How Could Past Monsters Be Revisited in the Reiwa Era?

[ShinGojiX98]

I guess we can agree to disagree there. Making him only fight Godzilla makes him too weak to me.

Well for me it would depended by how much they would want make Godzilla look strong in future. In the Showa Era Godzilla wasn't particularly superior to the other Kaiju (it had troubles again Rodan and Mothra and had need help for defeat Hedorah and MechaGodzilla). If Godzilla would be superior than all the others Kaiju then King Ghidorah could look strong even if Godzilla fight him alone, they could make KG have the advantage for most of time during their fights. If instead they want make KG particularly special then Godzilla could still need some help despite how strong he is. Godzilla could get the victory rather with a kind of power up than the help of other Kaiju.

I think that nowdays they want make both Godzilla and King Ghidorah look particularly strong compared to the others monsters in anycase.

Not a bad idea

Thanks.

yeah and his spikes should actually injure his enemies

Yeah, at least he should able to be a real challenge for its opponents.

If they want continue with the Minus Goji's Universe basically they should give to any Kaiju that would be Godzilla's opponent something capable to really damaged him despite his regenerative factor.

[MVHutch]

Well for me it would depended by how much they would want make Godzilla look strong in future. In the Showa Era Godzilla wasn't particularly superior to the other Kaiju (it had troubles again Rodan and Mothra and had need help for defeat Hedorah and MechaGodzilla). If Godzilla would be superior than all the others Kaiju then King Ghidorah could look strong even if Godzilla fight him alone, they could make KG have the advantage for most of time during their fights. If instead they want make KG particularly special then Godzilla could still need some help despite how strong he is. Godzilla could get the victory rather with a kind of power up than the help of other Kaiju.

I think that nowdays they want make both Godzilla and King Ghidorah look particularly strong compared to the others monsters in anycase

What you're saying makes sense. I personally prefer if Godzilla is stronger than most of the other monsters but not significantly stronger. Rodan and Mothra should still be able to battle him without getting defeated too quickly

But I also just like team ups, something somewhat missing from most of the post Showa Godzilla movies

Yeah, at least he should able to be a real challenge for its opponents.

If they want continue with the Minus Goji's Universe basically they should give to any Kaiju that would be Godzilla's opponent something capable to really damaged him despite his regenerative factor.

ya especially if it's a big bad going up against Godzilla

[ShinGojiX98]

What you're saying makes sense. I personally prefer if Godzilla is stronger than most of the other monsters but not significantly stronger. Rodan and Mothra should still be able to battle him without getting defeated too quickly

But I also just like team ups, something somewhat missing from most of the post Showa Godzilla movies

Yeah I too want that Rodan and Mothra despite not being at Godzilla's level still are capable to put a good fight again him or other monsters.

I think the team up were so presents in Showa's Movies cause the 2nd Godzilla that appeared and many of the others Monsters actually have became good guys while in the Hensei and Millenium Era Godzilla was more like a destructive force that despite not being good wasn't either evil as well.

Monsterverse Goji isn't friendly as Showa's one but at same time isn't so dangerous and unfriendly like the various Godzilla's versions post Showa.

Considering the nature of Minus One Goji it shouldn't be easy at all get his trust and tolerance. But who knows?

I could see that King Ghidorah during his first introduction in the Minus One's Verse get the shock of everybody by blasting away Godzilla's head and so forcing to regenerate and understand and can't defeat him solo.

Yeah, at least he should able to be a real challenge for its opponents.

ya especially if it's a big bad going up against Godzilla

For example they could make Hedorah's Acid Slime so corrosive that Godzilla's body have some difficulty to totally recovered from the dissolution despite that regeneration.

[JVM]

I wouldn't revisit past monsters but if I were under some kind of mandate, I've been interested in taking the 'multi-form' approach to King Ghidorah, since it's become the style for Godzilla now.

[Vakanai]

Considering the nature of Minus One Goji it shouldn't be easy at all get his trust and tolerance. But who knows?

Preferably they'll make a different Godzilla again if they need to do team up movies, one that's more neutral antihero than Minus One's outright villain. While I'd love to see sequels to both Shin and Minus One, neither take in my opinion is suited for team up movies or really a planned universe should Toho go that route. And in all honesty I'd rather they didn't, I'm enjoying these experimental takes - feels like the Millennium Era if it had lived up to its promise.



One past monster I'd like to see revisited isn't a kaiju - the shockirus (spelling?). The deadly sea lice/louse that fell from Godzilla in the 84/85 film. I just thought it was an interesting concept, and I like seeing more human scaled threats thrown in with the kaiju sized threats to keep things interesting and give more danger to the protagonists. It's something we don't get often in the genre, with the only other examples I can think of is the Meganulon in Rodan, Destroyah's smaller forms, and the parasites that fell off of Clover in Cloverfield similar to shockirus. Just seems like a good monster addition that also makes Godzilla seem just that much more dangerous.

[ShinGojiX98]

I wouldn't revisit past monsters but if I were under some kind of mandate, I've been interested in taking the 'multi-form' approach to King Ghidorah, since it's become the style for Godzilla now.

If KG and others Kaiju end having multiple forms basically this Franchise would became a more adult version of Digimon and Pokemon lol

However it could be interesting if that happened.

