The "Godzilla x Kong: Supernova" News, Discussion & Speculation Thread

[king_ghidorah]

I meant to respond to a quote by one of the staff recently, but I’d like to point out “relatable” doesn’t equate to greatness or interesting. Relatable often feels like a shorthand for making something bland and palatable for everyone, in order to garnish sympathy and emotions. This isn’t always a bad thing, and some things do it well. Godzilla Minus One is a great example, although I’d argue that the film is more interesting because it chooses to focus on Shikishima’s regret and possible guilt in conjunction to simple revenge on Godzilla.

I’ll get some people going “ugh not again”, but think about Rando Yaguchi in Shin Godzilla. In many ways, he’s extremely unlikeable and unrelatable. That’s fine, it’s more interesting. I like experiencing media that is very different from my own experience and comfort zone.

Likewise, a lot of Godzilla movies have a lot of great characters, but many western audiences (or film critics) seem preoccupied with the idea that if a character has less agency or character development, it’s bad writing.

I hope I’m wrong, but a big fear I have with Supernova is that they’ll learn the wrong lessons from -1.0 and instead focus on a boring family drama like KOTM or parts of G14. GVK knew it was schlocky, and actually managed to tell a nice and compelling story between Jia and Kong.

I agree with this more or less....BUT, I do think the KOTM drama is compelling and also, not as grating as some of the stuff in Minus 1 which is melodramatic, maudlin and over-the-top at times.

[Showa Gyaos]

I hope I’m wrong, but a big fear I have with Supernova is that they’ll learn the wrong lessons from -1.0 and instead focus on a boring family drama like KOTM or parts of G14. GVK knew it was schlocky, and actually managed to tell a nice and compelling story between Jia and Kong.

This is my fear too. The KOTM route resulted in a lot of people writing off a film that otherwise probably would have been a crowd pleaser because it tried too hard to juggle that action with characters that felt like hollow cut outs. People who otherwise didn't care about the lack of characters in Kong: Skull Island happened to despise KOTM for even trying.

If this is a repeat of that, it won't fare well. I do feel like they need to try something different soon, but I don't believe the people behind these films are able to write compelling and good characters. Nobody who goes to see these films wants a drama about some estranged family trying to get together again, they want to watch giant monsters fight. That's kind of sad, but it's the reality of things now.

[Mechagigan]

Like you said, it just depends on if the writing works. KOTM's family drama felt confused and disjointed, I didn't feel anything but hate for the weird genocidal mother character. Maybe that's just me being too literal with the story, but that's about all I remember. I'd much rather have funny flat characters like Bernie, least they're entertaining, even if it's low brow or whatever. I think they're smart to have leaned into that when the drama in the first 2 Godzilla MV flicks was so empty. I honestly doubt they'll try to emulate Minus One specifically, it feels out of their range

I am being a little exaggurative here, to be clear, lol. KOTM isn't all that "ruined" by my issues with the family plot. Just felt like they wanted to say something, but missed any particular landing. I think the drama in KOTM is grating in the sense that I can't see the mother as anything but a villain, yet the movie itself doesn't seem to align with that

[MoonlightSYXXX]

I dont know why anyone would think Legendary would put the breaks on the nonsense when thats what seems to be popular.

Honestly, with Space Godzilla and Little G being in the film; This universe is dead.

The box office success for Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire would say otherwise lol

If the campy stuff just isn't your thing, stick with the Minus One stuff I guess

Personally, I'm completely on board with Team Campy. Campy is the hot thing right now (ex. the upcoming Superman). It would be hard for this franchise to go back to the serious tone from 2014 when you give Kong a robot glove & Godzilla a pink glowup.

Doesn't mean we can't have compelling or (at minimum) interesting human stories in these type of films. Hopefully Grant Sputore can deliver on that front.

Don't get me wrong, I want and hope these movies do well/are good; I just worry about it going FULL camp seeing as how Godzilla was a laughing stock in this country for 5 decades. The GA are just now starting to take G films seriously with -1 and its Oscar win. I guess -1 and to some degree the Monarch show spoiled me a bit; They were more of a serious tone but still delivered on the monster action. This is just personal opinion, but having a dumb villain like SpaceG and a juvenile Godzilla might be a little much since Kong has a son (kind of) already. But then again, I didn't think Legendary would be able to pull off G and Kong fighting, MechaG and Mothra and they did. Maybe they'll prove me wrong.

[king_ghidorah]

Im so sick of fans wanting approval and respect from the mass public.

In some ways Minus 1 was a double edged sword for the franchise. Im looking forward to the sequel but im also ready to move past it.

[Legion1979]

I'll be 50 in just 4 years. I got into Godzilla when I was 6.

At this point I couldnt give a rat's ass what the general public thinks of this character. I enjoy tokusatsu movies on my terms, as anyone else should. Worrying about what people you've never met think of Godzilla seems so pointless. Godzilla has hung on for 70 years. He'll be fine no matter what movies they make.

[miguelnuva]

As I said before Godzilla is both more popular and less popular than fans give him credit for.

Minilla more so then Jr is one of the most well know Godzilla kaiju from the Showa era playing on TV and SpaceGodzilla is a 90's dream character.

