Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

[LegendZilla]

Since someone suggested the Azumi royal family could have Venusian ancestry, then perhaps Ceasar himself could've been created using Venusian tech.

[Kagutaba]

Wouldn't that just suck the cultural significance of King Caesar?

[edgaguirus]

According to legend, a king received a Shisa amulet as a gift. When visiting a village, a dragon attacked. The king was told to face the dragon with the amulet, and he held it before the dragon. A great roar was heard, and a huge boulder fell from the sky onto the dragon, trapping and killing it. I'm not sure how to get KC and Venus from that unless you tie in the alien astronaut theory, with the boulder being a meteor, and KC being made with pieces from that meteor.

[LSD Jellyfish]

Since someone suggested the Azumi royal family could have Venusian ancestry, then perhaps Ceasar himself could've been created using Venusian tech.

Julius Caesar? An alien robot? Now there’s something you don’t hear everyday.

As pointed out by others, this would be a weirdly culturally insensitive thing to add, that would add nothing to the film. For all of King Shisa’s faults in the narrative, he’s as of now a pretty unique monster in the Godzilla series. Robots are a dime a dozen, but ferocious golems? The only thing that comes close is Daiei’s Daimajin and that’s still pretty different.

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It literally has nothing to do with what ever fake edgy bullshit you’re going on about. It was a rights thing. Bear has spoken about this on podcasts.

I don’t know man, but worshiping at the altar of every new and Japanese vs. that fake edgy comment in relation to a western take just strikes me as gatekeeping and sort of cultural fetishism/exoticism.

I didn’t know the lyrics couldn’t be included over a rights issue. Thank you for the correction.

The “the fake edgy” comment was a poor way of saying that (in my opinion) that the MV seem(ed) scared to embrace the more fantastical elements of the franchise, and tries to balance it out with serious emotion. However, as I write this, I realize this is sort of stupid and recant my comments.

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Godzilla and King Caesar don't interact much outside a couple frames

Oof yeah. I never even considered it, but this right here, more than powers or anything, really is why we never see the monster remembered as an ally for Godzilla. Rodan, Angurius, Mothra, JJ, and now Kong, are some of the few monsters that have actually shared screen time with Godzilla for more than a few seconds.

[LegendZilla]

Since someone suggested the Azumi royal family could have Venusian ancestry, then perhaps Ceasar himself could've been created using Venusian tech.

Julius Caesar? An alien robot? Now there’s something you don’t hear everyday.

As pointed out by others, this would be a weirdly culturally insensitive thing to add, that would add nothing to the film.

Nothing's wrong with having a headcanon. Doesn't have to be stated outright in a film.

[Legion1979]

Since someone suggested the Azumi royal family could have Venusian ancestry, then perhaps Ceasar himself could've been created using Venusian tech.

Julius Caesar? An alien robot? Now there’s something you don’t hear everyday.

As pointed out by others, this would be a weirdly culturally insensitive thing to add, that would add nothing to the film.

Nothing's wrong with having a headcanon. Doesn't have to be stated outright in a film.

Take a break from saying things, please.

[Voyager]

Julius Caesar? An alien robot? Now there’s something you don’t hear everyday.

As pointed out by others, this would be a weirdly culturally insensitive thing to add, that would add nothing to the film.

Nothing's wrong with having a headcanon. Doesn't have to be stated outright in a film.

Take a break from saying things, please.

I’ll second that

Ah, don’t worry LZ, we love you and the things you say.

[Kagutaba]

Don't encourage him, it's annoying and I assume the mods are tired of the unironic shitposting as well.

[edgaguirus]

To change the subject then...

I am curious as to why the aliens are interested in the statue before our characters know about the prophecy. As our pretty archeologist deciphers the mural, she's being watched by the alien agent, which seems to indicate they knew something about that statue before she did. I find it curious they'd watch her just because she found an old statue in an ancient shrine, but I suppose it helps establish the statue's importance to the story early on.

[SpiderZilla]

I am curious as to why the aliens are interested in the statue before our characters know about the prophecy. As our pretty archeologist deciphers the mural, she's being watched by the alien agent, which seems to indicate they knew something about that statue before she did. I find it curious they'd watch her just because she found an old statue in an ancient shrine, but I suppose it helps establish the statue's importance to the story early on.

My head cannon is that the aliens had their own prophecy of the battle and were pro-actively working to prevent it from coming true.

[Kagutaba]

To change the subject then...

I am curious as to why the aliens are interested in the statue before our characters know about the prophecy. As our pretty archeologist deciphers the mural, she's being watched by the alien agent, which seems to indicate they knew something about that statue before she did. I find it curious they'd watch her just because she found an old statue in an ancient shrine, but I suppose it helps establish the statue's importance to the story early on.

I always assumed upon setting up base in Okinawa they had spy's who learned of the prophecy and searched for the statue before our heroes unearthed it.

[Breakdown]

Back to the King Caesar discussion, he's unironically one of my top 5 favorite kaiju in the franchise. He's unique in that he's a mammalian monster AND he's a golem. What's more is that he is based on a real-world legend, something not many other kaiju can claim.

I hate this perception of him being a coward or weak. He pretty easily had the upper hand in melee combat against MechaGodzilla, who earlier was punting Anguirus around like a football and fought Godzilla to a standstill while disguised. He only started losing when MechaGodzilla wisely changed tactics and used a weapon King Caesar had zero counter to. Most other monsters of the Showa era wouldn't have fared anywhere near as well in a 1 on 1 against MG.

Him hiding behind cover is literally what you're supposed to do when you're being shot at. Clearly the missiles were not fun for him to get hit by, so why would he just stand there and take it?? That would be like if you were in a gunfight and you just stood there and let yourself get shot lol.


TL:DR King Caesar is based. Put some respect on my boy's name.

[edgaguirus]

In a roster dominated by prehistoric beasts, aliens, and oversized animals, KC does stand out. His cultural relevance elevates him as a character. He also has a good design.