A pity Shin didn't get a Sequel, maybe others monsters like Anguirus, Rodan ecc could have get a Evolution Line as well.

Preferably they'll make a different Godzilla again if they need to do team up movies, one that's more neutral antihero than Minus One's outright villain. While I'd love to see sequels to both Shin and Minus One, neither take in my opinion is suited for team up movies or really a planned universe should Toho go that route. And in all honesty I'd rather they didn't, I'm enjoying these experimental takes - feels like the Millennium Era if it had lived up to its promise.

The thing about make experimental one shots for constantly get Big Movies Event is a formula that can be interesting but it may become too annoying and frustrating for some people to continue to see films with interesting ideas and endings that hint a sequel butthat in the end do not get any further development and leave everything uncertain and unresolved.

Hope Minus One does get a Sequel. At least I want find out what would happened to Noriko.

Speaking about the Team Up maybe the personality of the Minus One Goji will be slightly softened in case you have to do teamwork.

One past monster I'd like to see revisited isn't a kaiju - the shockirus (spelling?). The deadly sea lice/louse that fell from Godzilla in the 84/85 film. I just thought it was an interesting concept, and I like seeing more human scaled threats thrown in with the kaiju sized threats to keep things interesting and give more danger to the protagonists. It's something we don't get often in the genre, with the only other examples I can think of is the Meganulon in Rodan, Destroyah's smaller forms, and the parasites that fell off of Clover in Cloverfield similar to shockirus. Just seems like a good monster addition that also makes Godzilla seem just that much more dangerous.

I think that perhaps they had avoided making more human scale threats for don't make the tones fall too much in the Horror's tones. But however that would be interesting.

A pity Shin didn't get a sequel, I would have glad see the behaviors of that Tail's Creatures / 5th Form. Probably Toho didn't wanted have Godzilla giving life to some freaks that instead of destroying the buildings hunted down the people themself.

Considering the scene of the Godzillasarus in Minus One maybe in some possible sequel it could possible see more "smaller" creatures attacking the humans in a possible Sequel.

[Vakanai]

The thing about make experimental one shots for constantly get Big Movies Event is a formula that can be interesting but it may become too annoying and frustrating for some people to continue to see films with interesting ideas and endings that hint a sequel butthat in the end do not get any further development and leave everything uncertain and unresolved.

There's a simple and elegant solution to that - have Toho mandate no more sequel hooks!

Hope Minus One does get a Sequel. At least I want find out what would happened to Noriko.

Same, and I still hold out hope it's not too late for a Shin Godzilla sequel once Anno's done with all his other Shin films.

Speaking about the Team Up maybe the personality of the Minus One Goji will be slightly softened in case you have to do teamwork.

Perhaps, but again I'd rather just have a new Godzilla and a different continuity entirely if Toho decides to pursue team up films again.

I think that perhaps they had avoided making more human scale threats for don't make the tones fall too much in the Horror's tones. But however that would be interesting.

Arguably the first film that started this genre and franchise was a horror film, and with certain aspects of both Shin and Minus One it sort of feels like Toho's been leaning into that some more. Would be interesting if they reconsider their human scale threats. I mean the Human Vapor is getting a remake series with some serious top talent behind it, which if successful might possibly lead to them resurrecting some of their other sci-fi/horror IP like H-Man, their version of the Invisible Man, or their Dracula trilogy.

A pity Shin didn't get a sequel, I would have glad see the behaviors of that Tail's Creatures / 5th Form. Probably Toho didn't wanted have Godzilla giving life to some freaks that instead of destroying the buildings hunted down the people themself.

Allegedly the failure of Shin getting a sequel had nothing to do with Toho but Anno's sudden success and thus suddenly busy schedule with Shin Ultraman and Shin Kamen Rider among others.

Funny you mention Shin not getting a sequel as a pity - for years after Shin everybody seemed to go on and on about how they were satisfied with Shin's ending and thus "one off" status, how they didn't want a sequel or couldn't see how a sequel could do anything other than dilute and harm the importance of Shin, and generally poo-poohed on my hopes for a sequel whenever I expressed such a desire. And yet apparently Anno himself had ideas at the time for how a sequel would work, and suddenly in just the past year I no longer seem alone wishing Shin had gotten a sequel. Don't know what changed on this forum...

Considering the scene of the Godzillasarus in Minus One maybe in some possible sequel it could possible see more "smaller" creatures attacking the humans in a possible Sequel.

That scene was definitely a standout, like T-Rex in Jurassic Park. That and full grown Godzilla intently chasing down their small boat really brought some "human" scaled threats to the film.

[ShinGojiX98]

There's a simple and elegant solution to that - have Toho mandate no more sequel hooks!

Sadly I don't think this would happened...

Same, and I still hold out hope it's not too late for a Shin Godzilla sequel once Anno's done with all his other Shin films.

There are theories about Noriko becoming Biollante or even Hedorah. I would say Biollante.

About the Shin Godzilla's Sequel if it was possible finally get Dragon Ball Budokai Tenkaichi 4 aka Sparking ZERO after all this years then maybe it wouldn't be never too late for continuing with Shin. There are still a lot of people who want the sequel.

