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[MC_Lovecraft]

Two important things to keep in mind, and major reasons why I think any kind of military action against Canada is vanishingly unlikely, is Trump's extreme personal cowardice and his bone-deep racism. It's one thing to order the bombing of brown people a million miles away, but fighting people who look "like us" and are from places he's been? I think that's a bridge too far for him.

But here's the thing. Whether Trump does anything or not, he completely FUCKED America's relationship with Canada. We just lost our nearest ally because of Trumps big, fat mouth. The damage is done.

Also, for the seniors in the back...FUCK TRUMP.

Oh, I'm not arguing with that, the last two month's interactions with Canada have been appalling and embarrassing in ways even I never expected. I'm just saying I think he's constitutionally incapable of following up on the rhetorical "centerpiece" of the whole thing. Or at least, I'm really, really hopeful he's constitutionally incapable of it.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

Likewise, CNN and MSNBC won’t shut the fuck up about hating Trump. Media bias is a thing on both sides

“Brainwashed” is an adjective that I could use to describe the extremists on the Left too

Both sides! But what about the Left?!



"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man.

[Mac Daddy MM]

Yeah, it definitely seems like some of you aren't reading, so I'll agree with you there. Some people prefer to sidestep arguments and just try to bait or meme. I guess we'll just come back and see whose way of interpreting things was better at predicting reality in a few months, kind of like the election. Blue wave, blue Pennsylvania, Harris dominating in Iowa, WW3, Canada annexation. Not that it will prompt any self-reflection or revision to prior assumptions. I should change my username to Sisyphus if I'm going to keep posting in this thread.

I mean, Fox News never shuts the fuck up when it comes defending/praising the man so a lot of us are just kind of used to ignoring MAGA bootlicking.

I'm no Fox News watcher, so I'll take your word for it. But I think you (and several others in this thread) have lost the ability to distinguish between a reasoned perspective you don't want to consider and "bootlicking" or "gaslighting."

What you're doing is employing a thought-terminating cliché in the form of an outgroup-delegitimizing epithet. This is a method typical of groups like, say, Scientology. When they encounter someone who questions their beliefs, they are trained to quickly dismiss them with an epithet to invalidate their argument: "Suppressive person." By invoking the term, you free yourself from the need to consider or even read (as you admitted) the opposing point of view. You attack the person instead with a pre-loaded delegitimizing epithet, and now you feel like that person is an enemy simply trying to confuse you or push for evil.

This helps solidify ingroup/outgroup mentality while protecting against and stigmatizing critical thought about the group's beliefs. It shuts down thought before it can begin.

Oooooh. Okay. Well, whatever mental/linguistic gymnastics you're trying to use... All you're doing is coming off as a MAGA bootlicker. Just because you're over here playing Switzerland in WW2 doesn't mean you're helping things at all.

Likewise, CNN and MSNBC won’t shut the fuck up about hating Trump. Media bias is a thing on both sides

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And his army of brainwashed slaves will clap and go along with it.

“Brainwashed” is an adjective that I could use to describe the extremists on the Left too

Reads as:

Trump does/says something truly fucking stupid.
News Places Other Than Fox Report It.
MAGA Bootlickers: HE DIDN'T MEAN IT.
Trump doubles down on his dumbass shit.
News Places Other Than Fox Report It.
MAGA, Fox, Trump: FAKE NEWS!


Sorry Ugly Ogre, you're trying to gaslight a light house.

[Jomei]

I'm no Fox News watcher, so I'll take your word for it. But I think you (and several others in this thread) have lost the ability to distinguish between a reasoned perspective you don't want to consider and "bootlicking" or "gaslighting."

What you're doing is employing a thought-terminating cliché in the form of an outgroup-delegitimizing epithet. This is a method typical of groups like, say, Scientology. When they encounter someone who questions their beliefs, they are trained to quickly dismiss them with an epithet to invalidate their argument: "Suppressive person." By invoking the term, you free yourself from the need to consider or even read (as you admitted) the opposing point of view. You attack the person instead with a pre-loaded delegitimizing epithet, and now you feel like that person is an enemy simply trying to confuse you or push for evil.

This helps solidify ingroup/outgroup mentality while protecting against and stigmatizing critical thought about the group's beliefs. It shuts down thought before it can begin.

