How Could Past Monsters Be Revisited in the Reiwa Era?

[Vakanai]

Minus Goji's regeneration is another reason why I think they should just make a new Godzilla and continuity if they want to do a shared universe/continuity thing again - he'd be too powerful and indestructible against most any threat they could think up. That said, I'm still personally hoping Reiwa just continues to follow Millennium's game plan of largely unconnected films set in their own separate continuities with the exception of the occasional sequel or something. I really don't need to see a line of films with the same Godzilla anymore, outside of possibly television.

I actually would prefer they not do the Millennium 'every movie reboots' tbh

And I would prefer that they do, and I would prefer not getting yet another decade long continuity to follow. We just want different things. But with Legendary continuing to do the long continuity, then if Toho goes the "every movie reboots" route we could both get what we want. You can have your continuity and I can have my different and risky takes.

[ShinGojiX98]

True - but that complicates the process if for every film in the new "era" they need to think up a new way to neutralize his regeneration. Like for one sequel or so it's no biggie. But if they go back to an ongoing continuity like you want? Eventually having to take the regeneration into account every film will become a bad meme of its own. Or the equally lame "plot to take away the power so we can weaken him for the next sequels" thing.

Well not every new movie could be about "find a way to ridde off him once for all". Godzilla and Humans can both be too much focus on facing new threats for fighting each other.

They could - but they could also just as easily not. Why specifically do they need to or should they? Doing two extremely wild takes has given them two widely acclaimed hits, won them awards, and has made them so much money and different brands of merchandise, I mean they're selling both Shin and Minus One merch easily in Japan. Plus there's the fact that, even if I dropped out and won't watch it anymore, they already have an ongoing continuity in the MV so that is already being handled. Do wee need a second ongoing continuity? At that point it feels like continuity for continuity's sake. If a director wants a sequel sure let them make it - but otherwise, let each new director make their own version.

I see your point here. Indeed no one can guarantee them 100% that a sequel will do as well as the "One Shot"'s formula.

I actually would prefer they not do the Millennium 'every movie reboots' tbh

Yeah I too would rather see some Sequel. The idea of constantly getting new versions of Godzilla is nice but sooner or later I end up having enough of that.

They definitely shouldn't be friends. Just allies

Indeed. Especially this version of Godzilla shouldn't turn too nice.

What was the 5th form?

The Humanoid Tail's Creatures that appeared at the end of the Movie. There were some scrapped design for them. In some they look more scary, in others more similar to humanoid aliens and others else even female.

Depends on when the sequel is. I feel like the sequel will probably be in modern times for Godzilla to regenerate.

I'd love MechaG to return but as an AI without a pilot

Well I think it could depend by how much fast would be Godzilla's regeneration. There were those who think Godzilla would even a new look after the return or that there can be more than a Godzilla cause the flesh's pieces.

I believe that MG would have a pilot if he would be the "good guy" of the situation. If instead it would a more antagonist like figure then could have the AI.

possibly ya. maybe they battled Godzilla in the past.

Many monsters could be portrayed as ancient creatures that Godzilla already face in past, even if MV seem already take this topic as one of the main focus for their storylines.

[Vakanai]

Well not every new movie could be about "find a way to ridde off him once for all". Godzilla and Humans can both be too much focus on facing new threats for fighting each other. ]

True - but it still seems easier to just start fresh with a new Godzilla. Like I get the sense that the biggest reasons people want this Godzilla to be "the one" going forward is to just avoid another new take, and because they love this design. To me, personally, I just don't think those are good reasons.

I see your point here. Indeed no one can guarantee them 100% that a sequel will do as well as the "One Shot"'s formula.

Thank you.

Yeah I too would rather see some Sequel. The idea of constantly getting new versions of Godzilla is nice but sooner or later I end up having enough of that.

But we've only gotten 2 new versions of Godzilla (no, I don't count the anime), plus we've got Legendary doing the "sequel" thing. Toho might need to settle on a "main" Godzilla again eventually, but there's no reason it needs to be now and with Minus Goji. We can easily handle at least one or two more takes.

[MVHutch]

And I would prefer that they do, and I would prefer not getting yet another decade long continuity to follow. We just want different things. But with Legendary continuing to do the long continuity, then if Toho goes the "every movie reboots" route we could both get what we want. You can have your continuity and I can have my different and risky takes.

Since when did continuity equal not risky? It's not that binary

Well not every new movie could be about "find a way to ridde off him once for all". Godzilla and Humans can both be too much focus on facing new threats for fighting each other.