Perhaps, but again I'd rather just have a new Godzilla and a different continuity entirely if Toho decides to pursue team up films again.

The problem is that they would have to do another new Godzilla from 0 and some people instead would rather prefer see the Minus Goji continued to be explored and development.

Arguably the first film that started this genre and franchise was a horror film, and with certain aspects of both Shin and Minus One it sort of feels like Toho's been leaning into that some more. Would be interesting if they reconsider their human scale threats. I mean the Human Vapor is getting a remake series with some serious top talent behind it, which if successful might possibly lead to them resurrecting some of their other sci-fi/horror IP like H-Man, their version of the Invisible Man, or their Dracula trilogy.

Perhaps but I don't think we are going toward a direction of really serious horror like Alien's Franchise. I think is more likely something close to Jurassic Park or Tremors.

Allegedly the failure of Shin getting a sequel had nothing to do with Toho but Anno's sudden success and thus suddenly busy schedule with Shin Ultraman and Shin Kamen Rider among others.

I have heard it was Toho that choice to don't make Shin's Sequel cause they have prefered focusing more on Neftlix's Projects, MV and new stuff such indeed Godzilla Minus One.

Funny you mention Shin not getting a sequel as a pity - for years after Shin everybody seemed to go on and on about how they were satisfied with Shin's ending and thus "one off" status, how they didn't want a sequel or couldn't see how a sequel could do anything other than dilute and harm the importance of Shin, and generally poo-poohed on my hopes for a sequel whenever I expressed such a desire. And yet apparently Anno himself had ideas at the time for how a sequel would work, and suddenly in just the past year I no longer seem alone wishing Shin had gotten a sequel. Don't know what changed on this forum...

I always was among those who were quite disappointed that Shin didn't get the sequel, lol. I really want see the 5th Forms in actions and a possible opponent for Shin Goji.

Speaking about Anno I still hope one day I would make even his own version of a Gamera's Movie. Also in 2029 if I'm not wrong the character King Kong would become of public domain, I would be interested if Anno gives his own vision about King Kong.

That scene was definitely a standout, like T-Rex in Jurassic Park. That and full grown Godzilla intently chasing down their small boat really brought some "human" scaled threats to the film.

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Yeah, Minus Goji was more scary in his Pre-Nuked Form. If they wanted continued with "human" scaled threats they could even do something like such some cubs of the same Godzilla's species that starting unleashing the chaos in a city or something. But you know they must avoid avoid over using this type of concept because Zilla's cubs attacking people creating a scene too similar to Jurassic Park was one of the criticisms for the Godzilla 98

[Vakanai]

There are theories about Noriko becoming Biollante or even Hedorah. I would say Biollante.

...god I hope not. That sounds like a terrible idea for a sequel.

About the Shin Godzilla's Sequel if it was possible finally get Dragon Ball Budokai Tenkaichi 4 aka Sparking ZERO after all this years then maybe it wouldn't be never too late for continuing with Shin. There are still a lot of people who want the sequel.

True - hell, we're getting a sequel to Beetlejuice next month - over 35 years after the first movie.

The problem is that they would have to do another new Godzilla from 0 and some people instead would rather prefer see the Minus Goji continued to be explored and development.

There were also people who would rather have preferred to see Shin Goji continue to be explored and developed too, but that didn't stop Toho from creating Minus Goji instead.

Never mind the fact that most of the people in this forum clamoring for this particular Goji to continue usually only has one of three reasons to do so.
1. They love this Goji's design and just want to see it in more action. To me it's fine and alright but not so much I'm clamoring to see it again and again and again,
2. They want to see another period piece sequel, only now it's set during the Cold War. This is the thing I most actively don't want to happen. One film in the past was a cool novelty, going full time period for multiple films ala late phase Fox's X-Men franchise is just...please no.
3.Continuity just for continuity's sake. These people hate an anthology series of disconnected movies. I on the other hand want exactly this more experimental non-continuity approach.

I just haven't seen a good reason why Toho shouldn't keep going with different versions.

Perhaps but I don't think we are going toward a direction of really serious horror like Alien's Franchise. I think is more likely something close to Jurassic Park or Tremors.

Nothing wrong with that kind of horror - I love Jurassic Park and Tremors.

I have heard it was Toho that choice to don't make Shin's Sequel cause they have prefered focusing more on Neftlix's Projects, MV and new stuff such indeed Godzilla Minus One.

I don't know where you heard that, but it's not what I heard. Netflix's projects (anime trilogy and SP anime) don't take up Toho's live action resources and crew to make new movies (never mind being much smaller budgets and not well received), MV isn't really something they're focused on since they're just leasing and consulting on that and have to avoid certain windows to release their Godzilla films to not compete with Legendary's, and new stuff is what I heard they resorted to so as to get something out since Anno was busy.

Of course what I heard and what you heard is just that - stuff we've heard online. Only Toho and Anno would know for sure. But considering how successful Shin was at the time, I personally doubt the idea Toho decided not to pursue a sequel because it wanted to pursue the anime stuff and "new" stuff instead (especially as the anime trilogy was in development even before Shin was).

I always was among those who were quite disappointed that Shin didn't get the sequel, lol. I really want see the 5th Forms in actions and a possible opponent for Shin Goji.

Same!

