The "GxK 3/Monsterverse 6" News, Discussion & Speculation Thread

[miguelnuva]

I was just trying to make the point that "power level" has nothing to do with why Rodan's popularity has declined in the past 50 years...

But in regards to Mothra, she has absolutely not beaten Godzilla and Ghidorah on the regular. Both Godzilla and Ghidorah have vaporized her; Godzilla has done so twice. Mothra's two true victories over Godzilla have been hard-earned verging on pyrrhic. In 64, the twin larvae manage to subdue Godzilla via clever teamwork, and we learn one of them died of its injuries (presumably the one that got tail-thrashed repeatedly). And this is after the adult Mothra perished fighting Godzilla. In 92, Mothra and Battra manage to overpower Godzilla together, but Battra dies in the process. Mothra's victories against other kaiju like Gigan '04 and Rodan '19 have also come at a high cost. Mothra is not a powerful kaiju unless we're talking Mothra Leo, who is usually treated as a separate character - and no one is arguing about that fucker being a god-tier threat.

And before any of this gets misinterpreted as "this guy hates Mothra" - I like Mothra a hell of a lot, in large part BECAUSE she's an underdog who never gives up when facing down kaiju she has no chance against. I think that has endeared the character to a lot of fans. If we only cared about power levels, kaiju like SpaceGodzilla and Destoroyah would be in the Big Five.

I only brought up power levels because as I said Rodan has done nothing differently from the Showa series than the other Big 5 other than he has no longer fought Godzilla on even ground. If you want to argue that Mothra, MechaG and Ghidorah have co started Godzilla I would argue Rodan has never done that other than he had a Solo film back in the day. I don't know how his popularity is in Japan but he is one of the few kaiju to get a new incarnation every time Godzilla does, he's in almost all Godzilla media, he made it to the Monsterverse and now a DC comic.

Mothra beat Godzilla in 64, in 92 and in 03. I'm going off who won at the end of the films regardless of death. Mothra has stopped Godzilla period. As for Leo I was counting him in Mothra's victory count but like I said no one wants to talk about power levels.

[Kaijucifer]

I was just trying to make the point that "power level" has nothing to do with why Rodan's popularity has declined in the past 50 years...

But in regards to Mothra, she has absolutely not beaten Godzilla and Ghidorah on the regular. Both Godzilla and Ghidorah have vaporized her; Godzilla has done so twice. Mothra's two true victories over Godzilla have been hard-earned verging on pyrrhic. In 64, the twin larvae manage to subdue Godzilla via clever teamwork, and we learn one of them died of its injuries (presumably the one that got tail-thrashed repeatedly). And this is after the adult Mothra perished fighting Godzilla. In 92, Mothra and Battra manage to overpower Godzilla together, but Battra dies in the process. Mothra's victories against other kaiju like Gigan '04 and Rodan '19 have also come at a high cost. Mothra is not a powerful kaiju unless we're talking Mothra Leo, who is usually treated as a separate character - and no one is arguing about that fucker being a god-tier threat.

And before any of this gets misinterpreted as "this guy hates Mothra" - I like Mothra a hell of a lot, in large part BECAUSE she's an underdog who never gives up when facing down kaiju she has no chance against. I think that has endeared the character to a lot of fans. If we only cared about power levels, kaiju like SpaceGodzilla and Destoroyah would be in the Big Five.

1964. She and her larvae defeated Godzilla outright. 1966. She defeated Godzilla who challenged her outright. 1992. She defeated Godzilla with help from Battra. 2003. Her and her Larvae weakened and assisted in the defeat of Godzilla outright. Went on to her own trilogy and spawned her strongest incarnation, Mothra Leo. 2024. She briefly overpowered Godzilla to save Kong. And also disrupted Shimo's breath, something he could only do using his full power breath. She is on par with him in power solely by K/D/W/L ratio rules lol. Relative at the very least. Give Mothra actual abilities suited for combat like they did for Rebirth of Mothra and we will find her remarkably powerful. The fact that she can win against Godzilla at all with her limited power set is a testament to her position in the Big 5, even including power levels and scaling.

[miguelnuva]

I'll just say this

If Toho decided the rest of the Big 4 were getting solo films now coming off minus one if they used the right stroy I don't think they would flop where as if they did something after the Mothra trilogy or Final Wars I think no one would have done good.

Versus say I don't think Angurius vs Krystalak would out too many butts in seats.

[MoonlightSYXXX]

I was just trying to make the point that "power level" has nothing to do with why Rodan's popularity has declined in the past 50 years...

But in regards to Mothra, she has absolutely not beaten Godzilla and Ghidorah on the regular. Both Godzilla and Ghidorah have vaporized her; Godzilla has done so twice. Mothra's two true victories over Godzilla have been hard-earned verging on pyrrhic. In 64, the twin larvae manage to subdue Godzilla via clever teamwork, and we learn one of them died of its injuries (presumably the one that got tail-thrashed repeatedly). And this is after the adult Mothra perished fighting Godzilla. In 92, Mothra and Battra manage to overpower Godzilla together, but Battra dies in the process. Mothra's victories against other kaiju like Gigan '04 and Rodan '19 have also come at a high cost. Mothra is not a powerful kaiju unless we're talking Mothra Leo, who is usually treated as a separate character - and no one is arguing about that fucker being a god-tier threat.

And before any of this gets misinterpreted as "this guy hates Mothra" - I like Mothra a hell of a lot, in large part BECAUSE she's an underdog who never gives up when facing down kaiju she has no chance against. I think that has endeared the character to a lot of fans. If we only cared about power levels, kaiju like SpaceGodzilla and Destoroyah would be in the Big Five.

