Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

[miguelnuva]

Aren't their big movie studios popping up in toher parts of Asia? I think someone mentioned Thailand before but I could see Toho trying to lend Godzilla to another eastern studio before they stop making eastern Godzilla films again.

As said the MV is free money for them and they want Godzilla to be larger than ever.

[edgaguirus]

Toho's expanding presence and success with their previous Godzilla films indicate they're on a good financial track so far. I know they're not going to repeat the Showa formula of churning out films every year. Instead, I see them working on their international presence and quality Godzilla pictures.

[Legion1979]

...and if history is anything to go on I give it two films before the box office dips and Toho panic retires Godzilla again.

After all the money Toho invested for global marketing and merchandising I doubt that'd be a financially sound option for them right now.

Never underestimate Toho.

[Jomei]

Aren't their big movie studios popping up in toher parts of Asia? I think someone mentioned Thailand before but I could see Toho trying to lend Godzilla to another eastern studio before they stop making eastern Godzilla films again.

lmao

Dude, there is no way in Hell Toho is going to let some other random Asian country handle their most iconic character, a veritable symbol of Japanese culture.

[LSD Jellyfish]

^Agreed, although they’re clearly open to allowing collaboration in terms of short films and promotional marketing. See the recent “Godzilla in SE” thing.

The other thing..what is to gain? What about Thailand (or any other Asian country) connects it to Godzilla? One could argue that it’s a bit strange to have America create Godzilla films, but given the overlap of the atomic age, the long crossover and influence of American culture into Godzilla (King Kong/various actors), and the obvious fact that there’s many Godzilla fans in America, it makes sense.

Thailand? Nice place, but I don’t foresee why Toho has anything to ultimately gain by passing on their prestigious icon to another country. The elephant in the room is a lot of “tensions” between Asian countries as well (not just Japan), which I don’t think people in America/on here are really aware of.

[Voyager]

Not to mention Thailand doesn't have the best track record of handling iconic Japanese characters

[Kagutaba]

...and if history is anything to go on I give it two films before the box office dips and Toho panic retires Godzilla again.

After all the money Toho invested for global marketing and merchandising I doubt that'd be a financially sound option for them right now.

Never underestimate Toho.

Stupid is as stupid does I suppose.

[edgaguirus]

Not to mention Thailand doesn't have the best track record of handling iconic Japanese characters

The Hanuman crossovers with Ultraman and Kamen Rider show that.

[Al Diplodocus]

I think Toho's stioulation that Godzilla can never lose in a straight fight in crossovers limits potential an maked him boring an insecure.

[LSD Jellyfish]

I think Toho's stioulation that Godzilla can never lose in a straight fight in crossovers limits potential an maked him boring an insecure.

I don’t know if this is true, and if it was there’s a high chance it changed.

[JAGzilla]

If you count the MV as a crossover, it already changed: Kong punched Godzilla out in GxK.

[Jomei]

Godzilla often goes temporarily down for the count but then Hulks up and lands the leg drop.

The vs Ghidorah Monsterverse fight is an even more decisive defeat that gets reversed by the end of the movie, and Godzilla needed some Mothra ex Machina to pull it off.

[Mechagigan]

I'm very wary of those "Toho rules" that have been floating around for a year or so, they just seem untrue. Not to act like Toho is the greatest, or shouldn't get reasonably dogged on, but it seems like the usual fandom behavior of being a bit negative toward the company, ykwim?

[MC_Lovecraft]

I'm very wary of those "Toho rules" that have been floating around for a year or so, they just seem untrue. Not to act like Toho is the greatest, or shouldn't get reasonably dogged on, but it seems like the usual fandom behavior of being a bit negative toward the company, ykwim?

I think the Toho Rules are perfect example of what's sometimes referred to as "common knowledge". Stuff that's rumored or confused gets picked up and repeated by so many people that it becomes accepted as the truth by large sections of whatever fandom is involved, regardless of actual facts. Now obviously Toho has some best practices, but the way "The Toho Rules" get cited by certain people whenever anything they don't like happens in a Godzilla movie is kind of telling.

[edgaguirus]

As far as I've heard, there's no rule about Godzilla losing a fight.

From a story telling standpoint, having Godzilla struggle against an opponent, and then somehow gain the win makes the narrative more interesting.

[LSD Jellyfish]

I'm very wary of those "Toho rules" that have been floating around for a year or so, they just seem untrue. Not to act like Toho is the greatest, or shouldn't get reasonably dogged on, but it seems like the usual fandom behavior of being a bit negative toward the company, ykwim?

I highly suspect that Toho’s rules are incredibly fluid, and change depending on who is talking at the time. I can find examples where the rules were bent.

Anyways, I recommend reading this thread, which has an AMA by Jake Williams. He briefly does go over these rules, but a lot of the restrictions seem to be less about plot stuff, and more specific design choices:
viewtopic.php?p=2022272#p2022272

I don’t know where this idea that Godzilla can’t lose comes from though. It’s just flat out wrong. Maybe a better idea is that Godzilla can be defeated, but not just lose. That would make sense. Imagine something like a comic that just features Kamacuras beating Godzilla.