What's Next? Future of Toho

[LSD Jellyfish]

And yet Toho's reaching out to Korea to help reboot The Human Vapour. If such a joint effort between both countries succeeds, things could change.

As of now, not 100%, and we don't know if they're "reaching out for help" or if it's just a smart business decision.

On top of that, there's a pretty substantial difference in making a kaiju film/series versus a mutant person production.

[GodzillaIsCool]

I would really like to be a fly on the wall for board meetings (I can't speak Japanese though...) to see what they are trying to come up with to follow up Minus One. If they thought they had pressure to come up with a hit after Shin... lol. Have fun guys trying to follow up a fricken Oscar. /lol

[Vakanai]

Just checking in again, long time no see peeps.

, but I like the anthology approach Toho's going for in the Reiwa era

A month later, but this! I'm so much more interested in continuing to get a new version of Godzilla than a sequel to the last film. This really feels like it could be the Millennium films done right!

Im all for going for one offs with highly rated directors if this is the route Toho wants to go.

...seriously, where was all of this back in December and January? Everyone was all "Minus One must have a sequel" and I was alone wanting to go the anthology route.


But for real, glad I'm not quite the pariah.

I'm not at all a fan of the constant one off approach. Especially when there's a version of Godzilla I'd like to see more of.

This has been me for years with Shin but everyone and their mother here is always telling me "I feel like Shin told a complete story and I don't want to see a sequel to that." So I understand it - but as much as I liked Minus One, I don't want a sequel. There is no way a sequel would take place in the modern day, and I just feel like these historical setting ideas are best left as one offs personally. Part of why I've been gone for months was the talk of "next film should be height of the cold war" stuff put me off...

Edit: Oki, less gone for months and more infrequently popping up, but still!

[LegendZilla]

^People need to stop treating Toho's anthology-based approach like some gold-standard. Having a direct sequel to previous film now and then will not hurt anyone. Or is the risk of one ruining everything that came before just too high?

[miguelnuva]

^People need to stop treating Toho's anthology-based approach like some gold-standard. Having a direct sequel to previous film now and then will not hurt anyone. Or is the risk of one ruining everything that came before just too high?

People like what they want and defend it that is all. None of us onow what Toho is doing but after Minus One I'm not going to sit here and get mad at something before I see it.

I didn't like Shin but a lot of people did. I liked Minus One so at this point despite batting 500 for me personally Toho has knocked it out of the park twice.

If they want Reiwa to be anthology so be it. That just means more chance of getting something you like and something you don't.

Also stacks up the Godzilla battle Royale you can have in your head.

If you like a continuing stroy with the same Godzilla luckly some fans like me have the Monsterverse we are enjoying.

[Vakanai]

^People need to stop treating Toho's anthology-based approach like some gold-standard. Having a direct sequel to previous film now and then will not hurt anyone. Or is the risk of one ruining everything that came before just too high?

No one is treating it as a gold standard, not even me. I'm treating it as a preference - what I, personally, would prefer and like to see, and am just expressing some joy that I no longer seem to be as alone in that preference as I had feared I was. You're preference and hopes are different, and that's fine.

People differ on preferences - and I know I haven't always handled that fact well myself. Something I've been trying to work on.

And similar question to you - would not getting a sequel really hurt anyone? Would not getting a sequel somehow ruin anything?

EDIT: And like the guy above me said, if sequels are your thing, there is the MonsterVerse.

[LegendZilla]

^I know the Monsterverse has an ongoing continuity, but those films are a mixed bag among the fandom at best. Is it too much to ask for another two-part film or even a trilogy now from Toho and then? What I want at least one continuity spanning more than one film to unite the fandom like Minus One did.

[miguelnuva]

^I know the Monsterverse has an ongoing continuity, but those films are a mixed bag among the fandom at best. Is it too much to ask for another two-part film or even a trilogy now from Toho and then? What I want at least one continuity spanning more than one film to unite the fandom like Minus One did.

