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Re: KWCE Match Trivia

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Iiiiit's trivia tiiiiiiime. This one's a twofor!

Godzilla Earth vs. Serpentera

This one started just from me trying to find a good opponent that actually matched Earth size wise, though the plot itself was a bit more unorthodox. I was thinking since Godzilla was supposed to be the avatar of Earth, it would be a good experiment to see him try roaming a planet that obviously wasn't his own. I guess Zedd doesn't have an exact homeworld, so I just said "screw it, I'll set it on some Toho owned planet" and went with Peaceland.

It's a bit important to note that for my matches in general, I.. don't really map out exactly what I want to do with the story beyond the beginning and sometimes the end. The entire ending with
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Ghidorah orchestrating the entire thing
was actually a last minute decision. Glad I made it though!

Gigantis vs. Agon

The general concept of Godzilla vs. One of his parodies/clones/predators was something I wanted make a K.W.C.E match for a good while. I eventually picked Agon after doing some research on him and actually finding out he had a bit more history with Toho than most (namely, they blocked his show from being aired for a straight seven years :lol: ) and thought Gigantis matched the classic "black and white monster" asthetic he did. Setting the fight in Area 51 came from another general concept of a Monarch esc. organization holding all its kaiju in a singular facility instead of spreading them across the globe, and the potential consequences of that. I flip-flopped through locations and where exactly the fight would be set, but eventually said "Well, for a plot like this, it might as well be a place already famous for potentially hiding crazy supernatural/extraterrestrial life", and Area 51 had a card, so....

I recall one earlier version I had set in in Janjira, and instead of the explosion going off via bombs, it would have happened because the fighting caused all the power plants to melt down and implode on themselves. Keep that bit in mind, because it'll probably prop back up again in some future match of mine. ;)

Some of you guys were asking if the characters were from any pre-existing material. They're not! They're all OCs I came up with after watching a bunch of 50's era B-movies. Though Herbert in particular was based off C-3PO from Star Wars. They were all fun to write with, and I definitely hope to expand upon them later. And yes, there is going to be sequels to this match sometime in the future. They're gonna expand upon the character's new lives and go deeper into the backstory of everyone (Herbet's origins and the alien's teamwork with the U.S definitely so), though will still take place mostly in the 50's-60'5. No timeframe for when the first one will come out, but keep an eye out!
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Here is a p interesting of my most recent match

Tyrant Vs Birdon
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The original ending had Tyrant charge blindly towards Birdon, only for the latter to fly out of his way and make him fall off a cliff. Tyrant would have died by breaking his neck on the fall, but I decided to change that since it felt oddly spiteful to Tyrant lol

Also, originally Tyrant would have died almost inmediately after going berserk, but I wanted him to get a few licks in before suffering the heart attack.

And finally, Tyrant's death was in part inspired by the OG Red King! Specifically the final death throes he does before succumbing
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Lots to talk about with my latest match!

Godzilla (Showa) & Megalon vs Tyrant (Showa)
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The match was pretty dark, and got much darker as it went on. But the original match was supposed to be much lighter, and even almost comedic. It would have had Godzilla and Megalon fight Baltan, Dada, Icarus, Nackle and Babarue. This is referenced in one line of Temperor’s segment at the beginning of the match.

Tyrant is largely based on his Taro incarnation, with emphasis on just how powerful and unstoppable he is. This is a side of Tyrant that is often forgotten, I feel. The dude beat Zoffy, Ultraman, Seven, Jack and Ace like it was nothing.

Tyrant being the victor was always the intent, but Megalon was planned to live. I even had him in the banner of the third match to this trilogy. Megalon was killed off to show how brutal Tyrant is, and because I couldn’t really realistically conceive a way for him to live. Godzilla was fucked up horribly, but at least he has regen to save him. Megalon doesn’t.

Seven, Taro and Mebius get name dropped in the buildup to the sequel because they’re all my favourite Ultramen, along with Ultraman himself. However, others were in consideration, notably Dyna, Ace and even Zero at one point.