This characters are no more campy than Godzilla himself it depends on how they are used.

I find mostly funny how the Godzilla fandom likes to say what won't happen or what Legendary won't do.

We were never getting another Godzilla vs Kong and I'm sure everyone remembers Mechagodzilla was never happening in the Monsterverse.

Hell some argued Ghidorah wouldn't be from Space.

[Showa Gyaos]

For me it has less to do with caring about what other people think and more about getting some bang for my buck.

I think it'd be GREAT if Sputore and co. managed to tell a great story that balanced human character development evenly with giant monster spectacle. I'd rather, however, get what we've been getting if they can't pull it off. I don't want to follow another Ford Brody or Mark Russell. The DEEPEST character we have in this entire sub-franchise is Hank Marlow, a funny lieutenant who just wanted to go home after being stuck on Skull Island for decades. Possibly even Serizawa, but I feel even he wasn't developed enough to justify that kind of acknowledgement.

If that's the best that this series can deliver, I'd rather they didn't try at all.

[zukzilla]

if you're worry about Godzilla being a laughing stock, Godzilla is up for Public domain in 2032. Do you really want to see him in very cheap slasher film?

[MoonlightSYXXX]

Im so sick of fans wanting approval and respect from the mass public.

In some ways Minus 1 was a double edged sword for the franchise. Im looking forward to the sequel but im also ready to move past nevermind

[miguelnuva]

if you're worry about Godzilla being a laughing stock, Godzilla is up for Public domain in 2032. Do you really want to see him in very cheap slasher film?

Only in Japan and only the first film. Plus Japan is more respectful of ip so I doubt too many Public domain Godzilla films will release.

[Pkmatrix]

if you're worry about Godzilla being a laughing stock, Godzilla is up for Public domain in 2032. Do you really want to see him in very cheap slasher film?

Only in Japan and only the first film. Plus Japan is more respectful of ip so I doubt to many Public domain Godzilla films will release.

No, not only the first film.

It is the copyright on every Ishiro Honda film released before 1971 - The "Kurosawa Rule": lifetime of the director plus 38 years (plus one, because it's always at the end of the last year).

Technically, in Japan, the first Godzilla movie to enter the public domain was Godzilla Raids Again, 38 years after its director passed away. Anguirus is already public domain there

EDIT: Want to make clear also that, yes, this is only in Japan. In the United States we still have a few more decades before the copyright expires.

[miguelnuva]

if you're worry about Godzilla being a laughing stock, Godzilla is up for Public domain in 2032. Do you really want to see him in very cheap slasher film?

Only in Japan and only the first film. Plus Japan is more respectful of ip so I doubt to many Public domain Godzilla films will release.

No, not only the first film.

It is the copyright on every Ishiro Honda film released before 1971 - The "Kurosawa Rule": lifetime of the director plus 38 years (plus one, because it's always at the end of the last year).

Technically, in Japan, the first Godzilla movie to enter the public domain was Godzilla Raids Again, 38 years after its director passed away. Anguirus is already public domain there

EDIT: Want to make clear also that, yes, this is only in Japan. In the United States we still have a few more decades before the copyright expires.

thanks for that. Also there we go, Angurius hasn't popped up in large demand in Japan.

[LSD Jellyfish]

I’ve said it before, but worrying (or being happy) about Godzilla possibly going public domain will literally change nothing, especially in the internet era. The only possible thing it might do is allow small time creators to monetize their fan works but beyond that nothing will happen.

[LegendZilla]

I’ve said it before, but worrying (or being happy) about Godzilla possibly going public domain will literally change nothing, especially in the internet era. The only possible thing it might do is allow small time creators to monetize their fan works but beyond that nothing will happen.

But with time, changes that occur that allows people to have easier access to the money and resources they need.

[LSD Jellyfish]

I’ve said it before, but worrying (or being happy) about Godzilla possibly going public domain will literally change nothing, especially in the internet era. The only possible thing it might do is allow small time creators to monetize their fan works but beyond that nothing will happen.

But with time, changes that occur that allows people to have easier access to the money and resources they need.

You can have a billion dollars, all the ai machinery in the world, and the access to Godzilla, and I still wouldn’t be interested in watching it.

[LegendZilla]

You can have a billion dollars, all the ai machinery in the world, and the access to Godzilla, and I still wouldn’t be interested in watching it.

Do you fear that being free for all will just cheapen and devaluate Godzilla?

[LSD Jellyfish]

Do you fear that being free for all will just cheapen and devaluate Godzilla?

Nope.

[JAGzilla]

I’ve said it before, but worrying (or being happy) about Godzilla possibly going public domain will literally change nothing, especially in the internet era. The only possible thing it might do is allow small time creators to monetize their fan works but beyond that nothing will happen.

But with time, changes that occur that allows people to have easier access to the money and resources they need.

You can have a billion dollars, all the ai machinery in the world, and the access to Godzilla, and I still wouldn’t be interested in watching it.

Are you saying you wouldn't be interested in a Godzilla movie not made with Toho's involvement, or made with AI? Or by Legend specifically?

[Legion1979]

Is this the random hypothetical question club? Is it exclusive to Legendzilla or can anyone join?