Who cares about the fandom being united if you like what you like. I don't like Shin at all I probably would have hated a Shin continuity despite being in the minority. I would have loved a Minus One sequel but once again I would be a foot to doubt Toho at this point with what they are doing becasue Despite me not liking Shin I'm not blind. Toho has knocked it out of the park twice.

Do you like the Monsterverse LegendZilla?

If not all I can say is sorry you're not enjoying Toho's current Godzilla offerings.

I wanted a Reiwa Godzilla like we had a Showa and Heisei Godzilla but I have the MV Goji and I've come to embrace all the different versions of Godzilla Toho is doing because there will be a better chance at more of us liking something. A Shin sequel would have meant no Minus One and a Minus One sequel for all we know could stop the next film which might be better than Minus One for all we know.

I do think the Anthology approach is going to get a direct sequel at some point because we got the Kiryu films in the last era and Yamazaki had an idea he could do a minus one sequel for the 75th anniversary for all we know.

[Vakanai]

^I know the Monsterverse has an ongoing continuity, but those films are a mixed bag among the fandom at best. Is it too much to ask for another two-part film or even a trilogy now from Toho and then? What I want at least one continuity spanning more than one film to unite the fandom like Minus One did.

A sequel wouldn't guarantee that. Like I said, I was gung ho on the period piece approach assuming it's a cool one off. But more period piece sequels? Yeah...please no. Also, does the fandom need to be united for one continuity? I don't think so. Some people hate the Showa era for it's campiness and cheapness - others love it for the creativity and fights. Some people hate the Heisei era for the beam wars and slow moving suitamation - others love it for attempting more serious storytelling and attempted visuals. MonsterVerse same thing - division seems to be the only thing we fans can agree on.

I hear talk of a sequel with cold war elements and I tune out. It just doesn't interest me at all. Would I watch it? Sure. But that's not going to get my attention or get me hyped up like a new project will. I've had two good continuities, one current continuity I've grown to...not love to put it gently, and one short lived anthology series. I think a second anthology series really wouldn't be so bad. And if that approach can give great films like Shin and Minus One? Such very extremely different films it's impossible to compare them imo? Yeah, I'd like to see what other concept they can come up with.

[Kaijucifer]

For what it’s worth, I heard Shinsuke Sato earlier this year from two separate sources in Japan.

It won’t be a Minus One sequel (last I heard) and it WILL be a monster vs monster film.

Reassuring if true. It wont be minus one peakness, but hopefully it will deliver the peak ive been looking for that i didnt get out of GxK.

[GodzillaIsCool]

As far as I am concerned Toho showing huge restraint and not doing a Shin sequel was great on their part. And if they show that restraint again after Minus One, that takes a lot of balls.

Cause you know if those were Hollywood studios we would have a sequel out within 18 months. I don't mind waiting for a new Toho Godzilla movie and I don't mind them mixing it up. I say let them cook and figure out what they want to do. And even the US Godzilla movies are not pumping them out every year which to me is fine. You can get burnt out on anything, including stuff you love.

Absences makes the heart grow fonder!

(insert goofy face)

[Jomei]

You don't know that they were showing restraint. It's entirely possible Anno turned them down. He had Shin Evangelion to finish, then there was the script and editing for Shin Ultraman, and next Shin Kamen Rider. The pandemic happened in the midst of this as well.

There's also the complexity of their arrangement with Legendary. If you look into production comments re: Shin Godzilla, they were under a bit of a crunch due to that agreement.

[PuzzledAmphibian]

You don't know that they were showing restraint. It's entirely possible Anno turned them down. He had Shin Evangelion to finish, then there was the script and editing for Shin Ultraman, and next Shin Kamen Rider. The pandemic happened in the midst of this as well.

There's also the complexity of their arrangement with Legendary. If you look into production comments re: Shin Godzilla, they were under a bit of a crunch due to that agreement.

