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Just got out of Deadpool and Wolverine, it was good. Cameos galore, Ryan Reynolds' charm, Jackman tearing it up as Logan once again. It was fun. Glad I saw it.
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I checked it yesterday as well. It was funny. And there are some moments with a lot of heart. Wolverine steals the show. But it didn't rekindle my interest in the MCU as a whole. Large chunks of the movie just feel like a kid playing with toys in a sandbox. Maybe that's what they were going for. But, apart from a few scenes, there's not much to really sink your teeth into. I would, however, say it's better than the vast majority of blockbusters this decade.
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Trailer for Daredevil: Born Again was just shown at D23.
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It got leaked as well. Looks amazing!Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:23 pm Trailer for Daredevil: Born Again was just shown at D23.
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Saw Deadpool & Wolverine, possibly best movie of the year. Still agreed it didn't rekindle my interest for the MCU, but god I love Wolverine and Deadpool, and the old cameos were amazing. Jennifer Gardner is still a hottie and Wesley Snipes is still a badass.
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I'm trying not to be hyped. I've been disappointed so many times. But it was a good trailer. Certainly it's possible it can be a good show right? It's not futile?Gojira2K wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:29 pmIt got leaked as well. Looks amazing!Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:23 pm Trailer for Daredevil: Born Again was just shown at D23.
Also, I just discovered that Born Again is already renewed for a second season: https://www.superherohype.com/tv/581350 ... n-season-2
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Yeah, I’m the same, but damn does it look good. I’m so happy to see all the main cast back. I really hope it’s good.Maverick Centigrade wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:22 pmI'm trying not to be hyped. I've been disappointed so many times. But it was a good trailer. Certainly it's possible it can be a good show right? It's not futile?Gojira2K wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:29 pmIt got leaked as well. Looks amazing!Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:23 pm Trailer for Daredevil: Born Again was just shown at D23.
Also, I just discovered that Born Again is already renewed for a second season: https://www.superherohype.com/tv/581350 ... n-season-2
So it’s already renewed for Season 2 because when they first announced they were doing a new Daredevil series, it was going to be 18 episodes. Down the line they decided to split them up. But it is good to know that we hopefully won’t have to wait too long for the other half to arrive.
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I recently had a discussion on a completely different forum about the complications of connections between the Disney+ shows and the films, and how much of the Disney+ series are actually "required reading" or "homework", and if they make it harder to follow the film's plots, and put some thought into the situation for myself. I didn't count a lot of the five second cameos, the focus was on plot.
Fwiw, I've seen all Ph4/Ph5 films except Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and Thor: Love and Thunder, and I did watch the initial shows but only made it through Wandavision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki season 1, What If? season 1, Hawkeye and part of Moon Knight.
!! Spoilers for Marvel Ph4 and Ph5 films below !!
I don't believe Black Widow, Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Eternals, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, or Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3. require familiarity with any post-ph3 Marvel projects or Disney+ content to be understood. The only Disney+ connections are scenes from the films being expanded on in She-Hulk: Attorney at Law and the future Ironheart series, and Valentina, who I don't feel really demands you see all of her appearances to understand her any more than Nick Fury's appearances in the first phase.
I did not see Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness or Thor: Love and Thunder as stated above, but aside Wandavision being referenced in the former film and being recapped, it doesn't sound like either film requires any post-ph3 and/or Disney+ content.
Spider-Man: No Way Home does not require any post-ph3 or Disney+ content, although full emotional impact strongly suggests being up to date on seven live-action Spider-Man films and two Avengers films, so it is actually the most continuity-dense ph4 film.
Wandavision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki's first season, and What If?'s first season require no post-ph3 content, though all reference Avengers: Endgame and prior films very openly. They do connect to future shows, but across ph4, none of the films reference the later three series and the only reference is from Wandavision in one film.
Hawkeye is the only TV series to reference a phase five film, Black Widow and does not reference any other ph4 films nor Disney+ series. I also want to mention although it features a character from Daredevil, I hadn't seen the series and it worked fine without knowing that character's history there.
Moon Knight is disconnected from anything else unless something crazy happened in the last couple episodes. I never made it to Ms. Marvel but it seems to not really require knowledge of the other films or Disney+ content, provided you know Captain Marvel exists. Werewolf by Night is a standalone project. The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special mostly works fine with the two films and Avengers: Infinity War, so no ph4 content.
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, for which I only saw one episode, has some connections, not all of which I know, but as far as I can tell, the series itself is not referenced elsewhere; it seems to be a one-way street.
So, ph4 has other issues but nowhere did it seem like the plot for a film explicitly relied on you having watched a full Disney+ TV series, with one film being linked to a specific series.
Jumping on to ph5...
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3. still seemed intended to mostly follow the ph3 films. While Jonathan Mayors' casting as Kang and a post-credits scene creates a sense of connection to the Loki TV series, the specific variant that drives the plot of the film does not require you to have seen the series at all to be followed and can stand on its own. No Disney+ content required, my ruling.