Oooooh. Okay. Well, whatever mental/linguistic gymnastics you're trying to use... All you're doing is coming off as a MAGA bootlicker.

Love you, MM. This could not have been a more perfect reply.

I wish you all the best with your thetans.

[Mac Daddy MM]

I'm no Fox News watcher, so I'll take your word for it. But I think you (and several others in this thread) have lost the ability to distinguish between a reasoned perspective you don't want to consider and "bootlicking" or "gaslighting."

What you're doing is employing a thought-terminating cliché in the form of an outgroup-delegitimizing epithet. This is a method typical of groups like, say, Scientology. When they encounter someone who questions their beliefs, they are trained to quickly dismiss them with an epithet to invalidate their argument: "Suppressive person." By invoking the term, you free yourself from the need to consider or even read (as you admitted) the opposing point of view. You attack the person instead with a pre-loaded delegitimizing epithet, and now you feel like that person is an enemy simply trying to confuse you or push for evil.

This helps solidify ingroup/outgroup mentality while protecting against and stigmatizing critical thought about the group's beliefs. It shuts down thought before it can begin.

Oooooh. Okay. Well, whatever mental/linguistic gymnastics you're trying to use... All you're doing is coming off as a MAGA bootlicker.

Love you, MM. This could not have been a more perfect reply.

I wish you all the best with your thetans.

I'm sure you do. Why edit out the comparison of you to Switzerland in WW2 though?

[miguelnuva]

Two important things to keep in mind, and major reasons why I think any kind of military action against Canada is vanishingly unlikely, is Trump's extreme personal cowardice and his bone-deep racism. It's one thing to order the bombing of brown people a million miles away, but fighting people who look "like us" and are from places he's been? I think that's a bridge too far for him.

Attacking Canada I think is still too bold for him but the fact the president keeps threatening it is disturbing which is why I can see why some are afraid.

Him trying an insurrection among other threats is why I don't think anything he says is fully off the table.

[Breakdown]

Almost forgot this.

Likewise, CNN and MSNBC won’t shut the fuck up about hating Trump. Media bias is a thing on both sides

Those hating Trump are doing so because he is genuinely one of the worst human beings to exist. He's a sexual predator with dozens of women having come forward against him. He's trying to bring back Andrew Tate, A CONVICTED SEX TRAFFICER. He's a pedophile who's been on Epstein's plane SEVEN TIMES. He incited an insurrection that got people killed, because he refused to accept the results of the election. He's a warmonger who's threatening to invade countries left and right, despite claiming to be anti-war during the campaign trail. They're not hating on him enough. There is indeed a bias against Republicans, because they've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that their ideas are dogshit and are worthy of nothing but mockery and scorn, let alone the airtime they've been given. Look who your camp idolizes and tell me I'm wrong. The only way you could ever support a man like this is if you're okay with all the things he's done.

[Mac Daddy MM]

Almost forgot this.

Likewise, CNN and MSNBC won’t shut the fuck up about hating Trump. Media bias is a thing on both sides

Those hating Trump are doing so because he is genuinely one of the worst human beings to exist. He's a sexual predator with dozens of women having come forward against him. He's trying to bring back Andrew Tate, A CONVICTED SEX TRAFFICER. He's a pedophile who's been on Epstein's plane SEVEN TIMES. He incited an insurrection that got people killed, because he refused to accept the results of the election. He's a warmonger who's threatening to invade countries left and right, despite claiming to be anti-war during the campaign trail. They're not hating on him enough. There is indeed a bias against Republicans, because they've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that their ideas are dogshit and are worthy of nothing but mockery and scorn, let alone the airtime they've been given. Look who your camp idolizes and tell me I'm wrong. The only way you could ever support a man like this is if you're okay with all the things he's done.

Now, before they can even get a chance to respond, let me do so for them.

Insert this BUT WHAT ABOUT.
Insert that WHAT ABOUT SO AND SO.
Insert something something something democrats.
Insert something something something liberals.
Insert something something something about left wing/media bias against Trump.

Nobody here is saying democrats are perfect. There's stupid ones in that camp too. But how any American can sit there and drool over Trump shouting MAGA while destabilizing the US-led modern world and bending the knee to Putin and co. Ya'll tried throwing in my face I was wrong about the election. As I said, I've been wrong on many things. But in due time, if this all goes the horrible way we fear it is, you'll be wishing I was right originally.