1964. She and her larvae defeated Godzilla outright. 1966. She defeated Godzilla who challenged her outright. 1992. She defeated Godzilla with help from Battra. 2003. Her and her Larvae weakened and assisted in the defeat of Godzilla outright. Went on to her own trilogy and spawned her strongest incarnation, Mothra Leo. 2024. She briefly overpowered Godzilla to save Kong. And also disrupted Shimo's breath, something he could only do using his full power breath. She is on par with him in power solely by K/D/W/L ratio rules lol. Relative at the very least. Give Mothra actual abilities suited for combat like they did for Rebirth of Mothra and we will find her remarkably powerful. The fact that she can win against Godzilla at all with her limited power set is a testament to her position in the Big 5, even including power levels and scaling.

It's a testament to the whims of screenwriters.

[GojiSquid]

Damn, it almost feels nostalgic seeing a power level argument in a fourum.

[Kaijucifer]

Damn, it almost feels nostalgic seeing a power level argument in a fourum.

B-b-b-baby, y' aint seen nothin yet!
This wasnt much of an argument. Just laying out facts.

[zukzilla]

A live action of Legend of Zelda is going release on same week as GxK sequel. Idk why they would do a live action instead of animation?

[BurningCoolMan]

The legend of Zelda movie is releasing the same day as GxK3, Gxk3 is definitely moving

[zukzilla]

The legend of Zelda movie is releasing the same day as GxK3, Gxk3 is definitely moving

I do agree, I have a strong feeling that Legend of Zelda will be a box office juggernaut and it will steal both sonic and GxK's thunder.

[DynomikeGojira]

Yeah GxK3 is definitely moving probably earlier in March which faired well for Dune 2

[dillonking55]

Yeah GxK3 is definitely moving probably earlier in March which faired well for Dune 2

Yep! That's my guess as well. Assuming Zelda actually makes that release date (they don't even have a cast or production date yet), I could definitely see Legendary/WB pull a Dune: Part 2 & move GxK 3 to March 5th.

Gives them two weeks to themselves til Sonic 4 releases (assuming that doesn't move as well).

[Showa Gyaos]

Release date changes are nothing new, so the next MV film shifting dates would be another Tuesday for this franchise. If Sony wants the Legend of Zelda film to be released in two years, however, this means that casting announcements and filming dates will be announced soon.

I'm not sure how such a film will be received. If this was an animated film project, I'd be more confident in it being a $1 billion grosser.

[Pkmatrix]

I expect Zelda to move. All the buzz around that movie has been horrid, and many are expecting a huge backlash against it.

[zukzilla]

I expect Zelda to move. All the buzz around that movie has been horrid, and many are expecting a huge backlash against it.

What type of backlash we are talking about?

[Showa Gyaos]

I expect Zelda to move. All the buzz around that movie has been horrid, and many are expecting a huge backlash against it.

I'm seeing a mix of anticipation and dread.

It really depends on what the film will look like. If Sony meddles with it, I expect a bad movie overall. It's still too early to tell, though.

[miguelnuva]

I expect Zelda to move. All the buzz around that movie has been horrid, and many are expecting a huge backlash against it.

I'm seeing a mix of anticipation and dread.

It really depends on what the film will look like. If Sony meddles with it, I expect a bad movie overall. It's still too early to tell, though.

If Sony doesn't have this right, Nintendo might pull the plug. The reason it took a second Mario movie to be made after the 80's one is because Nintendo is more protective of their Ip than Toho eith Godzilla.

I don't see Sony being able to rush this.

[GojiSquid]

I have no idea what to expect of Zelda. I like Wes Ball decently well enough, but I don't trust Ari Avad and Sony's track record. I think this being live action will be a bit of a deterrant to many, and I don't think Zelda has the same exact brand power as Mario. I will never understand why Nintendo didn't approach Studio Ghibli about an animated movie, that would generate crazy word of mouth.

If Sputore's film ends up moving tho then eh, oh well.

[Kaijucifer]

The legend of Zelda movie is releasing the same day as GxK3, Gxk3 is definitely moving

I do agree, I have a strong feeling that Legend of Zelda will be a box office juggernaut and it will steal both sonic and GxK's thunder.

I feel the exact opposite way. Sonic 3 made less than 500M. And it had substantial hype. Zelda is not as widely known as Mario or Sonic. Live Action Zelda will be lucky to make close to that. Especially if it gets the hollywood treatment.

[Showa Gyaos]

I expect Zelda to move. All the buzz around that movie has been horrid, and many are expecting a huge backlash against it.

I'm seeing a mix of anticipation and dread.

It really depends on what the film will look like. If Sony meddles with it, I expect a bad movie overall. It's still too early to tell, though.

If Sony doesn't have this right, Nintendo might pull the plug. The reason it took a second Mario movie to be made after the 80's one is because Nintendo is more protective of their Ip than Toho eith Godzilla.

I don't see Sony being able to rush this.

That's why I said it depends on what the film looks like.

I've seen rumors going around that sound unrealistic, but if this film does acquire someone like Tom Holland for the lead role, people will eat it alive if it isn't done correctly. Sorry to say, getting actors like him or Zendaya won't work for this kind of project.

[Mechagigan]

I have faith in Nintendo, if only because they got garbage casting such as Guardians Guy as Mario to work out surprisingly well. The new SMB movie wasn't amazing but it was a lot of fun, and I think they've got a good eye for that. Course I'm far less attached/interested in Zelda, so I dunno. I largely expect it to suck. It's either gonna be Minecraft Movie 2.0, or something like LOTR/Hunger Games, YA-fiction stuff. If it's the latter, I'm sure kids will like it, but the adult Zelda lifers are gonna rage.

It's very sick all 3 movies are Japanese properties, testament to their pop culture presence