I saw The Marvels without having watched the Ms. Marvel television series it would seem deeply connected to, and having seen Wandavision which introduces Monica Rambeau as an adult, but I really don't think you needed either series to fully understand the plot, no. Monica's plot only requires you to know what you know from the preceding film and a quick recap about her relationship with her mother, so I don't think either Disney+ series is actually required. The post-credits features Kate Bishop, but this isn't part of the film's actual plot.
Deadpool & Wolverine includes the TVA but otherwise has no connections to post-ph3 films. Apparently the B15 character is also from Loki but I never made the connection during the film so I feel it can be safely ignored.
I haven't seen Secret Invasion or Echo and it doesn't look like I've missed out on much besides a character death. The latter seems connected to Hawkeye. I've also not seen Loki's second season or What If's second season so far.
Captain America: Brave New World and Thunderbolts* look to rely on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier which has not been referenced strongly until now, three years later, and you're also expected to have seen Black Widow and Eternals is related to a plot point, but we'll see how much is included in exposition and re-explained to the audience to know how much you actually need homework.
Agatha All Along is a direct sequel to Wandavision following the title character. I've not seen it yet. Daredevil: Born Again, which initially seemed set to be a total reboot, now looks like it will be a soft reboot or continuation of the Netflix series. Ironheart will continue from BP2, I presume.
So, to review a bit, this is what I've mostly found:
That probably sounds like a lot, but notice the first two projects carry a lot of the weight. Loki introduces a major setting element, but most of its events don't need to be known or understood. Sylvie, Mobius, and Loki are not being mentioned elsewhere, and the Kang variant in the film is distinct from that in the series. Most of the BW and F&TWS connections are only coming to pass next year, which will make four years since either project was released and gives plenty of time for someone to have caught up on one show and one movie. The Eternals connection survived the same pass of time. You don't really need the two series to get The Marvels really.
So ultimately out of 25 or so released projects across both phases, only three or four of them have much to do with what is going on the films, and up to the current year, you only really needed to have seen Wandavision, so there's been a four-year gap for a lot of these references. It also seems like only one film from the pre-2025 slate connected explicitly to a Disney+ show. The worst case scenario is you need to have done six projects, four being Disney+ shows, and all but one of these projects is from 2021.
I am sleepy so maybe I missed something here.
Fwiw, I've seen all Ph4/Ph5 films except Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and Thor: Love and Thunder, and I did watch the initial shows but only made it through Wandavision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki season 1, What If? season 1, Hawkeye and part of Moon Knight.
!! Spoilers for Marvel Ph4 and Ph5 films below !!
I don't believe Black Widow, Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Eternals, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, or Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3. require familiarity with any post-ph3 Marvel projects or Disney+ content to be understood. The only Disney+ connections are scenes from the films being expanded on in She-Hulk: Attorney at Law and the future Ironheart series, and Valentina, who I don't feel really demands you see all of her appearances to understand her any more than Nick Fury's appearances in the first phase.
I did not see Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness or Thor: Love and Thunder as stated above, but aside Wandavision being referenced in the former film and being recapped, it doesn't sound like either film requires any post-ph3 and/or Disney+ content.
Spider-Man: No Way Home does not require any post-ph3 or Disney+ content, although full emotional impact strongly suggests being up to date on seven live-action Spider-Man films and two Avengers films, so it is actually the most continuity-dense ph4 film.
Wandavision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki's first season, and What If?'s first season require no post-ph3 content, though all reference Avengers: Endgame and prior films very openly. They do connect to future shows, but across ph4, none of the films reference the later three series and the only reference is from Wandavision in one film.
Hawkeye is the only TV series to reference a phase five film, Black Widow and does not reference any other ph4 films nor Disney+ series. I also want to mention although it features a character from Daredevil, I hadn't seen the series and it worked fine without knowing that character's history there.
Moon Knight is disconnected from anything else unless something crazy happened in the last couple episodes. I never made it to Ms. Marvel but it seems to not really require knowledge of the other films or Disney+ content, provided you know Captain Marvel exists. Werewolf by Night is a standalone project. The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special mostly works fine with the two films and Avengers: Infinity War, so no ph4 content.
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, for which I only saw one episode, has some connections, not all of which I know, but as far as I can tell, the series itself is not referenced elsewhere; it seems to be a one-way street.
So, ph4 has other issues but nowhere did it seem like the plot for a film explicitly relied on you having watched a full Disney+ TV series, with one film being linked to a specific series.
Jumping on to ph5...
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3. still seemed intended to mostly follow the ph3 films. While Jonathan Mayors' casting as Kang and a post-credits scene creates a sense of connection to the Loki TV series, the specific variant that drives the plot of the film does not require you to have seen the series at all to be followed and can stand on its own. No Disney+ content required, my ruling.