[LegendZilla]

Apparrently there's been major anti-government protests in Serbia and Hungary.

https://apnews.com/article/serbia-prote ... b17aa88163
https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-magyar- ... 49014.html

[JAGzilla]

Trump can be a total piece of shit while still having limits and having method to his madness. And big stupid exaggerated rhetoric has been part of his playbook from the beginning; it's been part of the left's case against him that he never actually built the wall and made Mexico pay for it. He says these over the top things and then something more moderate actually happens.

It is possible to oppose Trump -like I do- without always assuming that the very worst case scenario is always true of him. To be clear, sometimes it is. But sometimes it is just bluster and theatrics and lies. We know this and point it out ourselves all the time.

Those are my two cents. I advise that everyone calm the fuck down and think while still being in opposition to Trump. I will now exit this conversation.

[LegendZilla]

Trump can be a total piece of shit while still having limits and having method to his madness. And big stupid exaggerated rhetoric has been part of his playbook from the beginning; it's been part of the left's case against him that he never actually built the wall and made Mexico pay for it. He says these over the top things and then something more moderate actually happens.

It is possible to oppose Trump -like I do- without always assuming that the very worst case scenario is always true of him. To be clear, sometimes it is. But sometimes it is just bluster and theatrics and lies. We know this and point it out ourselves all the time.

Those are my two cents. I advise that everyone calm the fuck down and think while still being in opposition to Trump. I will now exit this conversation.

I can't help but vent in anxiety almost every day. Up here in Canada we risk our very sovereignity over our choice of groceries of all things.

[LSD Jellyfish]

Trump can be a total piece of shit while still having limits and having method to his madness. And big stupid exaggerated rhetoric has been part of his playbook from the beginning; it's been part of the left's case against him that he never actually built the wall and made Mexico pay for it. He says these over the top things and then something more moderate actually happens.

It is possible to oppose Trump -like I do- without always assuming that the very worst case scenario is always true of him. To be clear, sometimes it is. But sometimes it is just bluster and theatrics and lies. We know this and point it out ourselves all the time.

Those are my two cents. I advise that everyone calm the fuck down and think while still being in opposition to Trump. I will now exit this conversation.

This sums up exactly how I feel on him.

[John Pannozzi]

Trump can be a total piece of shit while still having limits and having method to his madness. And big stupid exaggerated rhetoric has been part of his playbook from the beginning; it's been part of the left's case against him that he never actually built the wall and made Mexico pay for it. He says these over the top things and then something more moderate actually happens.

It is possible to oppose Trump -like I do- without always assuming that the very worst case scenario is always true of him. To be clear, sometimes it is. But sometimes it is just bluster and theatrics and lies. We know this and point it out ourselves all the time.

Those are my two cents. I advise that everyone calm the fuck down and think while still being in opposition to Trump. I will now exit this conversation.

This sums up exactly how I feel on him.

Ditto.

[MC_Lovecraft]

I might not think that the crazy stuff Trump says is always going to be the crazy stuff he does, but I can understand where the people who are prophesizing the worst are coming from. A lot of things that everyone had assumed were settled, decided, and would remain so(Roe v Wade first and foremost, but others as well) aren't any more. The Republican Party, either led by or at least represented by the image of Trump, are taking the hammer to nearly edifice of American government, many of which people take for granted, and the Democrats just can't seem for the life of them to be able to present a coherent counter message. It's really no wonder people are feeling like it's all coming down, or about to.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

I might not think that the crazy stuff Trump says is always going to be the crazy stuff he does, but I can understand where the people who are prophesizing the worst are coming from. A lot of things that everyone had assumed were settled, decided, and would remain so(Roe v Wade first and foremost, but others as well) aren't any more. The Republican Party, either led by or at least represented by the image of Trump, are taking the hammer to nearly edifice of American government, many of which people take for granted, and the Democrats just can't seem for the life of them to be able to present a coherent counter message. It's really no wonder people are feeling like it's all coming down, or about to.

The most damning example would probably be Project 2025. All throughout the election season, Trump was all "Never heard of it" and his supporters were all "It's not gonna happen, stop fear-mongering".

Sadly, 2 months into his administration and over 40% of it has already been implemented.