Speaking about Anno I still hope one day I would make even his own version of a Gamera's Movie. Also in 2029 if I'm not wrong the character King Kong would become of public domain, I would be interested if Anno gives his own vision about King Kong.

Really depends - I wouldn't be interested in it if it was just something he felt compelled to do because fans want it. Like Godzilla, Ultraman, and Kamen Rider seem to be passion projects for him because he grew up loving these characters. So I'd only want him tackling Gamera or King Kong if he felt the same way. That said if he does want to do those projects I'd certainly be excited for that.

Yeah, Minus Goji was more scary in his Pre-Nuked Form. If they wanted continued with "human" scaled threats they could even do something like such some cubs of the same Godzilla's species that starting unleashing the chaos in a city or something. But you know they must avoid avoid over using this type of concept because Zilla's cubs attacking people creating a scene too similar to Jurassic Park was one of the criticisms for the Godzilla 98

I wouldn't worry about that - part of the criticism for Tristar's Godzilla babies attacking being too similar to Jurassic Park was because that's what Tristar was going for! Like they legit were purposely trying to evoke JP's velociraptors with that scene, it was not an accident. One has to assume Toho wouldn't actually be trying to copy the JP/JW franchise like 98's Godzilla team did.

Could just be because I was a kid at the time, but I actually like the 98 movie. Is it Godzilla In Name Only? Yep, 100% GINO. But, if I forget about it being a Godzilla movie and just take it as an unrelated giant monster movie, it's pretty fun. My favorite scene is actually when he's being chased by those helicopters in the city dodging them around skyscrapers before turning the tables and destroying them. Like that is peak kaiju action you don't really see in most kaiju vs military scenes where the monster simply ignores the army's firepower and lumberingly blasts them to bits. 98 Zilla is practically the super agile stealthy ninja of the kaiju world. Again, terrible adaptation of Godzilla, but entertaining movie imo.

[ShinGojiX98]

...god I hope not. That sounds like a terrible idea for a sequel.

Yeah, I know that it would be weird if Noriko turn into Biollante or Hedorah. But you know I think that having a innocent young woman turn into a monster right in front of her boyfriend and adoptive daughter could fit the more horror and dramatic's tones of the Minus One'.

I believe that if Biollante and Hedorah could be made more serious they can fit as Minus Goji's opponents.

True - hell, we're getting a sequel to Beetlejuice next month - over 35 years after the first movie.

I would like if Shin's Sequel came out in the 2026, exactly 10 years after the first one but I doubt about it.

There were also people who would rather have preferred to see Shin Goji continue to be explored and developed too, but that didn't stop Toho from creating Minus Goji instead.

Never mind the fact that most of the people in this forum clamoring for this particular Goji to continue usually only has one of three reasons to do so.
1. They love this Goji's design and just want to see it in more action. To me it's fine and alright but not so much I'm clamoring to see it again and again and again,
2. They want to see another period piece sequel, only now it's set during the Cold War. This is the thing I most actively don't want to happen. One film in the past was a cool novelty, going full time period for multiple films ala late phase Fox's X-Men franchise is just...please no.
3.Continuity just for continuity's sake. These people hate an anthology series of disconnected movies. I on the other hand want exactly this more experimental non-continuity approach.

I just haven't seen a good reason why Toho shouldn't keep going with different versions.

Yeah, maybe already right now they are looking for a new idea for a new Godzilla.

Even if I wanted a Sequel to both Shin and Minus One still I would be interested in Another New Godzilla.

Nothing wrong with that kind of horror - I love Jurassic Park and Tremors.

I too like them but it would be weird for me if Godzilla's Franchise going toward that direction.

You know considering that both Shin Godzilla have evolution's line I wondered if it could have worked some sequels of Shin in which there would have been more and more new forms that are a dangerous for human's scales just like Tremors.

Same!

A lot of people still want it. I wonder what mankind could have do again them?

Immagine if they were able to infect people thanks their radiations and DNA?

Sometimes I have the feeling the Toho avoided the Shin's Sequel indeed cause they have no idea about how to make it without turn it in a apocalyptic horror or something...

Really depends - I wouldn't be interested in it if it was just something he felt compelled to do because fans want it. Like Godzilla, Ultraman, and Kamen Rider seem to be passion projects for him because he grew up loving these characters. So I'd only want him tackling Gamera or King Kong if he felt the same way. That said if he does want to do those projects I'd certainly be excited for that.

I'm thinking Anno could be interested in Gamera, but I dunno Kong. Maybe it would be more the Toho that want using Kong together with Goji for trying make something like their own version of MV.

I wouldn't worry about that - part of the criticism for Tristar's Godzilla babies attacking being too similar to Jurassic Park was because that's what Tristar was going for! Like they legit were purposely trying to evoke JP's velociraptors with that scene, it was not an accident. One has to assume Toho wouldn't actually be trying to copy the JP/JW franchise like 98's Godzilla team did.