This exactly. At some point that becomes the opposite of risky

Yeah I too would rather see some Sequel. The idea of constantly getting new versions of Godzilla is nice but sooner or later I end up having enough of that.

This again! I definitely agree

Indeed. Especially this version of Godzilla shouldn't turn too nice.

Ya just 'enemy of my enemy' type of relationship

The Humanoid Tail's Creatures that appeared at the end of the Movie. There were some scrapped design for them. In some they look more scary, in others more similar to humanoid aliens and others else even female.

Wow, that could've been cool to see

Well I think it could depend by how much fast would be Godzilla's regeneration. There were those who think Godzilla would even a new look after the return or that there can be more than a Godzilla cause the flesh's pieces.

I'd be down for a movie with 2 Godzillas. I guess I just prefer the series continue into the modern era

I believe that MG would have a pilot if he would be the "good guy" of the situation. If instead it would a more antagonist like figure then could have the AI.

I think he can be an AI either way

Many monsters could be portrayed as ancient creatures that Godzilla already face in past, even if MV seem already take this topic as one of the main focus for their storylines.

ya it's not exactly a novel take but Toho can make it's own spin on it. Even Rodan and Anguirus already were that in the Japanese movies

[Vakanai]

Since when did continuity equal not risky? It's not that binary

It's not, but still the riskiest takes on Godzilla and ideas have not been part of an ongoing continuity. GMK gave us a paranormal Godzilla full of ghosts and a heroic King Ghidorah. The Kiryu duology had 54 Gojira possess Mechagodzilla. Shin Godzilla gave us a strange split jawed charred evolving Godzilla. Minus One gave us a reboot period piece movie set before 54 and with regeneration powers to make Deadpool and Logan blush. Do you really think we'd have gotten these films if they were all meant as sequels to an ongoing series?

And again, what you're asking for is what the MV is already doing. Right now there's a big spectacle versus ongoing continuity, do we really need two? What harm is there in one of the series being a more experimental anthology? It seems like the biggest push for Minus Godzilla being the start of a new ongoing is just a simple preference for ongoing continuities in general and a love for the -1 design. It's a good design, but I'm not that crazy about it, and my preference is for unique and interesting takes and pushing the boundaries over continuity just for continuity's sake. I'm not against continuity or opposed to an ongoing series, but we've only had 2 live action films in the Reiwa era so far. Surely we can let MV carry on the need for an ongoing universe and let Toho do a few more anthology films in the meanwhile.

[ShinGojiX98]

But we've only gotten 2 new versions of Godzilla (no, I don't count the anime), plus we've got Legendary doing the "sequel" thing. Toho might need to settle on a "main" Godzilla again eventually, but there's no reason it needs to be now and with Minus Goji. We can easily handle at least one or two more takes.

If the new possible takes would be good as much as SG and MO then I would be OK. The problem could be that no one can make sure that new takes would be good as SG and MO. Sooner or later they could end up running off good ideas, and not all the directors are Anno and Yamazaki. I think we shouldn't give for guaranteed that Toho would always be able to make, get closer or exceed the same success of SG and MO.

Ya just 'enemy of my enemy' type of relationship

Yeah, the Minus Goji should have this attitude with basically everyone else considering his attitude and behavior. He should remain aggressive and territorial but should avoid useless fight again the those that can help him, he and the others monsters must be leaved alone and get along only when they must work together.

The Humanoid Tail's Creatures that appeared at the end of the Movie. There were some scrapped design for them. In some they look more scary, in others more similar to humanoid aliens and others else even female.

Wow, that could've been cool to see

Yeah and this is why many people (of course including myself), can't yet get over the fact SG haven't get a Sequel.

Such a pity. Hope one day Anno can return and try to make a Sequel.

I'd be down for a movie with 2 Godzillas. I guess I just prefer the series continue into the modern era

They could do it. If Godzilla doesn't regenerate so fast could be possible he would return in Modern Days. Maybe he could get a change of look that can be justified that the radioactive materials have influenced his regeneration as well and make his body having a sort of further evolution or something.

You know if they want go for Noriko that turn into a Monster then the Sequel shouldn't take place so much time after the previous one I think.

I think he can be an AI either way

Well they can do it in any case, but I would prefer that if he would be AI he must have alien's origins for justify such big advanced tech.

ya it's not exactly a novel take but Toho can make it's own spin on it. Even Rodan and Anguirus already were that in the Japanese movies

Honestly I think that Toho could make their own version of the Skull Island and the Hollow Earth. They could also make a new placed based on them but different.

