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[MrGoji1999]

Welp, Iran launched missile attacks on Israel after what USA did.

Trump and Netanyahu better not complain about it, they caused this themselves.

[miguelnuva]

Welp, Iran launched missile attacks on Israel after what USA did.

Trump and Netanyahu better not complain about it, they caused this themselves.

Iran and Isreal have been shooting missiles at each other all week.

Trump however has warned if Iran dies any retaliation he will unleashed more force againts them and Maga is already saying a War with Iran would be quick for us to win.

Where have we heard about a quick war before.

[MC_Lovecraft]

And now Iran's parliament has voted to close the Strait of Hormuz, through which nearly twenty percent of the world's oil passes on its way to market. It's up to The Old Man if they actually do close it, but don't be surprised if gas prices jump up majorly just on the possibility. And just in time for the Fourth Of July weekend, too! So much winning.

[miguelnuva]

And now Iran's parliament has voted to close the Strait of Hormuz, through which nearly twenty percent of the world's oil passes on its way to market. It's up to The Old Man if they actually do close it, but don't be surprised if gas prices jump up majorly just on the possibility. And just in time for the Fourth Of July weekend, too! So much winning.

I just joked that Gas had gotten cheaper for the first time in years again, the government will probably do something to raise it.

[LegendZilla]

If this doesn't bring the mullah regime down, nothing will. There's a very rea possibility the current government of Iran could make it through. If I'm correct, it's bound to last another 45 years or more.

[MrGoji1999]

Welp, Iran launched missile attacks on Israel after what USA did.

Trump and Netanyahu better not complain about it, they caused this themselves.

Iran and Isreal have been shooting missiles at each other all week.

Trump however has warned if Iran dies any retaliation he will unleashed more force againts them and Maga is already saying a War with Iran would be quick for us to win.

Where have we heard about a quick war before.

That's true. Very ironic that the "anti-war" group is now excited to do a war with Iran because it could be an easy W. That's gonna hurt them a lot if they keep thinking like that.

I forgot about the likehood of this making the gas prices to jump hugely, that's a yikes. If this doesn't wake up the MAGA cult, I don't know what else will do.

[LSD Jellyfish]

If this doesn't bring the mullah regime down, nothing will. There's a very rea possibility the current government of Iran could make it through. If I'm correct, it's bound to last another 45 years or more.

Hmm, no. If my own prognostications are correct, it’ll take at least another 52 years!

[Jomei]

Welp, Iran launched missile attacks on Israel after what USA did.

Trump and Netanyahu better not complain about it, they caused this themselves.

Iran and Isreal have been shooting missiles at each other all week.

Trump however has warned if Iran dies any retaliation he will unleashed more force againts them and Maga is already saying a War with Iran would be quick for us to win.

Where have we heard about a quick war before.

That's true. Very ironic that the "anti-war" group is now excited to do a war with Iran because it could be an easy W. That's gonna hurt them a lot if they keep thinking like that.

I forgot about the likehood of this making the gas prices to jump hugely, that's a yikes. If this doesn't wake up the MAGA cult, I don't know what else will do.

It's not really a good point because he just pulled a fabricated statement out thin air. "Maga" isn't one person, and I have yet to see anyone say it would be "quick for us to win." What I see is a lot of division about the matter. Plenty of neocons and former #NeverTrump people like John Bolton and Mike Pence are praising the attack. "Maga" people like Tucker Carlson, Jack Posobiec, Alex Jones, MTG, and Steve Bannon are cautious at best or totally opposed to getting involved in the conflict in many cases. See Don Lemon here stating his surprise at being on the same side as that part of the right.

There's a contingent of the right, a growing one, that really is skeptical of these Middle East entanglements. Sadly, there is also a contingent that is slavishly, maniacally devoted to Israel and/or otherwise invested in supporting such conflicts.

It's also worth keeping in mind that this Israel devotion and ME-bombing tendency is bipartisan. In his last year in office, Obama bombed Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq. Here's Kamala on Iran's nuclear program.

[JAGzilla]

We really should know by now that these things are never quick for us to win. We might kick the regular Iranian military's shit in very easily, but the real fight doesn't start until afterwards. And then we struggle for decades against entrenched insurgency until we give up and crawl home.

[miguelnuva]

Iran and Isreal have been shooting missiles at each other all week.

Trump however has warned if Iran dies any retaliation he will unleashed more force againts them and Maga is already saying a War with Iran would be quick for us to win.