Could just be because I was a kid at the time, but I actually like the 98 movie. Is it Godzilla In Name Only? Yep, 100% GINO. But, if I forget about it being a Godzilla movie and just take it as an unrelated giant monster movie, it's pretty fun. My favorite scene is actually when he's being chased by those helicopters in the city dodging them around skyscrapers before turning the tables and destroying them. Like that is peak kaiju action you don't really see in most kaiju vs military scenes where the monster simply ignores the army's firepower and lumberingly blasts them to bits. 98 Zilla is practically the super agile stealthy ninja of the kaiju world. Again, terrible adaptation of Godzilla, but entertaining movie imo.

You know I too like Godzilla 98, it was my first Godzilla's Movie. It and Godzilla Save The Earth make get close and fall in love to this Franchise. Still wish to see Zilla one day return in some way.

Speaking about Godzilla get close to JP/JW maybe they would try for get more human's scale threat and make the movies more dark and serious. Perhaps we could see more Dinosaurus and Ancient Predator like creatures. I wouldn't mind see Toho making its own version of Skull Island and the Hollow Earth.

[MVHutch]

Yeah I too want that Rodan and Mothra despite not being at Godzilla's level still are capable to put a good fight again him or other monsters.

Exactly. I don't think Godzilla should be nigh invincible compared to the other Earth daikaiju. Those 2 can fly, and Mothra also has webbing & poison/reflective powder so that should even the odds. Even if they can't defeat Godzilla, it doesn't mean he can defeat them

I think the team up were so presents in Showa's Movies cause the 2nd Godzilla that appeared and many of the others Monsters actually have became good guys while in the Hensei and Millenium Era Godzilla was more like a destructive force that despite not being good wasn't either evil as well.

Monsterverse Goji isn't friendly as Showa's one but at same time isn't so dangerous and unfriendly like the various Godzilla's versions post Showa.

Considering the nature of Minus One Goji it shouldn't be easy at all get his trust and tolerance. But who knows?

Easy? No. Eventual? Possibly. Despite not loving the goofy Showa Era, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea if Godzilla evolves into a more human friendly/neutral creature. It could show more of the sympathetic side of him, since he was also a victim of nuclear power. Maybe his death and rebirth could be a sort of awakening for him, without him becoming just a kid's hero

I could see that King Ghidorah during his first introduction in the Minus One's Verse get the shock of everybody by blasting away Godzilla's head and so forcing to regenerate and understand and can't defeat him solo.

Now that you mention it, I wouldn't be opposed to a movie where Godzilla loses to King Ghidorah

For example they could make Hedorah's Acid Slime so corrosive that Godzilla's body have some difficulty to totally recovered from the dissolution despite that regeneration.

Good thinking. Having enemies counter his abilities, like Mothra's reflective scales, MechaGodzilla's reflective armor, or even Kumonga's poison attack helps make it more interesting

[ShinGojiX98]

Exactly. I don't think Godzilla should be nigh invincible compared to the other Earth daikaiju. Those 2 can fly, and Mothra also has webbing & poison/reflective powder so that should even the odds. Even if they can't defeat Godzilla, it doesn't mean he can defeat them

I think that since Godzilla is the the titular Monster he should be able to defeated the other Monsters but he shouldn't be portrayed always superior to every of them. For me it would be enough that Anguirus, Rodan and Mothra wouldn't be always jobber and at least a good challenge for him.

Easy? No. Eventual? Possibly. Despite not loving the goofy Showa Era, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea if Godzilla evolves into a more human friendly/neutral creature. It could show more of the sympathetic side of him, since he was also a victim of nuclear power. Maybe his death and rebirth could be a sort of awakening for him, without him becoming just a kid's hero

Minus One Goji was portrayed as extremely territorial and easy to get hungry version of Godzilla. If they want continue with him they must find a good way for make him less a threat to humans without risking to make its character look be distorted.

They could start making him pretty mad about having almost be killed but later on he could found himself forced to work with them. When it comes team up maybe it would be necessary a very big threat like KG for make him and other monsters working together.

Now that you mention it, I wouldn't be opposed to a movie where Godzilla loses to King Ghidorah

I wouldn't liked it instead, cause I'm a big Godzilla's fan lol

Good thinking. Having enemies counter his abilities, like Mothra's reflective scales, MechaGodzilla's reflective armor, or even Kumonga's poison attack helps make it more interesting

They could try this way, the problem is this Godzilla have that Healing Factor which makes it seem obvious that he cannot be completely killed unless complete cellular and molecular destruction would be someway involved.

[MVHutch]

I think that since Godzilla is the the titular Monster he should be able to defeated the other Monsters but he shouldn't be portrayed always superior to every of them. For me it would be enough that Anguirus, Rodan and Mothra wouldn't be always jobber and at least a good challenge for him.

Defeat, yes. Destroy, not so much.

Minus One Goji was portrayed as extremely territorial and easy to get hungry version of Godzilla. If they want continue with him they must find a good way for make him less a threat to humans without risking to make its character look be distorted.

They could start making him pretty mad about having almost be killed but later on he could found himself forced to work with them. When it comes team up maybe it would be necessary a very big threat like KG for make him and other monsters working together.

Ya it could mirror the Showa version, where Godzilla could at least be a sympathetic victim of nuclear weapons, but KG has no real sympathetic qualities, making Godzilla confront his own antagonism

I wouldn't liked it instead, cause I'm a big Godzilla's fan lol

I'm a big Godzilla fan too, but tbh, he's lost to weaker foes. I don't mind seeing my heroes lose. Just like in Infinity War

They could try this way, the problem is this Godzilla have that Healing Factor which makes it seem obvious that he cannot be completely killed unless complete cellular and molecular destruction would be someway involved.

