my guys will be able to pull off a win thanks to a war of attrition here.

Israfel will be tricky but he's gonna need to attack us and against Hedorah, being melted is a very real threat.

[Itachi Amami]

It's not totally probable that Gamera would see Hedorah as more of a threat than anyone else here. He hasn't seen Hedorah before. If this was a movie and they'd met prior/Gamera has seen the sort of power to destroy humanity Hedorah yields, sure, but here I don't quite see it. I do agree with Ghidorah staying airborne most of the fight.

Once it becomes clear that Hedorah is basically made of pollution, Gamera will be inclined to go after him. He could definitely end up busy with someone else before-then, but it's hard to tell who that would be.

Birdon killed Ultraman Taro, who is the strongest Showa Ultra by quite a margin. He also killed Zoffy. Now granted, Taro had been fighting prior with another kaiju, but Birdon still defeated him in short order as well as a fresh Zoffy later. Ultraman is not as strong or quite as skilled of a fighter as Taro is; I would have to say Birdon is favored to win this matchup. Those pecks are lethal. Birdon is the most dangerous close-quarters combatant here due to that and his overall speed and ferocity. He takes care of business. This is all assuming Birdon would go for Ultraman, which I see as fairly likely. He looks similar to Taro and Birdon has shown the precedent of attacking an Ultra even with his ancient rival standing right there. If Birdon rushes Ultraman as swiftly as he did Taro, Ultraman will be in for a rough time.

Wouldn't Ultraman have some prior knowledge on Birdon's lethality and know to keep his distance? Maybe I'm wrong on that, but even just looking at the Showa Era I imagine he'd have been told about those fights eventually. If not, then Ultraman is going down, but I think he'll last longer than Taro and Zoffy originally did. The former had his hands full when facing Birdon, while the latter just didn't have the best feats back then. Taro did way better in his rematch with Birdon, even if he had trouble finishing the big bird off.

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The plan the EVAs (uhhh right, those two are EVAs?) ran against him shut down much opportunity for a counterattack so it's hard to gauge how proactive he'd be under less heat. The self-destruct option however, that was powerful looking. That would probably get it done against The Smog Monster. Now the question is, under what circumstances would he use it? Eventually you would think that Hedorah would gain a big advantage on Israfel due to a lucky shot or two, and Ghidorah has bitten the dust (assuming that Israfel's normal attacks are weak enough for the waiting game to begin). In my mind that's the likeliest scenario.

Two things from the wider series that help answer your questions:

1. Israfel previously fought these two EVAs and beat them when they weren't really working together. We don't know the specifics since basically all the fighting was off-screen, but we see the EVAs planted head-first in the ground in the aftermath. This happened after Israfel was forcibly split by a spear, so at least in retaliation it should be decently proactive.

2. The self-destruction seems correlated to an Angel's core (the red sphere usually at their center) being under threat of destruction. Basically an "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me" move, but only if the core is directly in-danger.

[Coobzilla03]

Birdon killed Ultraman Taro, who is the strongest Showa Ultra by quite a margin. He also killed Zoffy. Now granted, Taro had been fighting prior with another kaiju, but Birdon still defeated him in short order as well as a fresh Zoffy later. Ultraman is not as strong or quite as skilled of a fighter as Taro is; I would have to say Birdon is favored to win this matchup. Those pecks are lethal. Birdon is the most dangerous close-quarters combatant here due to that and his overall speed and ferocity. He takes care of business. This is all assuming Birdon would go for Ultraman, which I see as fairly likely. He looks similar to Taro and Birdon has shown the precedent of attacking an Ultra even with his ancient rival standing right there. If Birdon rushes Ultraman as swiftly as he did Taro, Ultraman will be in for a rough time.

Wouldn't Ultraman have some prior knowledge on Birdon's lethality and know to keep his distance? Maybe I'm wrong on that, but even just looking at the Showa Era I imagine he'd have been told about those fights eventually.

I can see where you're coming from. It's probably a question for Reptile, whether or not Ultraman gets prior info

[Reptile6497]

Birdon killed Ultraman Taro, who is the strongest Showa Ultra by quite a margin. He also killed Zoffy. Now granted, Taro had been fighting prior with another kaiju, but Birdon still defeated him in short order as well as a fresh Zoffy later. Ultraman is not as strong or quite as skilled of a fighter as Taro is; I would have to say Birdon is favored to win this matchup. Those pecks are lethal. Birdon is the most dangerous close-quarters combatant here due to that and his overall speed and ferocity. He takes care of business. This is all assuming Birdon would go for Ultraman, which I see as fairly likely. He looks similar to Taro and Birdon has shown the precedent of attacking an Ultra even with his ancient rival standing right there. If Birdon rushes Ultraman as swiftly as he did Taro, Ultraman will be in for a rough time.

Wouldn't Ultraman have some prior knowledge on Birdon's lethality and know to keep his distance? Maybe I'm wrong on that, but even just looking at the Showa Era I imagine he'd have been told about those fights eventually.

I can see where you're coming from. It's probably a question for Reptile, whether or not Ultraman gets prior info

No, he doesn’t

[Voyager]

I'm voting I win, I don't see my foes being able to overcome Hedorah and Birdon in this free for all setting.

[Itachi Amami]

Voting for myself, I think Ghidorah and Israfel generally having the means to stay out of harm's way is enough to outlast the competition save Hedorah, who is vulnerable to being overwhelmed here.

[Logan268]

Voyager

[Coobzilla03]

On paper, Voyager probably has the strongest team and that is compounded by the environment. However, I don't think his team matches up well with Itachi's for my aforementioned reasons.

1 - Itachi
2 - Voyager
3 - Bacon

[Reptile6497]

The tie-break coin toss makes me give the vote to… VOYAGER!