Mothra shows up as Godzilla’s pal and was supposed to originally bring Anguirus and Rodan as well. The two guys would be left to ponder as Godzilla, Ultraman and Mothra fly into space where they would just be super confused.
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KWCE Spidember Match: Little Kong and Skullcrawler vs. Queen Quake Spider

The original idea for this idea wss actually two ideas. One that took place in the Land Before Time universe and an idea with Kong that hadn't been completed but did take place in the cave. It had Sharptooth featured as a main focus. Eventually, combining the ideas led to what we got now.
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Ok trivia time for my Spidember Match. Rattler and Yellowback vs Queen Quake Spider. I know the match was very long, but I really got into writing it and making the story, that was around the monsters fighting, to be something different for a KWCE.

That being said, I made the story as a tribute/sequel to the Scott Ciencin characters that were in the young reader Godzilla books that were in the 90's. Godzilla Invades America, Godzilla vs The Space Monster, and Godzilla Journey to Monster Island. I grew up with those books, as well as the other ones like Robot Monsters, 2000, and At Worlds End too. But not too long ago I read the Ciencin had passed away at a fairly young age. And it does seem that not a lot of fans have read those books, or even talk about them. The much longer adult ones with Marc Cerasini get the most attention. Now those books are better just because of their mature storytelling and sheer length. But the Ciencin ones are not bad either. They were just written for a different audience.

Anyhoo, I took the psychic kids from those books and expanded on their story. What if they were brought together under the US government and allowed to form a defensive line against the rising kaiju threat. The KPC or Kaiju Prediction Core. Godzilla and his allies are on Monster Island and can be lured around the world by the kids (now teenagers), to fight other monsters that threaten humanity.

Another character I used was the character of Mizuno. He is from the Toho film called The Human Vapor. The movie is not available here in the US (I honestly don't know why because Netflix is about to do a series for the thing), so a lot of Gfans have probably not seen it. I like the movie, but it is the weakest of the "mutant Trilogy" from Toho. Mantango and H-Man are far better. But I like the character of the Human Vapor and really wanted to use him in a story one day. His military emblem badge is an Easter egg for a private foundation ground that I want to expand upon in another story. Don't want to spoil it, but Mizuno is not the only "creature like" character that will be from that private foundation team.

But yeah, I just wanted to take the original monsters from the Ciencin books, Rattler and Yellowback, and give them a bit of the limelight so to speak. And I like Spiderquake

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EarthbaragonOG wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:40 am His military emblem badge is an Easter egg for a private foundation ground that I want to expand upon in another story. Don't want to spoil it, but Mizuno is not the only "creature like" character that will be from that private foundation team.
Ooh, Toho’s Creature Commandos? Interesting…
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VegetableBooy wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:23 am
EarthbaragonOG wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:40 am His military emblem badge is an Easter egg for a private foundation ground that I want to expand upon in another story. Don't want to spoil it, but Mizuno is not the only "creature like" character that will be from that private foundation team.
Ooh, Toho’s Creature Commandos? Interesting…
Sort of. Mizuno is only one of two toho related characters from the group I want to create. The rest will come from other sources and influences. My 2nd Anguirus KWCE match, Anguirus vs Ganium and Gezora, will use 2 more characters from that mysterious foundation.

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Wailord vs Ymir:

Anybody who watches Lupin movies should recognize the Easter egg regarding the name he uses in his disguise. In certain dubs, the name "Wolf" is used in place of his actual name (for legal reasons if I remember correctly). That was a little nod to those dubs.

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So much to break down with Ultraman Mebius, Ultraman Hikari & Evangelion Unit-02 vs Evangelion Unit-01. This story is a pure labour of love as it combines my two favourite IPs.
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It's not really implied but I wrote Mefilas as the one from the original 1966 Ultraman. The gentlemanly way he acts and his dislike of overindulgent violence all comes from 66 Mefilas.

Zoffy's role in the story was originally going to be held by Taro, but Zoffy was already mentioned in the last match so I changed it.