He'd need to go up against a truly diabolical foe in that case. However, like in previous movies, he could be temporarily defeated by other means

[LegendZilla]

For a while, I've been toying with the idea of Jet Jaguar starting out as a toy robot, only to get weaponized by the millitary, despite his creator's objections. War profiteers will attempt to promote and exploit JJ's image.

[ShinGojiX98]

Defeat, yes. Destroy, not so much.

Yeah, indeed. Despite be able to defeated them Godzilla shouldn't be able to kill them to easy. They could at least make him struggle and resist the atomic breath for a reason or another.

Ya it could mirror the Showa version, where Godzilla could at least be a sympathetic victim of nuclear weapons, but KG has no real sympathetic qualities, making Godzilla confront his own antagonism

If Noriko had get Godzilla's Cells then maybe more or less they could be able to communicate with each other. Interesting this idea of make Godzilla confront his own antagonism by facing KG.

I'm a big Godzilla fan too, but tbh, he's lost to weaker foes. I don't mind seeing my heroes lose. Just like in Infinity War

Indeed he was supposed to having lost again Kong in the GVK 1962 and needed human's help in some occasion, like again Hedorah and Keizer Ghidorah.

He'd need to go up against a truly diabolical foe in that case. However, like in previous movies, he could be temporarily defeated by other means

Considering how Shin Godzilla get defeated they could pull out something for Minus Goji as well.

Maybe Kiryu's Absolute 0 Cannon could frozen all of his cells or like I said previously they could make Hedorah's attacks so devastating that despite his regeneration he could troubles to totally heal.

However if they would continue with this Goji then other monsters that haven't particularly strong attacks like Anguirus and Rodan should have the same regeneration as well otherwise it wouldn't make sense for them believe they stand a change again him.

Considering that the Minus Goji's Regeneration was something that had before get nuked which have make him be able to survive from ancient times then same could be for Anguirus and Rodan. They too could be portrayed as prehistoric monsters who evolved into Super Organisms whose exposure to nuclear materials made them even stronger and unnatural.

[MVHutch]

For a while, I've been toying with the idea of Jet Jaguar starting out as a toy robot, only to get weaponized by the millitary, despite his creator's objections. War profiteers will attempt to promote and exploit JJ's image.

That's a possibility. either that, or he's the tool of some arrogant techno bro

On a similar note, I had a possibly crazy idea to update the whole Shobijin storyline: Mothra has a normal sized medium who comes from Infant Island, an island in the pacific subjected to colonization, but goes to Japan to become a J-pop star.

Yeah, indeed. Despite be able to defeated them Godzilla shouldn't be able to kill them to easy. They could at least make him struggle and resist the atomic breath for a reason or another.

Exactly. At least have some resistance to his heat ray. Or with Mothra, her scales reflect his heat ray back at him.

If Noriko had get Godzilla's Cells then maybe more or less they could be able to communicate with each other. Interesting this idea of make Godzilla confront his own antagonism by facing KG.

Ya basically like how it happened in the Showa Era, but updated (so instead of the Shobijin saying 'oh Godzilla what terrible language,' they straight up translate all his swear words ). Maybe Mothra can use her psychic powers to help Godzilla shift towards being more of an ally, so we can see more of his pain as a victim of nuclear power.

As for Noriko, some speculate she'll turn into Biollante

Indeed he was supposed to having lost again Kong in the GVK 1962 and needed human's help in some occasion, like again Hedorah and Keizer Ghidorah.

Aha, losing to Kong alone felt ridiculous to me. They just did it because Kong was more popular at the time. GvK got it right by showing Godzilla is way stronger than Kong (and I love Kong but he shouldn't be able to beat Godzilla my himself imo)

Considering how Shin Godzilla get defeated they could pull out something for Minus Goji as well.

Maybe Kiryu's Absolute 0 Cannon could frozen all of his cells or like I said previously they could make Hedorah's attacks so devastating that despite his regeneration he could troubles to totally heal.

I think freeze powers should work the opposite of heat powers, so being heat by a freeze ray would drain him of his energy, making his own heat ray weaker.

as for Hedora, I think that works. Hedorah could have an anti-healing ability, where they inject some kind of toxic substance which negates healing. Or Kumonga could have that too.

However if they would continue with this Goji then other monsters that haven't particularly strong attacks like Anguirus and Rodan should have the same regeneration as well otherwise it wouldn't make sense for them believe they stand a change again him.

Considering that the Minus Goji's Regeneration was something that had before get nuked which have make him be able to survive from ancient times then same could be for Anguirus and Rodan. They too could be portrayed as prehistoric monsters who evolved into Super Organisms whose exposure to nuclear materials made them even stronger and unnatural.

Either regeneration or some level of resistance. Also Rodan can fly, is almost as strong as Godzilla and can blow Godzilla down with hurricane-force winds (something missing from post-Showa versions of the character, unfortunately). So he can also dodge Godzilla's heat ray and attack him from above.

