Unpopular Godzilla Opinions
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I think Monster X counts as an original kaiju, it bares a closer resemblance to Seabones from Ultraman than it does to anything from the Godzilla series. Keizer doesn't count because it's just quadrupedal Ghidorah and Salunga doesn't count because he's Gabara with a bit of Baragon. I see those two as "reimaginings" of existing kaiju. And yeah yeah, Monster X is proto-Keizer, but he has a different name and a distinct design. Much cooler, too. Just my two cents.
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I think Keizer Ghidorah counts as a new kaiju, in the same way Desghidorah does. It IS new, it's just a derivative of one. Thinking Pokemon here. Not so much a regional form, but like those convergent evolution mons in Scarlet and Violet.
I do admit it is kind of weak, but I think it counts for something. I think Kiryu is almost there, the public at large sees it as Mechagodzilla. For trademark purposes, its marketed as Mechagodzilla, but to some fans (me included), I can't call it Mechagodzilla because Kiryu is their name and is ALMOST their own character.
Kinda like Batman (Terry McGuiness) is still Batman, but is their own character.
I do admit it is kind of weak, but I think it counts for something. I think Kiryu is almost there, the public at large sees it as Mechagodzilla. For trademark purposes, its marketed as Mechagodzilla, but to some fans (me included), I can't call it Mechagodzilla because Kiryu is their name and is ALMOST their own character.
Kinda like Batman (Terry McGuiness) is still Batman, but is their own character.
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Kiryu is treated as more living than machine in the duology, and that does set it apart from the pure robot MGs.
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MechaGodzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah and Godzilla all have at least one variation that you can argue can stand as their own character.
For Mothra there is Leo(I can't remember if Leo has his own trademark). MechaGodzilla there is Kiryu. Ghidorah has Void Ghidorah from TPE(Death and Keizer are varied enough) than Godzilla has G98 and to a lesser degree Shin Godzilla.
For Mothra there is Leo(I can't remember if Leo has his own trademark). MechaGodzilla there is Kiryu. Ghidorah has Void Ghidorah from TPE(Death and Keizer are varied enough) than Godzilla has G98 and to a lesser degree Shin Godzilla.
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Leo's trademark ismiguelnuva wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:55 pm MechaGodzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah and Godzilla all have at least one variation that you can argue can stand as their own character.
For Mothra there is Leo(I can't remember if Leo has his own trademark). MechaGodzilla there is Kiryu. Ghidorah has Void Ghidorah from TPE(Death and Keizer are varied enough) than Godzilla has G98 and to a lesser degree Shin Godzilla.
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We need a like button on the forum, this is gold.godjacob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:54 pmLeo's trademark ismiguelnuva wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:55 pm MechaGodzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah and Godzilla all have at least one variation that you can argue can stand as their own character.
For Mothra there is Leo(I can't remember if Leo has his own trademark). MechaGodzilla there is Kiryu. Ghidorah has Void Ghidorah from TPE(Death and Keizer are varied enough) than Godzilla has G98 and to a lesser degree Shin Godzilla.asspull"unique" power ups and the dub team being incredibly confused on its gender.
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You know thinking back to about how Godzilla Jr is a trans kaiju on twitter or something to that effect I'm surprised Leo hasn't been used as the LGBTQ kaiju stand in. Leo has a rainbow form and has been giving both male and female pronouns before to my understanding.
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Rodan has one too, in the form of those oversized pteranodons in Singular Point.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:55 pm MechaGodzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah and Godzilla all have at least one variation that you can argue can stand as their own character.
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I think Heisei Rodan is a distinct character from the Showa version. It's just nobody here likes that version or any Rodan who isn't "Godzilla's equal" apparently.
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I mean, I like Millennium Rodan, but that guy absolutely got his ass kicked.
Heisei Rodan was just always the weakest design wise for me.
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Heisei Rodan always came off as a prehistoric brainlet imo. He knew how to do damage but there never seemed to be much going on in that noggin beyond "Protect Brudder and go brrrrr"
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At least Showa and MV have some semblance of intelligence.
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Heisei has a mostly good design, but was just let down by Heisei execution. Power wise, he honestly wasn't bad. He gave Godzilla a fight, damaged Mechagodzilla and took a serious beating before he went down, and then used the last of his strength to give Godzilla a boost. Can't argue with that as a last stand.
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My only issue with Heisei Rodan is his generic design. Character-wise I like him a lot.
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I agree with this. Heisei Rodan looks beautiful in the Pipesorks trilogy games, where he’s far more mobile and flexible. Not to mention larger, and with a smaller head and larger wing spawn to compensate for his increased size.
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I know this may be sacrilege because of their CGI and being from an American production but GKOTM has my favorite incarnations of Rodan and ESPECIALLY King Ghidorah. I guess you can make an argument that this was accomplished because of the CGI, but my reason for them being my favorite incarnations is because of how they perfectly captured both Rodan and KG as CHARACTERS and not merely monsters. I think GKOTM is the first American film based on Toho's characters to actually treat them as characters with personalities, emotions, and desires of their own even if those desires are as simple as "fight" or "destroy". Personally I also feel that this KG was the moat frightening he's ever been since GTTHM.
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I can understand that take. Summoning a CATEGORY SIX hurricane is scary. I've lived through a category 5, twice in my life. They were scary moments for sure. A six is something I daren't imagine.
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GKOTM is easily my fav incarnation of Ghidorah we've ever had. He's everything I've ever wanted from the King of Terror and regardless of what issues I have with the movie his portrayal was a true highlight.
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That's something the Monsterverse has been fantastic at, is utilizing the advantages of CGI to load the kaiju down with life and personality. There are any number of lame, soulless CGI monsters out there, but Legendary brought in people who care to animate Godzilla and friends. Whatever issues I have with the actual movies, the monsters are consistently great.
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