[MVHutch]

It's not, but still the riskiest takes on Godzilla and ideas have not been part of an ongoing continuity. GMK gave us a paranormal Godzilla full of ghosts and a heroic King Ghidorah. The Kiryu duology had 54 Gojira possess Mechagodzilla. Shin Godzilla gave us a strange split jawed charred evolving Godzilla. Minus One gave us a reboot period piece movie set before 54 and with regeneration powers to make Deadpool and Logan blush. Do you really think we'd have gotten these films if they were all meant as sequels to an ongoing series?

Would we get those exact movies? No. Could we get something comparable? Yes.

And again, what you're asking for is what the MV is already doing. Right now there's a big spectacle versus ongoing continuity, do we really need two? What harm is there in one of the series being a more experimental anthology? It seems like the biggest push for Minus Godzilla being the start of a new ongoing is just a simple preference for ongoing continuities in general and a love for the -1 design. It's a good design, but I'm not that crazy about it, and my preference is for unique and interesting takes and pushing the boundaries over continuity just for continuity's sake. I'm not against continuity or opposed to an ongoing series, but we've only had 2 live action films in the Reiwa era so far. Surely we can let MV carry on the need for an ongoing universe and let Toho do a few more anthology films in the meanwhile.

But I'm not asking for what the MV is doing. "unique" and "interesting" don't mean one movie can't reference the other. I want unique and interesting with continuity. that's not the just the Monsterverse

Yeah, the Minus Goji should have this attitude with basically everyone else considering his attitude and behavior. He should remain aggressive and territorial but should avoid useless fight again the those that can help him, he and the others monsters must be leaved alone and get along only when they must work together.

Yeah and this is why many people (of course including myself), can't yet get over the fact SG haven't get a Sequel.

Such a pity. Hope one day Anno can return and try to make a Sequel.

I wasn't even the biggest Shin fan, but I'd be open to seeing that

They could do it. If Godzilla doesn't regenerate so fast could be possible he would return in Modern Days. Maybe he could get a change of look that can be justified that the radioactive materials have influenced his regeneration as well and make his body having a sort of further evolution or something.

You know if they want go for Noriko that turn into a Monster then the Sequel shouldn't take place so much time after the previous one I think.

I think he can be an AI either way

Well they can do it in any case, but I would prefer that if he would be AI he must have alien's origins for justify such big advanced tech.

ya it's not exactly a novel take but Toho can make it's own spin on it. Even Rodan and Anguirus already were that in the Japanese movies

Honestly I think that Toho could make their own version of the Skull Island and the Hollow Earth. They could also make a new placed based on them but different.
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[MVHutch]

It's not, but still the riskiest takes on Godzilla and ideas have not been part of an ongoing continuity. GMK gave us a paranormal Godzilla full of ghosts and a heroic King Ghidorah. The Kiryu duology had 54 Gojira possess Mechagodzilla. Shin Godzilla gave us a strange split jawed charred evolving Godzilla. Minus One gave us a reboot period piece movie set before 54 and with regeneration powers to make Deadpool and Logan blush. Do you really think we'd have gotten these films if they were all meant as sequels to an ongoing series?

Would we get those exact movies? No. Could we get something comparable? Yes.

And again, what you're asking for is what the MV is already doing. Right now there's a big spectacle versus ongoing continuity, do we really need two? What harm is there in one of the series being a more experimental anthology? It seems like the biggest push for Minus Godzilla being the start of a new ongoing is just a simple preference for ongoing continuities in general and a love for the -1 design. It's a good design, but I'm not that crazy about it, and my preference is for unique and interesting takes and pushing the boundaries over continuity just for continuity's sake. I'm not against continuity or opposed to an ongoing series, but we've only had 2 live action films in the Reiwa era so far. Surely we can let MV carry on the need for an ongoing universe and let Toho do a few more anthology films in the meanwhile.

But I'm not asking for what the MV is doing. "unique" and "interesting" don't mean one movie can't reference the other. I want unique and interesting with continuity. that's not the just the Monsterverse

Yeah, the Minus Goji should have this attitude with basically everyone else considering his attitude and behavior. He should remain aggressive and territorial but should avoid useless fight again the those that can help him, he and the others monsters must be leaved alone and get along only when they must work together.

Yeah and this is why many people (of course including myself), can't yet get over the fact SG haven't get a Sequel.

Such a pity. Hope one day Anno can return and try to make a Sequel.

I wasn't even the biggest Shin fan, but I'd be open to seeing that

They could do it. If Godzilla doesn't regenerate so fast could be possible he would return in Modern Days. Maybe he could get a change of look that can be justified that the radioactive materials have influenced his regeneration as well and make his body having a sort of further evolution or something.