If they bring back Kamacuras and/or Kumonga, they could also tie them into climate change because they were originally created by nuclear energy disseminated from a weather controlling machine. They could do something like that but more modernized

[Vakanai]

Minus Goji's regeneration is another reason why I think they should just make a new Godzilla and continuity if they want to do a shared universe/continuity thing again - he'd be too powerful and indestructible against most any threat they could think up. That said, I'm still personally hoping Reiwa just continues to follow Millennium's game plan of largely unconnected films set in their own separate continuities with the exception of the occasional sequel or something. I really don't need to see a line of films with the same Godzilla anymore, outside of possibly television.

[ShinGojiX98]

Exactly. At least have some resistance to his heat ray. Or with Mothra, her scales reflect his heat ray back at him.

Yeah. For me Rodan could be able partially absorb the heat of radiations for boosting himself and reducing the damages, Anguirus's dorsal spines could be charged with nuclear's energy so he too could reduces the damaged of being hit by Atomic Breath. Mothra beside her reflective's scales could use tranquilizing pollen capable of slightly weakening him and reducing his aggressive attitude.

Ya basically like how it happened in the Showa Era, but updated (so instead of the Shobijin saying 'oh Godzilla what terrible language,' they straight up translate all his swear words ). Maybe Mothra can use her psychic powers to help Godzilla shift towards being more of an ally, so we can see more of his pain as a victim of nuclear power.

As for Noriko, some speculate she'll turn into Biollante

Yeah they could make Mothra able communicate with Godzilla and make him less aggressive, however they should avoid make them too much friendly to each other otherwise they end up copy the MV.

When it comes Noriko there is the fact her pajama in that scene have some flowers drawn over it. It could have been just a coincidence, but I like to think it could have been a sort of teaser. If they want go more to a horror/dramatic's direction instead of turn Noriko into Biollante they instead can make her becoming something like those Scrapped Female Shin's Goji's Fith Form.

I wonder how Koichi could react to Noriko becoming a Monster? I believe that the Noriko's Dramma could triggered him to become MechaGodzilla's Pilot, although they shouldn't be able to make MechaGodzilla unless they wouldn't get some kind of help from a alien's race.

Aha, losing to Kong alone felt ridiculous to me. They just did it because Kong was more popular at the time. GvK got it right by showing Godzilla is way stronger than Kong (and I love Kong but he shouldn't be able to beat Godzilla my himself imo)

Well at least that Kong have electric's powers and that Godzilla wasn't so much a "Big Winner". You know I would like if MV Kong as well get some powers of his own, even if is already too late for that.

I think freeze powers should work the opposite of heat powers, so being heat by a freeze ray would drain him of his energy, making his own heat ray weaker.

as for Hedora, I think that works. Hedorah could have an anti-healing ability, where they inject some kind of toxic substance which negates healing. Or Kumonga could have that too.

Yeah, having his inner temperature being reduced should make him weak. They could say something like that his body his using his radiations for warming up his body after being frozen so he haven't enough energy for strike with same power as usual.

Yeah, they could give to Hedorah extremely powerful toxic's attacks capable to really damaged Godzilla despite his regeneration. When it comes Kumonga and others monsters based on insects and arachnids could give them more powerful poisons.

Either regeneration or some level of resistance. Also Rodan can fly, is almost as strong as Godzilla and can blow Godzilla down with hurricane-force winds (something missing from post-Showa versions of the character, unfortunately). So he can also dodge Godzilla's heat ray and attack him from above.

If they bring back Kamacuras and/or Kumonga, they could also tie them into climate change because they were originally created by nuclear energy disseminated from a weather controlling machine. They could do something like that but more modernized

Giving back to Rodan the ability to hurl extremely strong winds would be nice.

Kumonga and Kamacuras could be prehistoric creatures originating from some sort of places similar to Skull Island or the Hollow Earth and having been captured for experiments and then ended up becoming giant monsters

Minus Goji's regeneration is another reason why I think they should just make a new Godzilla and continuity if they want to do a shared universe/continuity thing again - he'd be too powerful and indestructible against most any threat they could think up.

They could pull out something for being able to challenge him. I mean at end of day there were able to neutralize him without using something like the Oxygen Destroyer. Moreover this Godzilla can't fire the Atomic Breather whenever he want, also it end even burned himself.

That said, I'm still personally hoping Reiwa just continues to follow Millennium's game plan of largely unconnected films set in their own separate continuities with the exception of the occasional sequel or something. I really don't need to see a line of films with the same Godzilla anymore, outside of possibly television.

I wouldn't mind another New Modern Godzilla but I believe sooner or later they could try to make a kind of sequel's series.

[Vakanai]

Well at least that Kong have electric's powers and that Godzilla wasn't so much a "Big Winner". You know I would like if MV Kong as well get some powers of his own, even if is already too late for that.

