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Personally what I'm the most interested in from this release and possible future Heisei/Millenium releases is the new translations/subtitles, the current blu-rays of those eras suffer from "dubtitles" which is annoying.

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^ GMK is the one I'm most anticipating, because the script has quite a bit more depth than your usual entry, and the current dub(titles) dumb the script down and get a few lines totally wrong.

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I'm not interested in upgrading my entire Godzilla collection to 4K. The Blu-rays are mostly good enough. GMK is definitely one of the exceptions I'm prepared to make, though. It really warrants better, accurate subtitles.
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GMK desperately needs a new transfer. The one used on the Blu ray is so soft the whole film looks like it’s out of focus. It’s almost offensively bad.

And that’s saying something considering how bad some of these other Blu-ray era transfers are.

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I'd like a 4k treatment just so each movie could have their own box rather than the weird ass double-feature order they were in.

Oh, and some juicy supplemental shit would be good as well. The behind-the-scenes material for the Heisei and Millennium films have been inexcusably paltry, especially compared to the coverage Showa got.

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canofhumdingers wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:09 am GMK desperately needs a new transfer. The one used on the Blu ray is so soft the whole film looks like it’s out of focus. It’s almost offensively bad.

And that’s saying something considering how bad some of these other Blu-ray era transfers are.
Yes, one of the poorest transfers and translations makes this my most anticipated upgrade.

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Spirit Ghidorah 2010 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:32 pm I'd like a 4k treatment just so each movie could have their own box rather than the weird ass double-feature order they were in.

Oh, and some juicy supplemental shit would be good as well. The behind-the-scenes material for the Heisei and Millennium films have been inexcusably paltry, especially compared to the coverage Showa got.

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For too long, the totally overrated Showa series has been hogging the spotlight, getting the Criterion treatment and their own dedicated 4K UHD remasters while everything else gets scraps and forced to suck on the undersides of their radiators for hydration.

It's long time for the underserved Heisei/Millennium fans to shed the chains of oppression and finally get their due.

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Okay then.

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Showa is definitely overrated on these forums, but Heisei is more popular in Japan. Which is why we receive so many more Heisei action figures than Showa. Showa just got the Criterion treatment since the rights for those films were available or easier to obtain.

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I had a response typed up and posted, but nevermind. Spirit's post is tongue and cheek and in good fun, but Anguirus' post is clearly farming for an angry response.

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I thought Showa was more popular in the west and Heisei is most popular in Japan has been status que for awhile.

I also wouldn't say Showa is overrated at all which is a dicussion for another thread. I do think some fans like to overrated Heisei Godzilla sometimes however.

As somone who still likes the Heisei series when I sit and think about the Showa eras it definetly has more bangers. Now this could be do to having more films but even combining Heisei and Millennium together if I had to watch one series I would pick Showa personally.
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Showa will always be my favorite, because those are the films I watched on TV as a kid in the late 70's and 80's. Heisei has a special place with me, because as a teen, going to conventions, every year I looked forward to getting a bootleg VHS of the "newest" Godzilla film in raw Japanese, no subs, but it was great. Plus the updated FX on those was mind blowing at the time. Millennium was just kind of a retread of Heisei for me. GMK was cool, but the rest was just "New Monster, Mothra, Mechagodzilla, rinse, repeat" . Which is a shame, because I know the production value of those films was probably the highest of any.

But There isn't any film of any era, I flat out hate, the anime trilogy is pretty close, but just because that was such a missed opportunity. I love anime, and it seems the story that was being told prior to everything that happened in the films would have been way better to see onscreen.

I would agree however, there is probably way more merch recently for Heisei and Millennium. Maybe because they are naturally more toyetic? But for what little funds I have, yes Id prefer merch for Showa, because is is to seemingly rare these days.
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I think in some circles dogging on Heisei is pretty popular nowadays, it's become babies first "hot take" on the series, but I digress.
Similair to Supreme, there's no movie in the series I flat out hate and I honestly just want every movie to get the fancy pants blu-ray 4K treatment just so fans new and old alike have easier access to them with the best picture quality and subtitles.

Also if Rodan, War of the Gargantuas and all the other none-Godzilla kaiju films could get new english releases too that would be great.

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Who owns the rights to the U.S. version of Rodan? Toho?

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Its odd that as I've been collecting these films since the days of VHS, I've seen things that were once prominent, become obscure, and vice-versa. Some things come cull circle, and some (sadly) are lost to time. But I've never seen such a quick "flip" if you will, on any other film than WotG. The Saperstein English dub was all that played on TV in the U.S. for nearly 3 decades, and a single release on VHS in the early 90's.

In 2008 we got the Classic Media release (paired with Rodan), that included the Saperstein dub, and Original Japanese version available for the first time in North America. The "frontier dub" was a thing of legend, and on obscure releases from other countries. Now however, just in the last couple of years, since Janus picked up the rights form Toho, the ONLY English dub available on streaming IS the frontier dub, along with the Japanese original....

Now, all of a sudden, the Saperstein version will never been seen on TV again or available for streaming, making those Paramount VHS from the 90's, and 2008 Classic Media Release quite valuable for collectors.
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And sadly, the Fronteir dub is barely watchable.

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Legion1979 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:15 am And sadly, the Fronteir dub is barely watchable.
Agreed. Which makes it all the more odd that Toho allowed Janus to include the Saperstein dub of Monster Zero in their set. Perhaps, Toho themselves never dubbed it, or commissioned a dub? But of course, that didn't stop them from allowing only the Japanese versions of other such films on the Criterion set. I'm just glad we have it.
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o.supreme wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:27 am Agreed. Which makes it all the more odd that Toho allowed Janus to include the Saperstein dub of Monster Zero in their set. Perhaps, Toho themselves never dubbed it, or commissioned a dub? But of course, that didn't stop them from allowing only the Japanese versions of other such films on the Criterion set. I'm just glad we have it.
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You know, I've actually heard that none of that was true but for whatever reason Toho has just accepted the dub as their own over the last few years.

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