You know if they want go for Noriko that turn into a Monster then the Sequel shouldn't take place so much time after the previous one I think

I think it would also depend on how long it takes for Noriko to become a daikaiju too

Well they can do it in any case, but I would prefer that if he would be AI he must have alien's origins for justify such big advanced tech.

If he was a rudimentary AI humans didn't quite understand how to build, that could actually lead to Kiryu-like problems, which could make MechaG somewhat of a wild card

Honestly I think that Toho could make their own version of the Skull Island and the Hollow Earth. They could also make a new placed based on them but different.

At least do an update version of Infant Island, Monster Island and the Seatopians/Muans

[imposterzilla]

If we do Gemstone, I think MechaG and Titanosaurus.

Mecha G could be easily a nod that Mechagodzlla from 1993 existed or, just to be more subtle, an earlier model. New MechaG has a repair mechanism and an AI to help it fight Godzilla but still needs a pilot. Some of its tech came from pieces of the Gigan Miles and Megalon. Have an injured soldier be it's pilot and his anger and angst turns MechaG into a rampaging monster. Somehow Goji damages it's head and blasts it's body to pieces, but pilot ejects and realizes what man has done. mechaG's head is recovered but the eyes flicker to life after credits.

Next story would be weeks later and Godzilla lands in a beach town at night and finds another monster-Titanosaurus. Plot twist: A young lady who was the daughter of a local deceased marine biologist has a link to this creature and she has known it since she was a child. Titano battles Goji because she views him as a threat. More spinosaur in the design and more hunched over, plus I would give Titano more sonic powers. The battle is at a near dead heat, but then they are more attacked by an almost fully repaired Mecha G.

That's how I would do that.

[ShinGojiX98]

I think it would also depend on how long it takes for Noriko to become a daikaiju too

Maybe once Godzilla totally return she would turn into a Monster herself. Maybe they could have a connection since now they share some cells.

If he was a rudimentary AI humans didn't quite understand how to build, that could actually lead to Kiryu-like problems, which could make MechaG somewhat of a wild card

I can see that happening. At end of day MG could become a bigger threat than Goji itself.

At least do an update version of Infant Island, Monster Island and the Seatopians/Muans

They could try with that. Maybe some kind of new humanoid race would try take over the world thanks their own Monsters and so Goji and Humans must work together.

If we do Gemstone, I think MechaG and Titanosaurus.

Honestly I would have glad if King Ceaser would have worked together with Godzilla for fight they two. Maybe King Ceaser could start as Godzilla's enemy and then they must work together for fight MG and Titanosaurus.

More spinosaur in the design and more hunched over, plus I would give Titano more sonic powers.

I like this idea. I would always wanted a Spinosaurs-like Monster as Kaiju. Beside to Titanosaurus I would give more powers to Anguirus and Varan as well.

I wish that new versions of Gorosaurus and Zilla would be introduced. The Gorosaurus could start like a specimen of race to a evolution of a T-Rex like the V-Rex that is a sort of relative that the Minus Goji's Species and becoming giant cause some kind of experiments.

Dunno about Zilla, for me could be like a giant-iguana creature that get Godzilla's DNA but I think Japanese wouldn't glad having Zilla in their Movies.

[Vakanai]

Would we get those exact movies? No. Could we get something comparable? Yes.

Comparable in quality sure, but never ever comparable to the bold and daring reinterpretation of Shin, and you know that.

But I'm not asking for what the MV is doing. "unique" and "interesting" don't mean one movie can't reference the other. I want unique and interesting with continuity. that's not the just the Monsterverse

And I'm not asking for a continuity to lock us back into just one version of Godzilla again. I like seeing the new versions, the new takes, the new ideas that a continuity wouldn't allow. Shin and Minus One could never exist in the same continuity together. I'm enjoying this. And to me personally, just having the ability for movies to "reference" one another doesn't excite me as much. I'm not against a few sequels, I would love for both Shin and Minus One to get sequels, I'm just against a singular ongoing continuity for the rest of the era.

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Note: I do want a MO sequel, but not if the idea is "turn Noriko into a kaiju for Godzilla to fight." That's just...no please no.

[LegendZilla]

And I'm not asking for a continuity to lock us back into just one version of Godzilla again. I like seeing the new versions, the new takes, the new ideas that a continuity wouldn't allow. Shin and Minus One could never exist in the same continuity together. I'm enjoying this. And to me personally, just having the ability for movies to "reference" one another doesn't excite me as much. I'm not against a few sequels, I would love for both Shin and Minus One to get sequels, I'm just against a singular ongoing continuity for the rest of the era.