Looks like it was a little of all the above. Hideaki Anno did have lots of ideas for a sequel and wanted to be involved while hoping Shinji Higuchi would be the sole director. A quick turn around (crunch) was needed to get schedules to lineup and possibly to stay within the Legendary agreement as you mentioned.

Stolen from Wikipedia:

In 2022, Hideaki Anno revealed that he had planned to create a sequel to the film, stating that "I wrote a proposal during the filming of Shin Godzilla on February 3, 2016, labeled Sequel Shin Godzilla Memo. The primary working title for the project was Shin Godzilla's Counterattack (シン・ゴジラの反撃, Shin Gojira no Hangeki) and with the assumption that Mr. Higuchi would direct, it was meant to be something like a Toho Champion Festival kaiju showdown. Since it was concocted to be released in 2018, the shortest time possible for a domestic-made Godzilla film to be released, it was a rough draft for people who wouldn't like Shin Godzilla, an idea that wouldn't cost too much or take too long to create. I believed that it would be a bad idea to let it go to waste so I gave the proposal, draft, and visuals, as a gift to Mr. Higuchi and Toho, but since it was premature or whatever, among other reasons, after the film's release the discussion ended. While I did feel it was a waste, it's not something I could help since Toho decides what gets made."

Too bad, sounds like it might have been fun!

[zukzilla]

It seem that some of folks are freaking out over Toho revealing that they have rules for all future Godzilla projects that Godzilla is not allowed to die or “prey on people or things”

[UltramanGoji]

It seem that some of folks are freaking out over Toho revealing that they have rules for all future Godzilla projects that Godzilla is not allowed to die or “prey on people or things”

Those folks are ignorant to the fact that these rules have been in place and known about since at least 1993, if not earlier.

[miguelnuva]

It seem that some of folks are freaking out over Toho revealing that they have rules for all future Godzilla projects that Godzilla is not allowed to die or “prey on people or things”

Those folks are ignorant to the fact that these rules have been in place and known about since at least 1993, if not earlier.

The dying one is debatle since they killed him in 95. People wanted to know was it he couldn't die period or if he couldn't be killed by people which is what I heard for the longest as well all know how G98 was killed.

The writer rooms quote however was very reveling because it explained why every Godzilla was acting like Shin before Minus One.

[Spuro]

The writer rooms quote however was very reveling because it explained why every Godzilla was acting like Shin before Minus One.

What quote is this?

[miguelnuva]

The writer rooms quote however was very reveling because it explained why every Godzilla was acting like Shin before Minus One.

What quote is this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/t ... psubsc-v1a

Basically after the room formed after shin godzilla they're job was to make sure Godzilla is treated the same across all continuties including Movies, Hollywood and crossover promotion.

[Jomei]

It seem that some of folks are freaking out over Toho revealing that they have rules for all future Godzilla projects that Godzilla is not allowed to die or “prey on people or things”

Those folks are ignorant to the fact that these rules have been in place and known about since at least 1993, if not earlier.

The writer rooms quote however was very reveling because it explained why every Godzilla was acting like Shin before Minus One.

It reveals nothing of the kind. The quote you linked to shows that they only have a few largely unintrusive rules.

[miguelnuva]

Those folks are ignorant to the fact that these rules have been in place and known about since at least 1993, if not earlier.

The writer rooms quote however was very reveling because it explained why every Godzilla was acting like Shin before Minus One.

It reveals nothing of the kind. The quote you linked to shows that they only have a few largely unintrusive rules.

According to Yoshikawa, these strict impositions also allow for some continuity between the way the kaiju is portrayed in Hollywood films and those released in Japan. The Toho executive says these rules have been strictly adhered to in the two most recent films about the character: ‘Godzilla Minus One,’ a Japanese production in 2023, and ‘Godzilla and Kong: The New Empire,’ an American film in 2024.

That's the full quote from one of the articles. It could be a translation era or a summarized quote but that's what I read.

https://en.as.com/meristation/news/godz ... utType=amp