[LegendZilla]

I'm just scared that with Trump in power, everything will be set back 200 years.

[mikelcho]

Almost forgot this.

Likewise, CNN and MSNBC won’t shut the fuck up about hating Trump. Media bias is a thing on both sides

Those hating Trump are doing so because he is genuinely one of the worst human beings to exist. He's a sexual predator with dozens of women having come forward against him. He's trying to bring back Andrew Tate, A CONVICTED SEX TRAFFICER. He's a pedophile who's been on Epstein's plane SEVEN TIMES. He incited an insurrection that got people killed, because he refused to accept the results of the election. He's a warmonger who's threatening to invade countries left and right, despite claiming to be anti-war during the campaign trail. They're not hating on him enough. There is indeed a bias against Republicans, because they've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that their ideas are dogshit and are worthy of nothing but mockery and scorn, let alone the airtime they've been given. Look who your camp idolizes and tell me I'm wrong. The only way you could ever support a man like this is if you're okay with all the things he's done.

I feel that Trump's niece, Mary, who's written three books that mostly deal with both her "Unca Donald" (pun intended) and his family (personally, I can't wait to see what her fourth book about him and his family says (when it's published, as we all know it will be)) is a modern day Cassandra right now (Google the latter woman if you don't know who I'm talking about).

However, the way I see it, Trump will come and go and history will vindicate her in the end.

[Tyrant_Lizard_King]

Keep in mind Trump's first term he had no idea what he was doing and had enough reasonable people in his cabinet to reign in his more outlandish tendencies. Why do you think he fired and replaced so much of his cabinet over his first four years, he was getting tired of being told no and what was or wasn't illegal. Now he's completely surrounded himself with nothing but yes men or people completely indoctrinated into his worldview. Most the Republicans that kept him in control last time have either retired or left the party completely.

[Breakdown]

Keep in mind Trump's first term he had no idea what he was doing and had enough reasonable people in his cabinet to reign in his more outlandish tendencies. Why do you think he fired and replaced so much of his cabinet over his first four years, he was getting tired of being told no and what was or wasn't illegal. Now he's completely surrounded himself with nothing but yes men or people completely indoctrinated into his worldview. Most the Republicans that kept him in control last time have either retired or left the party completely.

This. The Republican party from a decade ago no longer exists. Its is effectively extinct and replaced by MAGA.

[LSD Jellyfish]

^Which is mostly why, I think it’ll all tip over at some point, and there will be a more internal and public rejection of Trump in America. Keep in mind, I’m not talking about the Republican Party magically becoming “never trumpers” or America suddenly becoming radical progressive, but I think it’ll all reach a boiling point, wherein people within the Republican Party will be more critical of Trump.

The other thing, is that we have to assume that although Trump’s current group of yes men appear to be yes men, I’m sure at some point that illusion will shatter. And Trump’s third in command (fourth if we count Musk), is “Little Marco”. Little Marco, for what it’s worth, doesn’t strike me as someone who isn’t an idiot, and Trump actually seems to be relying on him for most of the heavy duty political stuff. My point isn’t to say this with certainty, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Vance and Rubio actually are balancing out Trump, but have learned, to do it privately.

Then there’s also the fact that despite speculation on the Supreme Court being conservative, Amy and Justice Roberts still seem to uphold the law/sense of justice (compared to Clarence Thomas).

Also, there’s already been countless examples of federal workers who voted for trump, only to lose their job. This whole continual ongoing trade war needs to fully unfold, but I’m wondering if corporate America and a bunch of blue collar Americans turn on trump.

Add to that, Trump’s age. Sure, he’s fine now, but who knows if/when dementia/simple old age will set in. Trump can be a miserable, egotistical person, full of hatred, but at various points, if you don’t look at him through the lens that a lot of left-leaning news publications), he can have what appear to be genuine moments of thinking about the American people. What’s dangerous, is when people get very critical of him, in a “nasty” way, and he appears to begin stubbornly arguing/punching down people. Trump is motivated by his ego, and depending on the situation that can be very good or bad.

I’ll reiterate this: I’m not worried about Trump. I’m worried about the politicians after him, of any political belief or spectrum who conduct themselves like Trump, and believe the executive branch is absolute. I’m a firm believer in the balance of power between executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the American government.