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JAGzilla wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:55 pm If we're going to take a scientific approach to this, talking about invasive species and ecosystems, then the few dozen dinosaurs released from the mansion will have no meaningful impact on anything. Most are lone individuals that can't reproduce, with only the compys and Pteranodons being remotely capable of establishing small-scale breeding populations that won't last long due to low genetic diversity, anyway. They've also been released in California, a part of the world severely lacking in apex predators, so a handful of theropods eating deer for a few years max is beneficial if anything. Maybe they get a few livestock, too, but that's no big deal. Realistically, there should be few or no human casualties, with Blue being the only carnivore capable of really being elusive. The big, blundering Rexy should have been tracked down and neutralized by the National Guard in a matter of hours. There's no serious threat here, and feeling good that a bunch of zoo animals didn't die in a hole isn't really unwarranted.

EDIT: Okay, putting out an open question to the forum: what should Maisie have said when releasing the dinosaurs? Rewrite that line. :lol:
OK, several things

1st: We've seen in media around and after JWFK and JWD that a lot of the dinosaurs are reproducing.
2nd: That's a VERY gross oversimplification on invasive species. The larger species in general would have considerable trophic cascades on the tattered California ecosystem and this modern environment isn't meant to house them, so they'll likely do more harm than good. As for the livestock, farmers annihilated wolves just because they picked off a few cows and each lost cattle or sheep is a big blow to the livelihoods of farmers, so that will just intensify human-wildlife conflict.
3rd: To answer your question, just don't have Maisie say anything at all. It's clear Colin Trevorrow doesn't know how people really talk and like Hedorah said, change the context where it was basically "one of the worst things imaginable done with the best intentions" instead of the forced, pretentious whimsy these movies tried and failed miserably to put in.
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JAGzilla wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:55 pm If we're going to take a scientific approach to this, talking about invasive species and ecosystems, then the few dozen dinosaurs released from the mansion will have no meaningful impact on anything. Most are lone individuals that can't reproduce, with only the compys and Pteranodons being remotely capable of establishing small-scale breeding populations that won't last long due to low genetic diversity, anyway. They've also been released in California, a part of the world severely lacking in apex predators, so a handful of theropods eating deer for a few years max is beneficial if anything. Maybe they get a few livestock, too, but that's no big deal. Realistically, there should be few or no human casualties, with Blue being the only carnivore capable of really being elusive. The big, blundering Rexy should have been tracked down and neutralized by the National Guard in a matter of hours. There's no serious threat here, and feeling good that a bunch of zoo animals didn't die in a hole isn't really unwarranted.
But they're literally spread over the entire planet in Dominion. Whether or not that makes sense is another matter, but it's what happened. Remember how much havoc the T-Rex wreaked in San Diego back in TLW? And that was one dinosaur for one night. So yeah, no, this is absolutely a big deal and a serious threat. Even if the dinosaurs were taken out in a matter of days, dozens to hundreds of people could still die. Also, our military and police forces are nowhere near as capable as they like to pretend. I don't believe for a second they would get them all in a couple of days. They would blunder around arguing about jurisdiction while people get eaten.
EDIT: Okay, putting out an open question to the forum: what should Maisie have said when releasing the dinosaurs? Rewrite that line. :lol:
Nothing. Not a word. I think one of the hallmarks of bad filmmaking is trying to fill up every scene with needless dialogue. Maisie releasing the dinosaurs silently would have been much more impactful, even if I would've still disagreed with it ethically.
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FK's ending imo is not suppose to be uplifting. The Moasaur in the surface next to people says it all to me.

I always saw the scene as Massie thinks she's doing the right thing but has do something ultimately that was bad.

Massie is a child and children think with their hearts.

Now if Claire had released them that would be a bigger problem.
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miguelnuva wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:10 am FK's ending imo is not suppose to be uplifting. The Moasaur in the surface next to people says it all to me.

I always saw the scene as Massie thinks she's doing the right thing but has do something ultimately that was bad.

Massie is a child and children think with their hearts.

Now if Claire had released them that would be a bigger problem.
The whimsical "doo-dee-doo" music and Blue's whole "Hero looks into the sunset" shot say otherwise. As for Maisie, she's just the culmination of this series' inability to write kid characters outside of JP1 and JP3, shockingly enough. Children do think with their hearts but you'd expect Masie to let them die after having one nearly fucking kill her multiple times.
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Gojira18 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:30 am
miguelnuva wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:10 am FK's ending imo is not suppose to be uplifting. The Moasaur in the surface next to people says it all to me.

I always saw the scene as Massie thinks she's doing the right thing but has do something ultimately that was bad.

Massie is a child and children think with their hearts.

Now if Claire had released them that would be a bigger problem.
The whimsical "doo-dee-doo" music and Blue's whole "Hero looks into the sunset" shot say otherwise. As for Maisie, she's just the culmination of this series' inability to write kid characters outside of JP1 and JP3, shockingly enough. Children do think with their hearts but you'd expect Masie to let them die after having one nearly fucking kill her multiple times.
Maise and the Dinos are suppose to be clones of existing beings for more or less despite what the dinos have been made out to be in the films. The Indoraptor is pure movie monster. Its not natural and Blue even defends her from it. I can see someone separating the Indoraptor from the other Dinos.
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miguelnuva wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:05 pm
Gojira18 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:30 am
miguelnuva wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:10 am FK's ending imo is not suppose to be uplifting. The Moasaur in the surface next to people says it all to me.