Where have we heard about a quick war before.

That's true. Very ironic that the "anti-war" group is now excited to do a war with Iran because it could be an easy W. That's gonna hurt them a lot if they keep thinking like that.

I forgot about the likehood of this making the gas prices to jump hugely, that's a yikes. If this doesn't wake up the MAGA cult, I don't know what else will do.

It's not really a good point because he just pulled a fabricated statement out thin air. "Maga" isn't one person, and I have yet to see anyone say it would be "quick for us to win." What I see is a lot of division about the matter. Plenty of neocons and former #NeverTrump people like John Bolton and Mike Pence are praising the attack. "Maga" people like Tucker Carlson, Jack Posobiec, Alex Jones, MTG, and Steve Bannon are cautious at best or totally opposed to getting involved in the conflict in many cases. See Don Lemon here stating his surprise at being on the same side as that part of the right.

There's a contingent of the right, a growing one, that really is skeptical of these Middle East entanglements. Sadly, there is also a contingent that is slavishly, maniacally devoted to Israel and/or otherwise invested in supporting such conflicts.

It's also worth keeping in mind that this Israel devotion and ME-bombing tendency is bipartisan. In his last year in office, Obama bombed Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq. Here's Kamala on Iran's nuclear program.

It wasn't a fabricated statement. A couple of days ago they were a few Maga people on YouTube responding to a republican senator on a news cast saying Iran knows they can't beat us and it will be a quick war if they try to respond to Trump's bombings.

I never said all MAGA.

[Jomei]

Iran has struck a US-run airbase in Qatar.

Reportedly per NYT Iranian reporter, there was communication about these attacks happening, as was the case in the 2020 response strikes, i.e. Iran had to make a show of force but wanted to do so in a way that did minimal damage and gave both sides a way to walk away without losing face.

Crossing fingers that this is indeed satisfactory symbolic retribution that allows negotiations to begin rather than more war.

[miguelnuva]

Trump just posted in Truth social. Iran gave advance warning before they attacked the US base in Qatar. He called it a weak response but feels Iran has got it out of their system and now Iran and Isreal can sit and half peace talks.

As if now no US plans for retaliation.

[MC_Lovecraft]

Oh man, if this is where this exchange ends(fingers crossed!), Trump just blueballed so many policy hawks something fierce!

Unfortunately, as Jomei was observing, war against Iran has been a bipartisan desire in the U.S. government for decades, at least. I can't imagine those people will react well to getting so close and then getting stood up at the last minute.


Just read that Trump called Iran's response, which seems to have been designed not to kill anyone, "very weak". He really can't help but be a prick, can he?

[Legion1979]

Eat shit and die, Trump.

[Jomei]

...meanwhile...

Israel and Iran have agreed to a ceasefire.

[LegendZilla]

...meanwhile...

Israel and Iran have agreed to a ceasefire.

How likely does this mean the regime in Iran will survive for another 45ish years? Or rather than directly leading to regime change, could what just happened indirectly lead to it?

[LSD Jellyfish]

...meanwhile...

Israel and Iran have agreed to a ceasefire.

How likely does this mean the regime in Iran will survive for another 45ish years? Or rather than directly leading to regime change, could what just happened indirectly lead to it?

Listen! How many times do I have to tell you, it won’t be at least another 52, 52 years I say, until a regime change!

On a serious note: a regime change isn’t necessarily good or bad. For all you know, there could be a regime change that is actively worse, for both the people inside Iran, and the entire Middle East.


Additionally, although I take the side of anti-war here, and am somewhat annoyed about the continual involvement with Israel/the ME, there’s too many variables to really have a concrete opinion on all this, because to put it simply, no one here is trustworthy.

-How close was Iran to actually building a nuclear weapon?
-How much did Israel influence Trump to conduct the strikes?
-How much damage was actually done to the nuclear facilities?
-How much behind the scenes communication was there with any of these parties during the entire operation?
-What was Trump’s endgame here? Was he goaded into something and then regretted it?

And the biggest question, which no one can answer at this point, is how much this conflict will continue, and if it’s meaningful in terms of historic standing.

Only:
Trump, Bibi, and the Iranian leader have any actual insight info on any of these answers and questions.

[LegendZilla]

Listen! How many times do I have to tell you, it won’t be at least another 52, 52 years I say, until a regime change!

On a serious note: a regime change isn’t necessarily good or bad. For all you know, there could be a regime change that is actively worse, for both the people inside Iran, and the entire Middle East.