As I stepped out of the MV and will no longer watch another movie from that sub-branch of the franchise again and therefore don't care of MV Kong gets powers or whatever else, it's also this whole kind of thinking in the first place that made GvK so awful for me in the first place that I swore off ever watching it or any sequels or spin offs of it. It's the sort of film exemplified by the kind of thinking about power levels and who should win in a fight and "powers" in general over good story telling. There's a segment of the fandom who only cared if Godzilla won and Kong lost, rather than plot, character motivation, and characterization. I loved the Godzilla from the 2014 film, as poorly paced and ridiculous as it got I loved the Godzilla from KOTM, but GvK's Godzilla wasn't that same Godzilla even if it's the "same continuity" - the GvK Godzilla was basically transformed into a monkey hating irrational devil incarnate psycho-killer crocodile just to create conflict and act as Kong's villain rather than anyone putting in the actual work to come up with a decent motivation why the 2014/KOTM Godzilla and Kong would fight. And no Godzilla needing Kong to "bow to the King" and Godzilla considering literally the entire surface of earth as "his territory" aren't good story reasons.

I don't want that kind of thinking to trickle down to current Toho and their future films. I love fights and displays of power, but it should be in service or the story, not a detriment to it. Giving Kong powers is that kind of thinking. He didn't need electric powers in the original, that was dumb. And Godzilla is not that much more powerful than Kong - Godzilla's only power over Kong is his atomic ray. Just make Kong either durable enough to tank the hit or agile enough to dodge it and you've got a good fight that either can realistically win. But fandom/fandumb thinking tends to override that...

(Sorry for the rant, I just see this sort of thing pop up and every once in a while I need to repudiate it since I never see anyone else do it. But that's my bi-annual complaining of the MV/GvK done for this half of the year.)

They could pull out something for being able to challenge him. I mean at end of day there were able to neutralize him without using something like the Oxygen Destroyer. Moreover this Godzilla can't fire the Atomic Breather whenever he want, also it end even burned himself.

True - but that complicates the process if for every film in the new "era" they need to think up a new way to neutralize his regeneration. Like for one sequel or so it's no biggie. But if they go back to an ongoing continuity like you want? Eventually having to take the regeneration into account every film will become a bad meme of its own. Or the equally lame "plot to take away the power so we can weaken him for the next sequels" thing.

I wouldn't mind another New Modern Godzilla but I believe sooner or later they could try to make a kind of sequel's series.

They could - but they could also just as easily not. Why specifically do they need to or should they? Doing two extremely wild takes has given them two widely acclaimed hits, won them awards, and has made them so much money and different brands of merchandise, I mean they're selling both Shin and Minus One merch easily in Japan. Plus there's the fact that, even if I dropped out and won't watch it anymore, they already have an ongoing continuity in the MV so that is already being handled. Do wee need a second ongoing continuity? At that point it feels like continuity for continuity's sake. If a director wants a sequel sure let them make it - but otherwise, let each new director make their own version.

[MVHutch]

Minus Goji's regeneration is another reason why I think they should just make a new Godzilla and continuity if they want to do a shared universe/continuity thing again - he'd be too powerful and indestructible against most any threat they could think up. That said, I'm still personally hoping Reiwa just continues to follow Millennium's game plan of largely unconnected films set in their own separate continuities with the exception of the occasional sequel or something. I really don't need to see a line of films with the same Godzilla anymore, outside of possibly television.

I actually would prefer they not do the Millennium 'every movie reboots' tbh

Yeah. For me Rodan could be able partially absorb the heat of radiations for boosting himself and reducing the damages, Anguirus's dorsal spines could be charged with nuclear's energy so he too could reduces the damaged of being hit by Atomic Breath. Mothra beside her reflective's scales could use tranquilizing pollen capable of slightly weakening him and reducing his aggressive attitude.

Yeah they could make Mothra able communicate with Godzilla and make him less aggressive, however they should avoid make them too much friendly to each other otherwise they end up copy the MV.

They definitely shouldn't be friends. Just allies

When it comes Noriko there is the fact her pajama in that scene have some flowers drawn over it. It could have been just a coincidence, but I like to think it could have been a sort of teaser. If they want go more to a horror/dramatic's direction instead of turn Noriko into Biollante they instead can make her becoming something like those Scrapped Female Shin's Goji's Fith Form.

What was the 5th form?

I wonder how Koichi could react to Noriko becoming a Monster? I believe that the Noriko's Dramma could triggered him to become MechaGodzilla's Pilot, although they shouldn't be able to make MechaGodzilla unless they wouldn't get some kind of help from a alien's race.

Depends on when the sequel is. I feel like the sequel will probably be in modern times for Godzilla to regenerate.

I'd love MechaG to return but as an AI without a pilot

Well at least that Kong have electric's powers and that Godzilla wasn't so much a "Big Winner". You know I would like if MV Kong as well get some powers of his own, even if is already too late for that.

I personally prefer Kong to not have any flashy powers

Yeah, having his inner temperature being reduced should make him weak. They could say something like that his body his using his radiations for warming up his body after being frozen so he haven't enough energy for strike with same power as usual.

Yeah, they could give to Hedorah extremely powerful toxic's attacks capable to really damaged Godzilla despite his regeneration. When it comes Kumonga and others monsters based on insects and arachnids could give them more powerful poisons.

Exactly. Also either Kumonga or Kamacuras having invisibility would be cool

Giving back to Rodan the ability to hurl extremely strong winds would be nice.

Kumonga and Kamacuras could be prehistoric creatures originating from some sort of places similar to Skull Island or the Hollow Earth and having been captured for experiments and then ended up becoming giant monsters

possibly ya. maybe they battled Godzilla in the past.