I saw The Marvels without having watched the Ms. Marvel television series it would seem deeply connected to, and having seen Wandavision which introduces Monica Rambeau as an adult, but I really don't think you needed either series to fully understand the plot, no. Monica's plot only requires you to know what you know from the preceding film and a quick recap about her relationship with her mother, so I don't think either Disney+ series is actually required. The post-credits features Kate Bishop, but this isn't part of the film's actual plot.
Deadpool & Wolverine includes the TVA but otherwise has no connections to post-ph3 films. Apparently the B15 character is also from Loki but I never made the connection during the film so I feel it can be safely ignored.
I haven't seen Secret Invasion or Echo and it doesn't look like I've missed out on much besides a character death. The latter seems connected to Hawkeye. I've also not seen Loki's second season or What If's second season so far.
Captain America: Brave New World and Thunderbolts* look to rely on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier which has not been referenced strongly until now, three years later, and you're also expected to have seen Black Widow and Eternals is related to a plot point, but we'll see how much is included in exposition and re-explained to the audience to know how much you actually need homework.
Agatha All Along is a direct sequel to Wandavision following the title character. I've not seen it yet. Daredevil: Born Again, which initially seemed set to be a total reboot, now looks like it will be a soft reboot or continuation of the Netflix series. Ironheart will continue from BP2, I presume.
So, to review a bit, this is what I've mostly found:
- Wandavision leads into the events of later projectsDoctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and Agatha All Along while also informing The Marvels.
- Black Widow introduces five characters who appear in future projects (Yelena Belova, Red Guardian/Alexei, Melina, Olga/Taskmaster, Valentina) and connects to Hawkeye in 2021 and Thunderbolts* three years later.
- The Falcon and the Winter Soldier explains how Sam Wilson takes on the role of Captain America, which will be a major focus in Captain America: Brave New World, and introduces Isiah Bradley who will be in the same film, as well as introducing John Walker/USAgent, who will appear in Thunderbolts*.
- Eternals introduces a setting key to Captain America: Brave New World, three years later. We'll see how much needs to be known.
- Loki introduces the TVA and associated characters, who become a key focus in Deadpool & Wolverine three years later, and introduces Kang, who appears in Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.
- Ms. Marvel introduces the character of the same name who appears in The Marvels.
That probably sounds like a lot, but notice the first two projects carry a lot of the weight. Loki introduces a major setting element, but most of its events don't need to be known or understood. Sylvie, Mobius, and Loki are not being mentioned elsewhere, and the Kang variant in the film is distinct from that in the series. Most of the BW and F&TWS connections are only coming to pass next year, which will make four years since either project was released and gives plenty of time for someone to have caught up on one show and one movie. The Eternals connection survived the same pass of time. You don't really need the two series to get The Marvels really.
So ultimately out of 25 or so released projects across both phases, only three or four of them have much to do with what is going on the films, and up to the current year, you only really needed to have seen Wandavision, so there's been a four-year gap for a lot of these references. It also seems like only one film from the pre-2025 slate connected explicitly to a Disney+ show. The worst case scenario is you need to have done six projects, four being Disney+ shows, and all but one of these projects is from 2021.
I am sleepy so maybe I missed something here.
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Endgame is 100% the most protected movie of all time. These comments.... yikes... Nobody can convince me that this isn't the most overrated film of all time
Still don't understand the love for Endgame. Five years later and people are still acting like it's some sort of masterpiece, despite the fact that it has aged like milk
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Like... it seems so difficult to express any sort of disappointment with Endgame without being immediately shot-down, insulted, and labeled a troll. It's so bizarre. Even movies that are ACTUALLY good like Jurassic Park and the original Star Wars trilogy aren't protected like this.
So fucking weird for such a mediocre movie
Endgame is 100% the most protected movie of all time. These comments.... yikes... Nobody can convince me that this isn't the most overrated film of all time
Still don't understand the love for Endgame. Five years later and people are still acting like it's some sort of masterpiece, despite the fact that it has aged like milk
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Like... it seems so difficult to express any sort of disappointment with Endgame without being immediately shot-down, insulted, and labeled a troll. It's so bizarre. Even movies that are ACTUALLY good like Jurassic Park and the original Star Wars trilogy aren't protected like this.
So fucking weird for such a mediocre movie
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Endgame works ok if you're coming immediately off Infinity War. it's certainly not a great movie, maybe not even a very good one. I agree that people saying it's a great movie are huffing some good copium.
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Endgame I won't say is overhyped but it's overrated imo, to me when it first came out becasue Infinity War was so good. I defiantly prefer Infinity War to Endgame.
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Avengers: Endgame is fine. Nobody I know irl likes it much - only one of my friends actually saw it at the theater - so to me there is absolutely zero sense of overhype, and after five years of "THE MCU FUCKING SUCKS" constantly, it's definitely not overhyped for me now.
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