MMT R8: Noodles vs. Dyna

[Reptile6497]

Noodles
Kate's Zetton https://ultra.fandom.com/wiki/Zetton
Megalon https://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/megalon.htm
Legion https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Legion

vs.

Dyna
Showa Tyrant https://ultra.fandom.com/wiki/Tyrant
Rei's Gomora https://ultra.fandom.com/wiki/Rei's_Gomora
Showa Kumonga https://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/kumonga_showa.htm

vs.

Todola https://ultra.fandom.com/wiki/Todola

Arena: Todola's Realm (Ultra Q)

Rules: Todola comes out to defend his realm! Rei's Gomora only has season 1 feats and can't go EX.

[Kaijuking101]

Rei's Gomora may very well be the strongest monster on Dyna's team. I guess Tyrant could match up based on his performance of stomping Showa Era Ultra Brothers and matching Taro, but it's been a while since I've ran analyses on them. Either way, both are outmatched by Kate's Zetton who takes on Rei's Gomora and two other kaiju at once, with Rei's Eleking being a near peer to Rei's Gomora being equivalent to the scenario Dyna wins themselves in. Add to Legion's beams and Megalon being enough to distract them and I think Kate's Zetton gets free rein to stomp on Dyna's team.

[DynaMight]

Rei's Gomora may very well be the strongest monster on Dyna's team.

I actually find myself disagreeing with this notion. Yes, MMB is much more flashy, but I believe Gomora is very noticeably weaker than Tyrant. The fact the chimera managed to steamroll all the Ultras is an utterly absurd feat of endurance and power. The Showa era, while obviously not as ridiculous as later installments, still has several incredible feats. Among them we have Ultraman hugging a nuclear bomb in Ragon's episodes and being unharmed from the explosion, Jack detonating Vacuumons with the bracelet, Seven quite literally flying to the sun and being unharmed, etc


Kate's Zetton is impressive, but to say it will handle Tyrant AND Gomora at once is heavily underplaying Tyrant's prowess. I believe the chimera is able to go blow for blow, if not outright beat Zetton in a 1v1.


But how about the rest? Legion is dangerous, yes, her beamd will hurt like her, but she is much more vulnerable upclose than Zetton. I think either Gomora or Tyrant could really let her have it once the distance os closed (which for Gomora it won't be hard thanks to his burrowing), and as for Megalon, he is simply outmuscled and heavily outsmarted in this scenario.

Kumonga may not be able to inflict the damage of her comrades, but webbing up Zetton mid duel with Tyrant would be catastrophic for the Space Dinosaur, and the silk will probably freak Megalon out while he tries to figure out what it is

[Gojira 41mk11]

stomping Showa Era Ultra Brothers and matching Taro

"Matching" is a very strong word to describe a fight as one sided as Taro vs Tyrant.

[Itachi Amami]

Zetton is just too much for any individual member of Dyna's team to handle. If Tyrant and Gomora worked together, they'd be a challenge for him, but Megalon and Legion will prevent that from happening. Kumonga's also less useful than usual thanks to the battlefield getting lit up by fire and explosions.

[Voyager]

stomping Showa Era Ultra Brothers and matching Taro

"Matching" is a very strong word to describe a fight as one sided as Taro vs Tyrant.

Yeah but Tyrant was likely very exhausted.

[Kaijuking101]

stomping Showa Era Ultra Brothers and matching Taro

"Matching" is a very strong word to describe a fight as one sided as Taro vs Tyrant.

You're right, upon rewatching the fight, Tyrant gets absolutely manhandled by Taro and basically can't do anything back.

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Rei's Gomora may very well be the strongest monster on Dyna's team.

I actually find myself disagreeing with this notion. Yes, MMB is much more flashy, but I believe Gomora is very noticeably weaker than Tyrant. The fact the chimera managed to steamroll all the Ultras is an utterly absurd feat of endurance and power. The Showa era, while obviously not as ridiculous as later installments, still has several incredible feats. Among them we have Ultraman hugging a nuclear bomb in Ragon's episodes and being unharmed from the explosion, Jack detonating Vacuumons with the bracelet, Seven quite literally flying to the sun and being unharmed, etc

Jack's Vacuumons detonation is clearly something that can only be attributed to the Ultra Bracelet, given it is the weapon that does all the work in piercing and killing the giant cloud. Given Jack doesn't use this Bracelet against Tyrant and how no other feat (until Leo's planet busting) comes close, I don't think it's a valid feat to bring up.

Everything else isn't as impressive either. Flying to the Sun isn't as energy dense as Gomora's beam (it'll only emit several tons of tnt per square meter based on calculations, which is much less energy being spread over a wider surface area, Gomora's beam realistically emits tens of kilotons of tnt in a maximum ten or so square meter area just based on being able to vaporise entire kaiju). Hugging a nuclear bomb also isn't all too impressive considering a) we don't see how far Ultraman is, for all we know he could have yeeted the nuke away once he took it up, b) inverse square law drastically reduces the amount of energy per square meter Ultraman is exposed to the farther he is, c) none of these feats are anywhere too beyond what Godzillas like Heisei or FW can achieve and Gomora is largely comparable to them anyways.