Mefilas's false surrender was a nod to Jackal's false surrender to Melos in The・Ultraman: Jackal vs. Ultraman.

Yui being the final boss was something that has been intended since day one, since its based off a personal view of the character I hold. She's not a good person and would be considered straight up evil if she was in the foreground of the story of NGE. Her goals were always Instrumentality. But, at the same time, I didn't make her irredeemably evil as the thing that matters most, even more than her grand plan, is her son. And if Shinji wants to live, as he does by the end of the story, she will concede.

The story is based purely within the world of NGE, however a connection to the world of the Rebuilds is hinted at through the metaphysical bullshittery of the Evangelion. Yui is able to tap into powers beyond the confines of her universe, hence the Pseudo Evolution and combining elements of EoE and 2.0.

Ritsuko was going to be the original host of Hikari which would fit well as a parallel to Misato and Mebius, since both Hikari and Ritsuko are scientists. However, I switched it to Asuka because of the connection made in the previous match, as well as Hikari drawing parallels to Asuka through their dealings with anger. And if they didn't bond, Asuka would either be dead or do nothing in the climax. Speaking of Ritsuko, she's probably the loose end that escaped me. I was going to have some other form of closure for her off screen death, but I think that like Kaji, it's a death that has be accepted.

The climax would have seen Third Impact actually begin, but Mebius Phoenix Brave would have tried to absorb the energy. This would have thrown him, Hikari, Asuka and Misato into Instrumentality where they would each talk to memories of different people.
- Misato would have spoken to Kaji
- Asuka would have spoken to her mother.
- Mebius would have spoken to Taro, as well as Melos (who in this story would be revealed to be Mebius's father)
- Hikari would have spoken to Tregear, who would have mocked him.

As Mebius's life force stalls the Anti A.T. Field from spreading over the Earth and killing everyone, the six Ultra Brothers would have appeared and all used their finishers to push it back and then blow up Lilith (a shower thought for this ending would have also included Mebius Infinity somehow). However, this is not the only fate of Lilith that could have made it in. Lilith's original fate was that calamity would have been avoided without its death, and Zoffy would have offered Lilith the choice to leave the Earth, which it would take. The next was that Zoffy would have separated Rei Ayanami from Lilith using the Beta Capsule, meaning she'd return at the end and be happy.

Shinji's connection with Rei III was something that also slipped my mind when writing but I don't think it hampered the story by ignoring it. Also shafted by my own admission is definitely the bridge crew, but I couldn't think of much to do with them in the climax without greatly puffing up the word count. This is a bit regrettable since I did quite a bit to characterise them, especially Maya. There could have been something with Gendo at the end, but in order to fully emphasise the themes of the story I thought it best to just have him show that he's not going to shut Shinji out anymore.
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11 Ultra Brothers vs. Alien Mefilas, Gymaira, Dinozaur & Eva-13

A lot to cover here, so let's do it!
Spoiler:
If you've been following my activity on this subforum for a while, you could guess this story was going to be a lot different to how it turned out. It was just meant to be an epilogue that would have been roughly the same as what we got - Mefilas tries once more to take over (with kind of the same attitude), has a scuffle with our main trio before Mebius returns and bonds with Misato once more to fight Mefilas! No Ultraman Hikari or any of the other UB, and certainly no Gymaira, Dinozaur or Eva 13. It would have ended with Mebius straight up killing Mefilas, although Mefilas expresses regret as he dies, and then goodbyes.

Eventually, one by one, new elements kept getting added. Hikari and Gymaira were next, and at about that time, strangely enough, the Mantle Ceremony came about this early on in planning. It's just a thing I wanted to see since Zero and Z have capes but Mebius doesn't. Interestingly, I was going to have pretty much every Ultraman appear at the ceremony, which is carried on (kinda?) as I'll explain. Anyways, the Ultra Brothers were added soon after and with that the Dinozaur. The match was going to end after Mefilas was beat and the Dinozaur eliminated, but I just wanted to spice it up that extra bit, and thank God I did. Evangelion-13 drastically shifted the match, and I think without its presence, the match would have turned out a lot differently. The stakes were made so much higher and we got tons of great moments out of it.

