Godzilla: King of the Monsters - General Discussion

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GoldenGoat2000 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:41 pm
CyberZilla wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:01 pm
GoldenGoat2000 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:54 pm

The director of the movie actually said that Godzilla ALONE defeated Ghidorah in Antarctica on Twitter. A simple 1v1, no powerups involved. Godzilla won.

If you've read the novels, you'd know that the KoTM novelization calls Godzilla Ghidorah's tormentor. Plus there's a line that strait up says "even without Mothra's help, Godzilla was still slaughtering Ghidorah". Not winning, not gaining the upper hand. Slaughtering.

And one last thing, Rodan's a pissant in that movie.
Hmm. It really doesn’t come off that way that Ghiddy is losing the Antarctic fight. Godzilla was definitely getting him, but it felt more even than anything when watching it.

And in Boston, even with the power up, Godzilla wasn’t getting enough damage on him, not til he went thermo. he did better than before until Ghidorah ate the generator. There’s a reason they had to distract Ghiddy before the final part of the clash.

Based on observable evidence from the film, this wasn’t as one sided as you posited.

No no no, not the one in the movie. When Ghidorah was originally frozen in ice, Godzilla soloed.

Seriously, if you get a chance, read the novelizations. (They're actually pretty great reads) Idk how to post images here, but I would show you the exact page. It does say Godzilla was finishing off Ghidorah before the one head ate the power grid

Logging in to dispute this.

Usually, if novelization contend contradicts on screen content, it's lesser canon - film takes canonical priority.

The film showed us, clearly, outside of the water, Ghidorah in 2019 outclassed Godzilla.

Godzilla was not slaughtering Ghidorah. An amped Godzilla fought evenly, with a slight advantage vs Ghidorah. Ghidorah casually amped himself, and more or less had Godzilla's life in his hands in less than a few minutes.

Ghidorah was clearly Godzilla's superior at this point in their lives. Godzilla was still king, but without Mothra's intervention, Ghidorah generally would have been able to kill an amped Godzilla. That's what happened.

Ghidorah is the most powerful monster in the MV, and would have destroyed Mechagodzilla too.

As for their non-existent Antarctica fight...all we know is that Godzilla won, and it ended with Ghidorah generally drowning.

I'd imagine their fight was near water and playing tl Godzilla's strengths. We don't know. There's no content in canon other than statement which provides any detail to their fight. All we have for canonical combat is Godzilla needing loads and loads of help to defeat Ghidorah, who found a way to put a nuke amped Godzilla at his mercy.

Ghidorah was out of Godzilla's weight class in that film.
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GoldenGoat2000 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:27 am (i would have edited my last comment, but it was to late to)
The monsters and stuff in here look great. And they have a good human cast. They just wrote it all wrong here. The family drama is uninteresting and the side characters are either boring or annoying. And Ghidorah got nerfed to hard to feel threatening, it gets more clear how much he was disrespected in the novel.
Agree with most of this; I'll add that Rodan got an even shorter stick than King Ghidorah.
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The director says Godzilla won the Antarctica fight, but that doesn't match what we see on-screen. Ghidorah casually dodges Godzilla's strongest base level attack, the atomic ray, and returns fire to put Godzilla on his ass. Ghidorah at this point has the advantage. He could press the attack, but the arrival of the Argo as an irritating distraction interrupts him. He decides, with no input from the grounded Godzilla, that he would prefer to go juice up with the volcano and put himself in an even more advantageous position. That's not a defeat, that's a voluntary forfeit.
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Jaqua92 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:52 pm
GoldenGoat2000 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:41 pm
CyberZilla wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:01 pm

Hmm. It really doesn’t come off that way that Ghiddy is losing the Antarctic fight. Godzilla was definitely getting him, but it felt more even than anything when watching it.

And in Boston, even with the power up, Godzilla wasn’t getting enough damage on him, not til he went thermo. he did better than before until Ghidorah ate the generator. There’s a reason they had to distract Ghiddy before the final part of the clash.