Tyrant does manhandle each Ultra Brother individually, but based on feats their beams are no more stronger than Gomora's own Super Oscillatory Wave, in fact possibly less based on the VFX as they don't completely vaporise the kaiju they blow up, and leave chunks that don't visibly appear superheated. I will admit that after rewatching some fights, Tyrant's durability and energy absorption abilities do go up drastically, the ability to ignore and absorb those Ultra Beams is impressive and puts its durability up quite decently.

Kate's Zetton is impressive, but to say it will handle Tyrant AND Gomora at once is heavily underplaying Tyrant's prowess. I believe the chimera is able to go blow for blow, if not outright beat Zetton in a 1v1.

This I disagree with. Tyrant isn't as fast or as mobile as Kate's Zetton, so even if they were equal Zetton would have a clear advantage. Tyrant's own firepower is lackluster (flamethrower that does nothing special) and Zetton casually withstands barrages of KJB's Pedanium bullets and Super Oscillatory Waves without a scratch and only really staggers from them. I'm of the opinion that Gomora's Super Oscillatory Wave still has better feats than the Showa Era Ultra Brothers' beams (vaporise kaiju more completely without as many chunks and with more visible superheating, and larger, heavier kaiju proportionally, the kaiju are outright taller than Gomora who is around the same height as the Ultras, most kaiju Ultras blow up are around the same size). Both have a similar degree of durability then, so it comes down to offense.

Zetton's melee is able to match that of King Joe Black, who effortlessly overpowers Rei's Gomora. Rei's Gomora has much more impressive physical feats than any Showa Era Ultra Brother (lifting entire kaiju suspended on its horn with solely neck and shoulder muscles, and throwing them overhead. It's like lifting a person on your nose and throwing your head back, sending them flying to the other side of a room) and Zetton is able to overpower this. By contrast, Tyrant only really overpowers the strength of Showa Era Ultra Brothers that use better leverage and muscles from their arms and shoulders to lift kaiju of similar weight and throw them around. Tyrant has weapons, but these weapons don't prove all that specially effective compared to regular melee. Tyrant's flamethrower is useless, so this means a fight between the both of them becomes a melee slugfest. Except Zetton also has its fireballs, a barrier to block Tyrant, and a much stronger beam that matches Pedanium bullets and the Super Oscillatory Wave in firepower. As both are arguably equal (Zetton and Tyrant have similar degrees of durability, Zetton has the edge in physical strength), Zetton's wider arsenal of tools and better speed and initiative should mean Zetton wins a 1v1.

But how about the rest? Legion is dangerous, yes, her beamd will hurt like her, but she is much more vulnerable upclose than Zetton. I think either Gomora or Tyrant could really let her have it once the distance os closed (which for Gomora it won't be hard thanks to his burrowing), and as for Megalon, he is simply outmuscled and heavily outsmarted in this scenario.

Kumonga may not be able to inflict the damage of her comrades, but webbing up Zetton mid duel with Tyrant would be catastrophic for the Space Dinosaur, and the silk will probably freak Megalon out while he tries to figure out what it is

Zetton is strong enough and Kumonga's webbing lacks the feats to suggest that the webbing would significantly hinder something of Zetton's physical prowess. It very well may not be the disruptive influence it's hyped up to be.

That being said, you have convinced me that you have a better chance than I initially thought you did. Tyrant has reminded me of why it's so respected amongst Ultra Kaiju, and that fact suggests that the matchup between it, Rei's Gomora & Kate's Zetton could be closer. Requires more thought.

[Voyager]

I really hope these upgrades aren’t permanent because how are some of us meant to deal with this

[Nagoda]

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Yeah, this is really, really, REALLY fuckign close. Goddamn.

Legion being a tank and taking shots is my best bet to escape this alive.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Yeah, I got it, I think.

[Kaijuking101]

Noodles by the skin of his teeth. After a lot of back and forth, I still end up concluding that Zetton would require Tyrant and Rei's Gomora to beat and even then it'll be quite an even match. Tyrant may have the defenses to last but it lacks the offenses to achieve anything meaningful against Zetton, whilst Rei's Gomora was canonically stomped by Kate's Zetton even when a near peer in Eleking and another powerful kaiju in Fire Litra was there to support him. Kumonga is an ineffective support kaiju in this scenario due to Megalon's napalm bombs and Legion's beams, and those will quickly overwhelm the Spider, leaving backup for Zetton who really doesn't need it.

[Itachi Amami]

Noodles takes this thanks to Zetton's canonical record.

[FatBaconUnicorn]

Dyna but its CLOSE