Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

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I have to disagree with you on the first point. Minilla has this perpetual look on his face like he just shat himself in front of a large group of people.

The puppets, though, are indeed amazing, with my only complaint being that, they being puppets, any downward-directed blows don't have any force behind them, so it makes them feel a little weak or halfhearted.
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I find it weird that people still dump on this Godzilla suit. The monster has had so many different looks over the past 20 years that at this point I'm just numb to how it looks. Personally, I think he looks fine.

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Legion1979 wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:54 am I find it weird that people still dump on this Godzilla suit. The monster has had so many different looks over the past 20 years that at this point I'm just numb to how it looks. Personally, I think he looks fine.
I agree. It's my second least favorite Showa suit after 55, but I don't get the vitriol against it. I think the look of the 67 suit captures the "beleaguered parent" vibes they were going for. At this point, the only Godzilla design that I actively dislike is Ultima.
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People have such weird preconceived notions of what Godzilla should be that they totally miss the forest for the trees with the intent of this suit. Like you said: beleaguered parent. If this Godzilla had a voice he'd sound like Papa Bear from Chuck Jones' Three Bears cartoons. "SHADDUP JUNIOR!!"

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I mean, I forgot about the suit's looks by the middle of the movie; it's just that the first few times we see him he vaguely resembles a fish suffering in its last moments, which kind of makes it hard to take seriously.
KKvG's suit is another example of this sort of problem; in certain situations/angles the suit looks good, and other times it just doesn't. In the end, though, I guess it's all just complaining when you boil it down.
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Here's a question:

I've seen a lot of people cite the Kumonga and Kamacuras props as "some of Tsubaraya's best", both in terms of how they look and the puppetry used to move them. Because of this, I just sort of assumed that Tsubaraya was the special effects director, but turns out that's not the case.

This guy is:
https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Sadamasa_Arikawa

I believe this guy was a close worker/partner of Tsuburaya, but it seems unfair to not give him proper awknoledgement.
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He's called Teisho Arikawa on this site. He's also listed as director of special effects for SOG.
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edgaguirus wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:11 pm He's called Teisho Arikawa on this site. He's also listed as director of special effects for SOG.
In either case, what his actual name is, that confirms it's a bit strange people keep erronously giving credit to Tsubaraya. Now, Tsubaraya is credited for some SFX stuff, but it reads more like he came in a few times and gave advice versus his involvement in earlier works.
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Silliest reason to be excited and revive this topic.
So I'm heading out of Fred Meyer, west coast department chain. Going past the entertainment/electronics and on their biggest tv isn't the usual new release like Dune Part II but this one. It was at the part Godzilla was smashing up camp and the Kamacuras were abusing Minya.
I was in a rush but asked one worker who picked what played on that tv, it was whoever opened but we were both like 'yeah it's surprising alright.'
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Not all heroes wear capes.

On a side note, I was just thinking that it's interesting that this movie came out in the same year as Gappa. Obviously there are certain similarities, with the plots revolving around the relationship between parent and child kaiju, and both end on huggy, heartwarming notes. Both feature kaiju eggs found on remote islands, and out-of-control science causing problems with the monsters. Coincidence? Or did Gappa provide some inspiration for SoG eight months later? Given how quickly these movies were shotgunned out back then, that seems like a plausible timeframe.
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Remember that Gappa is clearly based on Gorgo. Meanwhile 1967 was the peak year of the monster boom, with 5 different daikaiju films being released from 4 major studios. It was all probably just a big coincidence considering the volume of studio output.

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There have been several movies with Son of titles, from Dracula to Frankenstein to Kong. I'm not sure if this had anything to do with Godzilla getting a child, or someone at Toho thought a young Godzilla would get more kids to watch the movie.
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edgaguirus wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 12:46 pm There have been several movies with Son of titles, from Dracula to Frankenstein to Kong. I'm not sure if this had anything to do with Godzilla getting a child, or someone at Toho thought a young Godzilla would get more kids to watch the movie.
Those movies...or more so their titles were more just the inspiration for the movies american name. You're dead on with Minya being designed as kids sort of self insert. This ideas further expanded on in All Monsters Attack.

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JAGzilla wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:49 am Not all heroes wear capes.

On a side note, I was just thinking that it's interesting that this movie came out in the same year as Gappa. Obviously there are certain similarities, with the plots revolving around the relationship between parent and child kaiju, and both end on huggy, heartwarming notes. Both feature kaiju eggs found on remote islands, and out-of-control science causing problems with the monsters. Coincidence? Or did Gappa provide some inspiration for SoG eight months later? Given how quickly these movies were shotgunned out back then, that seems like a plausible timeframe.
Oh, I hadn't noticed that! But yeah, it was probably just a coincidence considering from what I recall Son of Godzilla is the scaled down version of Two Godzillas: Japan S.O.S., the project they were looking to follow up Invasion of Astro Monster with before Operation Robinson Crusoe was retooled from a Kong movie to a Godzilla movie. So, in a world where Kong got to fight Ebirah we would've gotten Son of Godzilla (or some version of it at least) in 1966 rather than 1967.

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While there's superficial similarities between Son of Godzilla and Gappa, it really ends beyond some simple plot framing. Son of Godzilla is about Godzilla accepting Minilla as a son, Minilla growing up, and scientists enduring a hellish island filled with monsters and danger. Gappa has a child monster, but the parents instinctually love Baby Gappa who is helpless and basically a damsel.

I can see that it's part of a larger trend of monster parents, but I don't think Gappa is the primary cause. I imagine something like Gorgo or Mothra, as well as the market towards children+Ultraman being more of an influence.
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Considering how popular Mothra and Ultraman are, I'd agree.
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