Godzilla -1.0 (2023) General Discussion Thread

[edgaguirus]

IMO we need both. Subs are great for people like me who want to see the original dialogue. Dubs are useful for the GA and those who may have difficulty reading. The more people watching these films, the better.

[zukzilla]

The Godzilla Minus One Blu-ray Deluxe Japan Collector's Edition is on sell at US Godzilla Store. I already preorder it and can't wait to watch it again!

[Creature22]

Preordered as well. That it’s region free is also helpful.

[zukzilla]

Preordered as well. That it’s region free is also helpful.

Downside of this is that Disk 4 is Japanese only with no english subtitles. so you can't understand what's going on behind the scene for those who don't speak Japanese.

[Chaos Reincarnation]

Preordered as well. That it’s region free is also helpful.

Downside of this is that Disk 4 is Japanese only with no english subtitles. so you can't understand what's going on behind the scene for those who don't speak Japanese.

Fan subs will come out that same week I'm sure.

[Legion1979]

I'm also curious about how good the subs actually are.

[LSD Jellyfish]

Warning, rambly post that is definitely the start of something that I don't know what it is:

I've been reading a book about Postwar Japan and specifically aimed through a lens of viewing waste and consumption through the era. The section that covers the couple of years that directly follows the war is extremely fascinating and I feel that the early sections of Godzilla Minus One really cover the desperation and hurried transition well. What's interesting is although the primary focus of the book is defining waste as physical things (garbage) it also discusses time and outdated ideologies as waste. A little philosophical, yes, but it had a section that discussed recognized outdated imperialist visions as a waste and postwar Japan hurriedly throwing it all out. The same can be said of a rejection of feudal systems. In contrast to other works that view anti-waste measurements as something to be prideful of, or to commend Japan's character, Minus One showcases a rather explicit desperation that is presented as necessary. Of course, Godzilla Minus One isn't trying to depict exact reality or be historical fiction, but it's a great effort.

In many ways, Shikishima and the others actions really do reflect immediate postwar Japan. To extend the metaphor, which the book does not make, but Godzilla Minus One does, Postwar Japan realized the value of human life and not to waste it. That sounds like an obvious statement, but it's the films thesis and I find the discussion and contrast of what came before fascinating.

To connect it to Always Sunset on Third Street, Yamazaki really ties things together and transitions into the early eeklings of Japan's consumer-based culture, but one that is still mindful of waste. From my own readings, I've really gotten a sense that Yaamzaki knows and has done his own research on the mindsets and prevailing notions at the time.

I'll elaborate at some point in the future, including the title of the book. I didn't purchase it for the immediate postwar stuff, I got it for a section it actually devotes to Godzilla vs. Hedorah.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

^Those are some interesting ideas. Different philosophies also could have different impacts on how physical waste is treated. If I'm remembering correctly, wasn't there a pretty significant change to toy manufacturing around that time in Japan owing to lack of materials needed to create them? I feel like I remember reading something about toy cars and trains being made from recycled junk metal around this time. I'll be interested to see what else you have to share down the road.

[Mechagigan]

IMO we need both. Subs are great for people like me who want to see the original dialogue. Dubs are useful for the GA and those who may have difficulty reading. The more people watching these films, the better.

I wish the entire Godzilla catalog could get brand new, fresh dubs, more directly based off the actual scripts. I like dubs because I can leave them on while working, but almost every old school dub just doesn't cut it. I honestly think the Heisei and Millennium ones have aged the worst, at least the Showa ones inadvertently stand out. Minus One's dub seemed really well done from what I remember, only one or two odd moments I found unfitting, and that's acceptable considering it's not exactly how the film was meant to be consumed

[LegendZilla]

If this movie does get a sequel, who says it can't end up being one of the all-time great film sequels alongside Empire or T2? It's rare, but lightning can strike twice now and then.

[edgaguirus]

And I'd be delighted to see that happen.

[Vakanai]

If this movie does get a sequel, who says it can't end up being one of the all-time great film sequels alongside Empire or T2? It's rare, but lightning can strike twice now and then.

It's possible - are people arguing that a sequel won't be as good? I haven't really run across such discussions, but it seems silly to doubt Toho right now considering their success with both Shin and Minus One. Like if they declared that a Minus One sequel would be done as an anime film rather than a live action film, then yeah I would be extremely worried considering their track record in trying to adapt Godzilla to that medium. But in live action right now Toho is killing it. I have to imagine that they've built up incredible good will at this point.

[JAGzilla]

Like if they declared that a Minus One sequel would be done as an anime film rather than a live action film,

Oh, screw that noise. Noooo. No thank you. They could get Miyazaki and Shinkai and all the other greatest anime minds on board for that and I'd still be skeptical.

[Mechagigan]

I'd be A-Okay with an animated Godzilla -1 sequel, assuming it won't use The Sims-tier CG, and won't be unbelievably boring. Not sure they could manage these requests. Still, Minus One could totally fit a hyper stylized interpretation, I think it could even elevate the sort of classic aesthetic - Godzilla deserves so much more in the animated realm. Not that it'd ever really happen, lol

[Vakanai]

Like if they declared that a Minus One sequel would be done as an anime film rather than a live action film,

Oh, screw that noise. Noooo. No thank you. They could get Miyazaki and Shinkai and all the other greatest anime minds on board for that and I'd still be skeptical.

That was kind of my point, Toho's got an awful track record now with anime Godzilla films, but as long as they stick to live action we can trust it'll probably be quality.

[Tyrant_Lizard_King]

Yamazaki just revealed that the complete score will be getting released this October. Will include 10 new tracks not on the original release plus roars and sound effects.

From composer Sato's Twitter.
https://x.com/naokisato_face/status/183 ... ouc3Q&s=19

[GigaBowserG]

Yamazaki just revealed that the complete score will be getting released this October. Will include 10 new tracks not on the original release plus roars and sound effects.

From composer Sato's Twitter.
https://x.com/naokisato_face/status/183 ... ouc3Q&s=19

Honestly thrilled! Can't wait to hear the little tune that plays right after Godzilla gets nuked, was most disappointed that was missing from the original soundtrack release. Also more versions of Divine and Resolution are always welcome.

[Mechagigan]

Rewatched this one again today, and I think its a bit understated how much G14's Godzilla design influenced Minus One. Sure, he's most obviously a mix of GMK and MogeGoji, but a lot of the "realistic" elements like the sandstone skin, the eyes, the crooked spines, are so familiar. Not to mention the spines jutting from the water, or the atomic breath buildup in general. Feels like they took a lot of ideas from what made G'14s look so imposing.

Beyond that, Minus One doesn't necessarily have a lot in common with G'14, but I feel like some elements of its aesthetic and tone did seep through in some way. Both feel very "timeless", or at least, historical-fiction, and I think G'14 was aiming for an emotional tone itself. Didn't really do that though, imo

[king_ghidorah]

I was about to say that I don’t see the Mosu/GMK influences at all but the more I thought about it, yes, it does have Mosu’s eyebrows and GMK’s feet but I think it more heavily borrows from Heisei and yes, 2014.

[Neogeddon]

Some of the presentation feels 2014 too. The shot where you see him swimming under a ship from above is taken right out of that for sure.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the scene where the tanks fire on him in Ginza and his face comes out of the smoke. That's very reminiscent of 2014's old teaser trailer.