So, with all the pieces in place, we can (not) look at the trivia!

This match (and the greater trilogy as a whole) takes place in the unspecific 'years following Ultra Galaxy Fight: The Destined Crossroad'. We haven't really seen much of the main universe since then, so it's not intrusive on the canon. If I had to give it a specific time, I'd probably say concurrent with the events of Ultraman Arc or a little afterwards, albeit in a different universe.

I said in the trivia for last match that Mefilas was kinda sorta maybe implied to be the '66 incarnation directly, but this match confirms that he is his own individual with his own history. Though, connecting him to the OG Mefilas through idolisation was still added to connect the two. A weird inspiration I actually had with Mefilas in this match, particularly his more bestial and violent side, was Anastasia's Rasputin.

I can't remember if I ever mentioned this, but Toji Suzuhara's distinct kansai accent is based on his characterisation from the slice of life doujinshi Shinji Ikari Raising Project. I think giving him an accent fits his character well and sets him apart from Shinji and Kensuke rather than just being another teenage boy.

Hikari references Jiro Sakata from Return of Ultraman during the house gathering scene.

The Land of Light and their customs are very much inspired by the Christian Knights of the medieval era, though with a futuristic space-military aesthetic.

As hinted at earlier, this match has a ton of Ultra cameos, both physically shown and implied! Whilst at the Defence Force meeting Xenon, Max, Powered, Great, the Ultra Force, Seven 21, Sora, Zero, Taiga, and Z have speaking lines or are mentioned, you can take it from the author that others including Neos and Ribut were in attendance. Also in this scene, we hear about the New Gen Heroes (which we'll get to), the Tri-Squad (Titas and Fuma) and Planet U40, pretty much referencing Joneus getting involved. During the climax as Mebius Infinity destroys Eva-13, the Heisei Ultras are all referenced. We get to see Tiga, Dyna, Gaia and Agul, Cosmos and Justice, and then Noa/Nexus respectively. And finally, during Mebius's knighting ceremony, it's mentioned that Ultras from various universes attend appearing as young men. These are Zero taking on Leito's form, Hikaru/Ginga, Sho/Victory, Daichi/X, Gai/Orb, Riku/Geed, Katsumi/Rosso, Isami/Blu, and Asahi/Grigio (I know it wasn't mentioned there was a woman too but you can't have only 2 of the 3 siblings, right?), Taiga taking on Hiroyuki's form and Z taking on Haruki's form.

Misato and Mebius's romance was... actually unintentional, something that just naturally formed as I wrote. Their love for each other is so pure, it really should transcend what we'd consider normal love. I mean, being an Ultra host must do something to the brain, right? Shinji and Asuka getting together is something I've been waiting for since NGE, and it's never actually happened in any official media, so why not! Everyone gets a happy ending, well, except Fuyutsuki... and Ritsuko and Kaji.

Most of all, this entire series was conceived as a crossover between my two favourite shows of all time, as well as my favourite characters from those shows respectively. I just wanted to see Mebius and Misato interact, and to have that small wish turn into a trilogy of beloved KWCE matches, it's just phenomenal.
Now that this monumental endeavour is done, I can move onto other things. But... in case I ever pick this continuity up again, don't expect another KWCE. You'll probably find it in the Fanfiction section, basically a side trip.
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Voyager wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:50 pm 11 Ultra Brothers vs. Alien Mefilas, Gymaira, Dinozaur & Eva-13

A lot to cover here, so let's do it!
Spoiler:
If you've been following my activity on this subforum for a while, you could guess this story was going to be a lot different to how it turned out. It was just meant to be an epilogue that would have been roughly the same as what we got - Mefilas tries once more to take over (with kind of the same attitude), has a scuffle with our main trio before Mebius returns and bonds with Misato once more to fight Mefilas! No Ultraman Hikari or any of the other UB, and certainly no Gymaira, Dinozaur or Eva 13. It would have ended with Mebius straight up killing Mefilas, although Mefilas expresses regret as he dies, and then goodbyes.