I always saw the scene as Massie thinks she's doing the right thing but has do something ultimately that was bad.

Massie is a child and children think with their hearts.

Now if Claire had released them that would be a bigger problem.
The whimsical "doo-dee-doo" music and Blue's whole "Hero looks into the sunset" shot say otherwise. As for Maisie, she's just the culmination of this series' inability to write kid characters outside of JP1 and JP3, shockingly enough. Children do think with their hearts but you'd expect Masie to let them die after having one nearly fucking kill her multiple times.
Maise and the Dinos are suppose to be clones of existing beings for more or less despite what the dinos have been made out to be in the films. The Indoraptor is pure movie monster. Its not natural and Blue even defends her from it. I can see someone separating the Indoraptor from the other Dinos.
I can't. The Indoraptor is just a generic ugly dinosaur design and the amount of kids I've had tell me it or Indominus rex was their favorite dinosaur still gives me physical pain.
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Gojira18 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:30 amThe whimsical "doo-dee-doo" music and Blue's whole "Hero looks into the sunset" shot say otherwise.
I didn't read the shot that way at all. The 'hero goes off into the sunset' isn't usually heading towards a residential neighborhood.
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To me the Moasa, Rexy vs the Lion and the Pteranodons are all implying it is a mistake personally.
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I can see the Indominus and Indoraptor being seen as separate from the other dinosaurs. They are man-made creatures, not natural, and like the Frankenstein monster, they turn on their creators. They are very much monsters in that sense. The natural dinosaurs would still be a big problem for the modern ecosystem, but the two man-made dinosaurs were shown as a direct threat to man itself.
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edgaguirus wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:12 pm I can see the Indominus and Indoraptor being seen as separate from the other dinosaurs. They are man-made creatures, not natural, and like the Frankenstein monster, they turn on their creators. They are very much monsters in that sense. The natural dinosaurs would still be a big problem for the modern ecosystem, but the two man-made dinosaurs were shown as a direct threat to man itself.
They're all "man-made" dinosaurs. Some were just more genetically engineered than others, but they were all clones of dead animals with at least frog DNA added in since the very first film.
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Vakanai wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:19 pm
edgaguirus wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:12 pm I can see the Indominus and Indoraptor being seen as separate from the other dinosaurs. They are man-made creatures, not natural, and like the Frankenstein monster, they turn on their creators. They are very much monsters in that sense. The natural dinosaurs would still be a big problem for the modern ecosystem, but the two man-made dinosaurs were shown as a direct threat to man itself.
They're all "man-made" dinosaurs. Some were just more genetically engineered than others, but they were all clones of dead animals with at least frog DNA added in since the very first film.
Yes but the other Dinos are are like copying someone's homework that has an A in the class but a few answers are blank. The Indos are someone trying to do the homework themselves because they got good at copying.
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Vakanai wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:19 pm
edgaguirus wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:12 pm I can see the Indominus and Indoraptor being seen as separate from the other dinosaurs. They are man-made creatures, not natural, and like the Frankenstein monster, they turn on their creators. They are very much monsters in that sense. The natural dinosaurs would still be a big problem for the modern ecosystem, but the two man-made dinosaurs were shown as a direct threat to man itself.
They're all "man-made" dinosaurs. Some were just more genetically engineered than others, but they were all clones of dead animals with at least frog DNA added in since the very first film.
Yeah. I should have said human designed dinosaurs. Either way, it continues the theme of man playing with nature and getting bitten in the ass.
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edgaguirus wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:00 pm
Vakanai wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:19 pm
edgaguirus wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:12 pm I can see the Indominus and Indoraptor being seen as separate from the other dinosaurs. They are man-made creatures, not natural, and like the Frankenstein monster, they turn on their creators. They are very much monsters in that sense. The natural dinosaurs would still be a big problem for the modern ecosystem, but the two man-made dinosaurs were shown as a direct threat to man itself.
They're all "man-made" dinosaurs. Some were just more genetically engineered than others, but they were all clones of dead animals with at least frog DNA added in since the very first film.
Yeah. I should have said human designed dinosaurs. Either way, it continues the theme of man playing with nature and getting bitten in the ass.
The main issue is that the Indominus and Indoraptor have really boring and/or ugly designs to them. With the Indominus, there's nothing about it to suggest it's "wrong" or "artificial". It's just a generic theropod design with a bit of an underbite and opposable thumbs and that's about it. If you don't know much about dinosaurs, you'd just assume it was a distant T.rex relative. Same with the Indoraptor, except it's smaller, can walk on all 4s and is just poorly designed.
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Gojira18 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:50 pmThe main issue is that the Indominus and Indoraptor have really boring and/or ugly designs to them. With the Indominus, there's nothing about it to suggest it's "wrong" or "artificial". It's just a generic theropod design with a bit of an underbite and opposable thumbs and that's about it. If you don't know much about dinosaurs, you'd just assume it was a distant T.rex relative. Same with the Indoraptor, except it's smaller, can walk on all 4s and is just poorly designed.
I always assumed the ugliness was meant to emphasize the artificial nature.
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