Would you be okay with a film trilogy now and then, like Gamera in the 90's?

[Vakanai]

And I'm not asking for a continuity to lock us back into just one version of Godzilla again. I like seeing the new versions, the new takes, the new ideas that a continuity wouldn't allow. Shin and Minus One could never exist in the same continuity together. I'm enjoying this. And to me personally, just having the ability for movies to "reference" one another doesn't excite me as much. I'm not against a few sequels, I would love for both Shin and Minus One to get sequels, I'm just against a singular ongoing continuity for the rest of the era.

Would you be okay with a film trilogy anow and then, like Gamera in the 90's?

Yes and no. Yes if it's just once or twice out of a bunch of other films. No if it's most of the films, or if we only get a film every several years, or something like that. Like if we get a trilogy in a 2 to 4 year period? Sure. If it's all the live action films we get in a decade then no.

[LegendZilla]

And I'm not asking for a continuity to lock us back into just one version of Godzilla again. I like seeing the new versions, the new takes, the new ideas that a continuity wouldn't allow. Shin and Minus One could never exist in the same continuity together. I'm enjoying this. And to me personally, just having the ability for movies to "reference" one another doesn't excite me as much. I'm not against a few sequels, I would love for both Shin and Minus One to get sequels, I'm just against a singular ongoing continuity for the rest of the era.

Would you be okay with a film trilogy now and then, like Gamera in the 90's?

Yes and no. Yes if it's just once or twice out of a bunch of other films. No if it's most of the films, or if we only get a film every several years, or something like that. Like if we get a trilogy in a 2 to 4 year period? Sure. If it's all the live action films we get in a decade then no.

So you're saying it all depends right?

[Vakanai]

Would you be okay with a film trilogy now and then, like Gamera in the 90's?

Yes and no. Yes if it's just once or twice out of a bunch of other films. No if it's most of the films, or if we only get a film every several years, or something like that. Like if we get a trilogy in a 2 to 4 year period? Sure. If it's all the live action films we get in a decade then no.

So you're saying it all depends right?

Exactly. The point is that it doesn't impact getting new takes.

[ShinGojiX98]

You guys would like the idea of King Ceaser capable to heal his own wounds and accumulate power by turning into a statue that can absorb Solar Energy or something?

[GigaBowserG]

You guys would like the idea of King Ceaser capable to heal his own wounds and accumulate power by turning into a statue that can absorb Solar Energy or something?

Wound healing, no. Accumulate power with solar energy... maybe not solar energy, but something more supernatural. "Shisa dogs" which KC is based on typically come in pairs, one with an open mouth (to ward off evil spirits) and one with a closed mouth (to keep good spirits). I'd honestly love to see KC be accompanied by some kind of twin, but if not, have the whole "ward off evil spirits, keep good spirits" thing in play with his powers somehow.

[LegendZilla]

You guys would like the idea of King Ceaser capable to heal his own wounds and accumulate power by turning into a statue that can absorb Solar Energy or something?

Wound healing, no. Accumulate power with solar energy... maybe not solar energy, but something more supernatural. "Shisa dogs" which KC is based on typically come in pairs, one with an open mouth (to ward off evil spirits) and one with a closed mouth (to keep good spirits). I'd honestly love to see KC be accompanied by some kind of twin, but if not, have the whole "ward off evil spirits, keep good spirits" thing in play with his powers somehow.

Maybe you have the second one be female. Another idea I have regarding KC is maybe the green gem on his forehead could be used to generate illusions for confusing his enemies.

[MVHutch]

Comparable in quality sure, but never ever comparable to the bold and daring reinterpretation of Shin, and you know that.

Godzilla being a stiff emotionless plot device for generic human characters to complain about the government? Sure, why wouldn't I want more of that/s

[Vakanai]

Comparable in quality sure, but never ever comparable to the bold and daring reinterpretation of Shin, and you know that.

Godzilla being a stiff emotionless plot device for generic human characters to complain about the government? Sure, why wouldn't I want more of that/s

Disagree with this take and interpretation, but that's another argument and debate. I've loved Shin more than most other movies from most other eras of this franchise (and no, that's not a mark against them, just a sign of how much I loved Shin and found it amazing). I like seeing new takes that try to break out of the predictable box - we have decades and decades of content that generally follows the same premise and plots and tropes. Sequelitis tends to favor that over breaking new ground imo.