Eventually, one by one, new elements kept getting added. Hikari and Gymaira were next, and at about that time, strangely enough, the Mantle Ceremony came about this early on in planning. It's just a thing I wanted to see since Zero and Z have capes but Mebius doesn't. Interestingly, I was going to have pretty much every Ultraman appear at the ceremony, which is carried on (kinda?) as I'll explain. Anyways, the Ultra Brothers were added soon after and with that the Dinozaur. The match was going to end after Mefilas was beat and the Dinozaur eliminated, but I just wanted to spice it up that extra bit, and thank God I did. Evangelion-13 drastically shifted the match, and I think without its presence, the match would have turned out a lot differently. The stakes were made so much higher and we got tons of great moments out of it.

So, with all the pieces in place, we can (not) look at the trivia!

This match (and the greater trilogy as a whole) takes place in the unspecific 'years following Ultra Galaxy Fight: The Destined Crossroad'. We haven't really seen much of the main universe since then, so it's not intrusive on the canon. If I had to give it a specific time, I'd probably say concurrent with the events of Ultraman Arc or a little afterwards, albeit in a different universe.

I said in the trivia for last match that Mefilas was kinda sorta maybe implied to be the '66 incarnation directly, but this match confirms that he is his own individual with his own history. Though, connecting him to the OG Mefilas through idolisation was still added to connect the two. A weird inspiration I actually had with Mefilas in this match, particularly his more bestial and violent side, was Anastasia's Rasputin.

I can't remember if I ever mentioned this, but Toji Suzuhara's distinct kansai accent is based on his characterisation from the slice of life doujinshi Shinji Ikari Raising Project. I think giving him an accent fits his character well and sets him apart from Shinji and Kensuke rather than just being another teenage boy.

Hikari references Jiro Sakata from Return of Ultraman during the house gathering scene.

The Land of Light and their customs are very much inspired by the Christian Knights of the medieval era, though with a futuristic space-military aesthetic.

As hinted at earlier, this match has a ton of Ultra cameos, both physically shown and implied! Whilst at the Defence Force meeting Xenon, Max, Powered, Great, the Ultra Force, Seven 21, Sora, Zero, Taiga, and Z have speaking lines or are mentioned, you can take it from the author that others including Neos and Ribut were in attendance. Also in this scene, we hear about the New Gen Heroes (which we'll get to), the Tri-Squad (Titas and Fuma) and Planet U40, pretty much referencing Joneus getting involved. During the climax as Mebius Infinity destroys Eva-13, the Heisei Ultras are all referenced. We get to see Tiga, Dyna, Gaia and Agul, Cosmos and Justice, and then Noa/Nexus respectively. And finally, during Mebius's knighting ceremony, it's mentioned that Ultras from various universes attend appearing as young men. These are Zero taking on Leito's form, Hikaru/Ginga, Sho/Victory, Daichi/X, Gai/Orb, Riku/Geed, Katsumi/Rosso, Isami/Blu, and Asahi/Grigio (I know it wasn't mentioned there was a woman too but you can't have only 2 of the 3 siblings, right?), Taiga taking on Hiroyuki's form and Z taking on Haruki's form.

Misato and Mebius's romance was... actually unintentional, something that just naturally formed as I wrote. Their love for each other is so pure, it really should transcend what we'd consider normal love. I mean, being an Ultra host must do something to the brain, right? Shinji and Asuka getting together is something I've been waiting for since NGE, and it's never actually happened in any official media, so why not! Everyone gets a happy ending, well, except Fuyutsuki... and Ritsuko and Kaji.

Most of all, this entire series was conceived as a crossover between my two favourite shows of all time, as well as my favourite characters from those shows respectively. I just wanted to see Mebius and Misato interact, and to have that small wish turn into a trilogy of beloved KWCE matches, it's just phenomenal.
Now that this monumental endeavour is done, I can move onto other things. But... in case I ever pick this continuity up again, don't expect another KWCE. You'll probably find it in the Fanfiction section, basically a side trip.
It was an absolute blast to read, and the fact it started as simply a crossover fic is incredible. Hats off to you for making a beautifully well-constructed match, and I can't wait to see more of what you create!