Additionally, although I take the side of anti-war here, and am somewhat annoyed about the continual involvement with Israel/the ME, there’s too many variables to really have a concrete opinion on all this, because to put it simply, no one here is trustworthy.

-How close was Iran to actually building a nuclear weapon?
-How much did Israel influence Trump to conduct the strikes?
-How much damage was actually done to the nuclear facilities?
-How much behind the scenes communication was there with any of these parties during the entire operation?
-What was Trump’s endgame here? Was he goaded into something and then regretted it?

And the biggest question, which no one can answer at this point, is how much this conflict will continue, and if it’s meaningful in terms of historic standing.

Only:
Trump, Bibi, and the Iranian leader have any actual insight info on any of these answers and questions.

At this point, I honestly won't be surprised if the regime lasts another 52 years. It really doesn't seem to be out of the question. This conflict could easily amplify whatever stockholm sydrome some people in Iran have for the regime, further emboldening the latter. As a result, whatever methods they have on cracking down on dissent will be dialed up to 11.

[MrGoji1999]

Iran and Isreal have been shooting missiles at each other all week.

Trump however has warned if Iran dies any retaliation he will unleashed more force againts them and Maga is already saying a War with Iran would be quick for us to win.

Where have we heard about a quick war before.

That's true. Very ironic that the "anti-war" group is now excited to do a war with Iran because it could be an easy W. That's gonna hurt them a lot if they keep thinking like that.

I forgot about the likehood of this making the gas prices to jump hugely, that's a yikes. If this doesn't wake up the MAGA cult, I don't know what else will do.

It's not really a good point because he just pulled a fabricated statement out thin air. "Maga" isn't one person, and I have yet to see anyone say it would be "quick for us to win." What I see is a lot of division about the matter. Plenty of neocons and former #NeverTrump people like John Bolton and Mike Pence are praising the attack. "Maga" people like Tucker Carlson, Jack Posobiec, Alex Jones, MTG, and Steve Bannon are cautious at best or totally opposed to getting involved in the conflict in many cases. See Don Lemon here stating his surprise at being on the same side as that part of the right.

There's a contingent of the right, a growing one, that really is skeptical of these Middle East entanglements. Sadly, there is also a contingent that is slavishly, maniacally devoted to Israel and/or otherwise invested in supporting such conflicts.

It's also worth keeping in mind that this Israel devotion and ME-bombing tendency is bipartisan. In his last year in office, Obama bombed Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq. Here's Kamala on Iran's nuclear program.

First of all, that wasn't a fabricated statement.

Second of all, I know MAGA is not one person and not everyone in that group wanted war, I apologize for that, but just like Miguel, I did see some comments like that during the weekend. Of course Bolton could like the attack, he loves war for ages. I will say I did see #NeverTrump criticizing what he did on Saturday tho, and Tucker apologized to Trump about his comments because Trump didn't like being criticized.

Finally, I know the Israel devotion and ME-bombing tendency is something both sides unfortunately do from a long time ago, I dislike it when Trump does it, and I also didn't like it when Biden was allowing Israel to keep killing people in Gaza, let's not try to do whataboutism on this subject.

As for the recent news, it sounds nice and all, but then I remembered that Israel broke their promise on Gaza after signing a crossfire, even the article mentioned doubts about this ending the conflict yet at the end.

[Greyshot151]

...meanwhile...

Israel and Iran have agreed to a ceasefire.

How likely does this mean the regime in Iran will survive for another 45ish years? Or rather than directly leading to regime change, could what just happened indirectly lead to it?

Up in the air for the Iran Regime. I think the biggest shake up will occur when the Ayatollah passes. Until then, so long as the military backs the government, there more than likely won't be any changes.

As for the ceasefire, MrGoji is spot on. While a stop to the killing for both sides is great news, Israel did start this war by bombing Iran's nuclear assets and air defense systems, dragging the U.S. into the conflict. Now the reason could be that Iran was close to a nuke, or more than likely, Israel's leader used it as another way to keep himself as the head of the government since he's facing multiple corruption cases and a host of discontent from his coalition.

Right now, we don't know how much Iran's nuclear program was set back, but based on photo imagery, it seems less successful than Trump claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_T79thmJBU

So if this happens again within the year, or the next few months, it wouldn't be too surprising. Netanyahu uses these conflicts to justify his place, but what enemies does Israel have left?