Based on observable evidence from the film, this wasn’t as one sided as you posited.

No no no, not the one in the movie. When Ghidorah was originally frozen in ice, Godzilla soloed.

Seriously, if you get a chance, read the novelizations. (They're actually pretty great reads) Idk how to post images here, but I would show you the exact page. It does say Godzilla was finishing off Ghidorah before the one head ate the power grid

Logging in to dispute this.

Usually, if novelization contend contradicts on screen content, it's lesser canon - film takes canonical priority.

The film showed us, clearly, outside of the water, Ghidorah in 2019 outclassed Godzilla.

Godzilla was not slaughtering Ghidorah. An amped Godzilla fought evenly, with a slight advantage vs Ghidorah. Ghidorah casually amped himself, and more or less had Godzilla's life in his hands in less than a few minutes.

Ghidorah was clearly Godzilla's superior at this point in their lives. Godzilla was still king, but without Mothra's intervention, Ghidorah generally would have been able to kill an amped Godzilla. That's what happened.

Ghidorah is the most powerful monster in the MV, and would have destroyed Mechagodzilla too.

As for their non-existent Antarctica fight...all we know is that Godzilla won, and it ended with Ghidorah generally drowning.

I'd imagine their fight was near water and playing tl Godzilla's strengths. We don't know. There's no content in canon other than statement which provides any detail to their fight. All we have for canonical combat is Godzilla needing loads and loads of help to defeat Ghidorah, who found a way to put a nuke amped Godzilla at his mercy.

Ghidorah was out of Godzilla's weight class in that film.
If I remember correctly, Michael said that Ghidorah was shot out of the air and was trapped beneath the ice by Godzilla, kinda like in FW. That one small guidebook that came with a Shin Godzilla statue also states the same thing.

I would argue against the novelization being a lesser canon. In a lot of media, they provide the most details. Think Hunger Games. The books explain why some of the characters are afraid to go I to the sewers in the 3rd book, but the movie version doesn't explain it.
I at least personally view the novels on the same level of canon due to a lot of media I read and watch having more detailed books. I can get why others wouldn't feel the same way.

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JAGzilla wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:14 pm The director says Godzilla won the Antarctica fight, but that doesn't match what we see on-screen. Ghidorah casually dodges Godzilla's strongest base level attack, the atomic ray, and returns fire to put Godzilla on his ass. Ghidorah at this point has the advantage. He could press the attack, but the arrival of the Argo as an irritating distraction interrupts him. He decides, with no input from the grounded Godzilla, that he would prefer to go juice up with the volcano and put himself in an even more advantageous position. That's not a defeat, that's a voluntary forfeit.
Not that Antarctica fight. That was a tie cause of Monarch interference like you said.

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I'm not gonna keep posting about this very much, I normally try to avoid arguments.
But from what I've seen, base Godzilla and Ghidorah are equals (as supported by the previously mentioned guidebook and Micheal). Amped Godzilla is superior to Ghidorah (as shown in the novelization and in how Ghidorah didn't lay very many hits in the fight on screen). And amped Ghidorah beats Godzilla. (Why are there so many amps in KoTM?)

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Is it just me or does this Behemoth creature at the end here look kinda familiar?
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Gotschiller wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:14 pm Is it just me or does this Behemoth creature at the end here look kinda familiar?
If I was Legendary I'd be getting my lawyers on standby, but that's just me lol

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_JNavs_ wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:29 pm
Gotschiller wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:14 pm Is it just me or does this Behemoth creature at the end here look kinda familiar?
If I was Legendary I'd be getting my lawyers on standby, but that's just me lol

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If it was just the design, I wouldn't think much of it, but with the title....hmmm. Yeah, the resemblance is pretty striking. I checked some of Behemoth's art and even the hands match. We'll have to see more of this.

Any chance this might actually be official and connected to the MV, but just isn't being advertised as such?
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