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Welp, it’s been long enough. Trivia Lightning Round!

Andross vs King Ghidorah (Showa)
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-There are a TON of references to Star Fox as a franchise in this, from smaller characters like Caiman and his superior, to even naming the specific enemy Andross ships. I’ve loved the franchise for a while, and seeing cool fan works like Event Horizon and especially A Fox In Space gave me the motivation to get this thing out as the first match of the new era.

-The part where King Ghidorah rips open a ship and watches as its crew dies in space is based on one of my biggest personal fears that’ll probably never happen: dying by being exposed to space, freezing, burning and suffocating at the same time. It’s up there as one of my worst possible ways for someone to die, though it thankfully has never happened yet. I hated how all three Guardians Of The Galaxy movies found ways to incorporate it, and yet I had to incorporate it in here. Don’t say I’ve never done anything for you.

-I’m gonna be real with y’all, I hadn’t even watched Shin Ultraman before adding Mefilas to the cliffhanger at the end of this one, I just thought he looked and sounded cool and figured I’d watch the movie later to put together his entire deal. Now that he’s been expanded, if I ever do get around to making that sequel I’ll be sure to do him justice.
Guzzlord vs Godzilla (2001)
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-This was the first match I ever started writing for the KWCE! I got the idea of GMK Goji being powered by the ghosts of Lavender Town, and needed a suitable conflict for him to exist in the typically upbeat world of Pokemon. Thus, I got the idea of the kaiju rising and the resulting war with the Ultra Beasts, since the Alola games were my favorite of the franchise for the longest time.

-As some could have likely caught by now, Godzilla being left alone and cold on the abandoned planet was a reference to Hulk: The End.
Mount Lady vs Giganta
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-Sadly, I feel like this one wasn’t really my best work. I kinda had to rush it out in time for Halloween, finishing it over the course of a couple days when my planned match for the holiday couldn’t make the date. That being said, I’m glad to see the positive reactions to it.

-Having read all of the DCeased books, I was glad to be able to incorporate it into the KWC and debut a combatant in an unorthodox way, especially since there is basis for the Anti-Life Virus being unable to infect other kinds of undead like Solomon Grundy.

-Mount Lady having ZQN and turning into a shambling mess of her former self, making a “sexy” pose while rotting, was unintentionally the thesis statement of what I felt like doing with this match: take a fanservicey premise like “Big Lady vs Big Lady” and twist it on its head by having them both be shambling wrecks. In practice, it might be the most pointlessly edgy thing I’ve ever written for the KWCE, but it at least gives the fight something more memorable beyond the gore and tragedy of seeing these two fall so low. If I wrote it now and had way more time, I’d probably focus heavily on the characters and less on the gore and shock value.
Indominus Rex vs The Agony
Spoiler:
-I wrote this match over the course of two days in a fugue state of desire to get something out while me and another writer work on Age Of The Overlord. Frankly, while I do still want that match to come out great, I do regret promising it would be my absolute next match. I feel like that really restricted me in terms of what I wanted to do when I got an idea with the KWCE, especially with my desire to keep it alive. Unlike another match written while under a time constraint, I actually am proud of this one!

-The main idea of this match came from how weirdly similar the themes of the FNAF and Jurassic Park franchises are when you really think about it. Two companies tampering with the laws of nature and having their reputations forever tainted by the deaths caused under their watch. Only difference is, while Fazbear Entertainment does more realistically scummy things under the shadow of one child killing lunatic, InGen’s crooked all the way through. It’s an interesting dichotomy you can see me explore here.

-Yes, Blue’s death was a reference to the iconic Bite Of ‘83 sequence from FNAF 4. I couldn’t resist.

-The Indominus depicted in this match is given the design of Level 40 Indominus from the Jurassic World mobile game. I just think it looks cool, nothing more than that.
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