Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire NON-SPOILER THREAD

[king_ghidorah]

Would love to see that comes to pass though. An MV fighting game sounds amazing

[Moogabunga]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

[miguelnuva]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

So what the first two Godzilla connected universes did.

[Voyager]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

So what the first two Godzilla connected universes did.

I wouldn’t count on Mooga to say that was the right thing to do…

[CamtheGodzillafan]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

bro don't show that much hate towards the MV, Legendary is working very hard on these movies, at least show a little respect to them, and new character development can be a good thing, if you have a problem with a new character, then that's your problem, not ours.

[GojiSquid]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

Not every character is necessarily gone-gone (ex: Mark, Madison, and the Chen sisters could easily return in future productions, provided that the actresses and actor want to, as could any number of the living monarch scientists), and plenty of cinematic franchises have characters that don't appear in every movie (ex: MCU's Jane Foster didn't appear in The Avengers). Though I do agree that introducing a bunch of new characters does run the risk of bloating the movie to the point that they need to tear apart the script while cutting it to size, but it's too early to say whether or not that's the case here.

bro don't show that much hate towards the MV, Legendary is working very hard on these movies, at least show a little respect to them, and new character development can be a good thing, if you have a problem with a new character, then that's your problem, not ours.

While I get your frustration, telling someone not to dislike the MV is stupid, and telling Mooga to be respectful is just plain impossible.

[CamtheGodzillafan]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

Not every character is necessarily gone-gone (ex: Mark, Madison, and the Chen sisters could easily return in future productions, provided that the actresses and actor want to, as could any number of the living monarch scientists), and plenty of cinematic franchises have characters that don't appear in every movie (ex: MCU's Jane Foster didn't appear in The Avengers). Though I do agree that introducing a bunch of new characters does run the risk of bloating the movie to the point that they need to tear apart the script while cutting it to size, but it's too early to say whether or not that's the case here.

let's not forget the G-Team (Barnes, Martinez, Colonel Foster)

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So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

Not every character is necessarily gone-gone (ex: Mark, Madison, and the Chen sisters could easily return in future productions, provided that the actresses and actor want to, as could any number of the living monarch scientists), and plenty of cinematic franchises have characters that don't appear in every movie (ex: MCU's Jane Foster didn't appear in The Avengers). Though I do agree that introducing a bunch of new characters does run the risk of bloating the movie to the point that they need to tear apart the script while cutting it to size, but it's too early to say whether or not that's the case here.

bro don't show that much hate towards the MV, Legendary is working very hard on these movies, at least show a little respect to them, and new character development can be a good thing, if you have a problem with a new character, then that's your problem, not ours.

While I get your frustration, telling someone not to dislike the MV is stupid, and telling Mooga to be respectful is just plain impossible.

I'm not saying don't dislike it, I'm saying don't show that much hate towards Legendary, after all, they are the ones making the Godzilla movies for us, better show them some respect at least.

[Sammy19]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

At least they're learning from their mistakes and including Jia and Ilenes Andrews in the new one.

[Xx_The_Masquerade_xX]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

It's not really idiotic, none of the characters from Godzilla's solo films were memorable nor liked (outside Cranston whom they killed off halfway through the first movie). They also were one of the weakest links in Godzilla vs Kong....

Replacing them with newcomers is a smart decision with a cast hopefully audiences can actually appreciate. Like Rebecca Hall and Kaylee Hottle's characters. Brian Tyree Henry character can be fleshed out more to make him much more interesting.

[JAGzilla]

I'm not saying don't dislike it, I'm saying don't show that much hate towards Legendary, after all, they are the ones making the Godzilla movies for us, better show them some respect at least.

It's true that everyone deserves respect, but let's not pretend that Legendary is making these movies "for us." They aren't generously giving gifts, they're a business manufacturing products and selling them for profit, just like Toho or any other studio.

[CamtheGodzillafan]

I'm not saying don't dislike it, I'm saying don't show that much hate towards Legendary, after all, they are the ones making the Godzilla movies for us, better show them some respect at least.

It's true that everyone deserves respect, but let's not pretend that Legendary is making these movies "for us." They aren't generously giving gifts, they're a business manufacturing products and selling them for profit, just like Toho or any other studio.

yeah, I guess that's true, but movies are for the entertainment of the people, plus, I was just so pissed at Mooga for being so ungrateful towards legendary.

[Moogabunga]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

It's not really idiotic, none of the characters from Godzilla's solo films were memorable nor liked (outside Cranston whom they killed off halfway through the first movie). They also were one of the weakest links in Godzilla vs Kong....

Replacing them with newcomers is a smart decision with a cast hopefully audiences can actually appreciate. Like Rebecca Hall and Kaylee Hottle's characters. Brian Tyree Henry character can be fleshed out more to make him much more interesting.

You're not exactly wrong...but you're highlighting a key reason why the Monsterverse in general can't be viewed as nothing more than ultimately disappointing...and that is that the writing is trash. The casts of G14 and KOTM aren't the issue. You bring up the prospect of Brian Tyree Henry's character getting fleshed out...and I could simply ask why not bring back other previous characters and flesh them out? It's not like audiences loved BTH's character or anything. As a matter of fact, a lot of people brought him up as a problem in GvK. Personally, I would rather have brought back Aaron Taylor Johnson as a member of Monarch and/or Elizabeth Olsen and give her something to do. But even if you move on from them, fine. Kyle Chandler, good actor - capable of leading the franchise. But they just made some bizarre decisions with his character - always being the one to have all the answers in every situation is a little weird and grating, for example. Vera Farmiga, Charles Dance (who was made a big deal in viral marketing), Millie Bobby Brown, Sally Hawkins, Ken Watanabe, David Strathairn were all good enough to provide compelling, fun, or interesting characters if given better material. Instead, they're entirely wasted. So I really don't see how replacing the cast is in any way a "smart decision". The cast has essentially been swapped 4 times now...with the same result. The constant...bad writing. And now we're going from a franchise that had Bryan Cranston, Elizabeth Olsen, Ken Watanabe, Charles Dance, Vera Farmiga, Sally Hawkins, David Strathairn, Millie Bobby Brown, Kyle Chandler....all the way to the cast of the upcoming film....Yikes. Bad writing + lackluster cast is not a recipe for success

[miguelnuva]

So can we talk about the fact that every single character connected to Godzilla from 2014 and KOTM is now gone. That's just spectacularly idiotic. Completely disregarding human character continuity is a very dumb idea in what is supposed to be a "connected universe", let alone a regular stand alone franchise. Replacing the main casts for each movie just ultimately makes each film feel like it takes place in its own little world. Not to mention, replacing the cast every time places the burden of now spending precious screen time developing new characters

It's not really idiotic, none of the characters from Godzilla's solo films were memorable nor liked (outside Cranston whom they killed off halfway through the first movie). They also were one of the weakest links in Godzilla vs Kong....

Replacing them with newcomers is a smart decision with a cast hopefully audiences can actually appreciate. Like Rebecca Hall and Kaylee Hottle's characters. Brian Tyree Henry character can be fleshed out more to make him much more interesting.

You're not exactly wrong...but you're highlighting a key reason why the Monsterverse in general can't be viewed as nothing more than ultimately disappointing...and that is that the writing is trash. The casts of G14 and KOTM aren't the issue. You bring up the prospect of Brian Tyree Henry's character getting fleshed out...and I could simply ask why not bring back other previous characters and flesh them out? It's not like audiences loved BTH's character or anything. As a matter of fact, a lot of people brought him up as a problem in GvK. Personally, I would rather have brought back Aaron Taylor Johnson as a member of Monarch and/or Elizabeth Olsen and give her something to do. But even if you move on from them, fine. Kyle Chandler, good actor - capable of leading the franchise. But they just made some bizarre decisions with his character - always being the one to have all the answers in every situation is a little weird and grating, for example. Vera Farmiga, Charles Dance (who was made a big deal in viral marketing), Millie Bobby Brown, Sally Hawkins, Ken Watanabe, David Strathairn were all good enough to provide compelling, fun, or interesting characters if given better material. Instead, they're entirely wasted. So I really don't see how replacing the cast is in any way a "smart decision". The cast has essentially been swapped 4 times now...with the same result. The constant...bad writing. And now we're going from a franchise that had Bryan Cranston, Elizabeth Olsen, Ken Watanabe, Charles Dance, Vera Farmiga, Sally Hawkins, David Strathairn, Millie Bobby Brown, Kyle Chandler....all the way to the cast of the upcoming film....Yikes. Bad writing + lackluster cast is not a recipe for success

Why don't you leave the MV subform like Vanakai did if you think every film is getting worse and worse.

[mvp9056]

So wait, what makes the cast of the upcoming movie so bad again? From what I've seen they all appear to be good actors.

Also it's funny that you wanna penalize the new movie for not continuing on with the casts from previous movies, when that's precisely what they're doing by bringing back three cast members. Blame KOTM for (unceremoniously) killing off the remaining few character threads that could've tied all the Godzilla movies together.

[king_ghidorah]

Agreed about Moog leaving the sub forum. If everything is so negative and you’re not adding anything new then why participate?

Do you really want to be THAT guy? You seem like a good guy Moogabuna but even people like Legion who may not love these films have something constructive or positive to add on occasion in these threads.

I’m also not sure what you get out of it by getting angry and revisiting this sore subject for yourself every day.

But hey, if you want to keep doing this it’s fine. Not running you out of here with pitchforks and torches or anything.

[Moogabunga]

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[Legion1979]

Dude, it's really clear so much of your dislike of where this series is going is based around your clear burning hatred of Kong as a character and the idea of him sharing space with Godzilla. I really think that's what all of this boils down to.

Regardless, at the end of the day these movies don't fail or succeed financially based on their human characters. So the people who star in these films don't really matter. It matters to us, but the causal audience couldn't give a shit. When it comes to Godzilla they never have.

[Moogabunga]

Eh. Done talking about it

[Sammy19]

Until the new movie comes out that is.

[Kaijucifer]

Just a guess...

It will initially be Hollow Earth Kong-centred with Godzilla saving the day in the third act, leading to a full-on Godzilla movie that will be in production at the same time as this one, albeit staggered a few months later. Those flying creatures/aliens that were hinted at (plus the "eating of the star") last year will come into play.

Your idea sounds better than most, plasma. Also, how are you? Been some time lol.