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Spuro wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:23 am Singular Point's CGI is just ugly. Why they couldn't just do traditional 2D animation for the monsters, I'll never understand. CGI in anime is always so unsightly.
I would agree, but the obvious answer to the question is due to budget concerns. Plus it’s much more easier and quicker to do, if they were doing traditional 2D this series wouldn’t come out until 2025
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Shin looks good in the movie and Earth sucks either way, but it was the SHMA figure that properly sold me on Ultima. The actual animation model left no impression on me.
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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:27 am Honestly, as much as I love the Reiwa gojis, I agree. It took seeing physical figures and statues to really appreciate the designs instead of an overall "meh. It's ok". Though the fact that was when we barely had an idea of the design from marketing certainly didn't help

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Spuro wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:23 am Singular Point's CGI is just ugly. Why they couldn't just do traditional 2D animation for the monsters, I'll never understand. CGI in anime is always so unsightly.
BIG, BIG FUCKING AGREE.

The CGI/traditional blend works imo but I'd give it all up for 2D kaiju in a HEARTBEAT
DOUBLE BIG, BIG FUCKING AGREE.

A HUGE reason I haven't given the anime trilogy or SP a chance is that, on a deep visceral level, I haaaaate the animation in these things. This hybrid thing they (and a of of other things) do is just gross. It's ugly, soulless and is an artistic nightmare. I dont mind full CGI, but since these things are never going to have that, please just go full 2D animation.

Maybe we can get a Godzilla that can actually fucking do something again.

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Bring back a Showa style Godzilla. I wanna see Goji do some crazy shit and be active.
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Legion1979 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:31 pm
SoggyNoodles2016 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:27 am Honestly, as much as I love the Reiwa gojis, I agree. It took seeing physical figures and statues to really appreciate the designs instead of an overall "meh. It's ok". Though the fact that was when we barely had an idea of the design from marketing certainly didn't help

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Spuro wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:23 am Singular Point's CGI is just ugly. Why they couldn't just do traditional 2D animation for the monsters, I'll never understand. CGI in anime is always so unsightly.
BIG, BIG FUCKING AGREE.

The CGI/traditional blend works imo but I'd give it all up for 2D kaiju in a HEARTBEAT
DOUBLE BIG, BIG FUCKING AGREE.

A HUGE reason I haven't given the anime trilogy or SP a chance is that, on a deep visceral level, I haaaaate the animation in these things. This hybrid thing they (and a of of other things) do is just gross. It's ugly, soulless and is an artistic nightmare. I dont mind full CGI, but since these things are never going to have that, please just go full 2D animation.

Maybe we can get a Godzilla that can actually fucking do something again.
The anime trilogy is completely 3D. Personally I think it looked a lot more polished than the 3D in SP.

I like the hybrid style if it works, like the newest Attack on Titan season. Singular Point looked so weird to me because the CG models didn't match the artstyle of anything around it.

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Voyager wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:56 pm Godzilla Ultima looks better in just about every artwork I've seen than the actual show.
Agreed, specifically with the October 2020 promotional art. It's probably just the way his head is angled but it looks way, way better than any other depiction of Ultima that came after.

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About Singular Point's kaiju animation: I love Orange's work on the series but it would be a lie to say that I would've loved to see the kaiju always be animated in 2D. Heck, the few moments we got to see Salunga, Jet Jaguar Z, and the Rodans in 2D looked absolutely amazing. However, that might've been extremely difficult considering the complexity of certain designs (most notably Anguirus). Plus, the visual disconnect kinda works in the show's favor since the kaiju are, y'know, essentially from a different universe.

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I get that the kaiju designs in SP are weird, but I like the human designs.

Like I said elsewhere, Godzilla vs. Kong was a breezy watch for me (and I like that).
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Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.

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LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
Every time you complain about this, I want Toho to do more stand alones.
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LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
I agree. The film series that, imo, has the bset sense of continuity is the Star Wars series.

I've seen all 11 films and not only did I like the entire saga, the continuity between all the films was absolutely perfect. Everything led into, and was connected with, everything that came before and after.

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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:34 pm
LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
Every time you complain about this, I want Toho to do more stand alones.
Okay, but how would you react if Toho actually did decide to do a continuity spanning multiple films again?
mikelcho wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:44 pm I've seen all 11 films and not only did I like the entire saga, the continuity between all the films was absolutely perfect. Everything led into, and was connected with, everything that came before and after.
The creative struggle between Abrams and Johnson not withstanding that is.
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LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:45 pm
SoggyNoodles2016 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:34 pm
LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
Every time you complain about this, I want Toho to do more stand alones.
Okay, but how would you react if Toho actually did decide to do a continuity spanning multiple films again?
Wouldn't give a shit unless the movies were good.

Cause continuity and a shared universe is dressing on a film, not some integral detail Toho is soiling their films for not adding.
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LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:45 pm
SoggyNoodles2016 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:34 pm
LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
Every time you complain about this, I want Toho to do more stand alones.
Okay, but how would you react if Toho actually did decide to do a continuity spanning multiple films again?
mikelcho wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:44 pm I've seen all 11 films and not only did I like the entire saga, the continuity between all the films was absolutely perfect. Everything led into, and was connected with, everything that came before and after.
The creative struggle between Abrams and Johnson not withstanding that is.
Yeah, I guess you could say that, but I don't know all the details about that one.

The way I figure it, I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to end the Star Wars films right then and there. After all. Lucas's original concept of a "trio of trilogies" is finally finished after all these years and in spite of everything, and with all the extracurricular media (especially officially-sanctioned books, comic books, etc.) there's no need to make more films. Every gap conceivable (whether in Legends or in canon) has practically been filled. You know, get out while the gettting's good. It'd be a brave move - or a smart one.

But then again, when was the last time the Hollywood system ever did something that was both brave and/or smart?
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Varan shouldn't come back. Just not a fan.
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I doubt Varan ever will get another shot. While it would be a kind gesture to a kaiju that hasn't seen camera in years, Varan just doesn't have the PR that other dinosaurian kaiju do.
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Voyager wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:16 pm Varan shouldn't come back. Just not a fan.
Would it be any different than multiple Showa kaiju returning in Final Wars?

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Voyager wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:34 pm Bring back a Showa style Godzilla. I wanna see Goji do some crazy shit and be active.
Hard same. I want the silliness of the Showa era to be brought back and applied to its logical extreme.
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mikelcho wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:07 pm
LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:45 pm
SoggyNoodles2016 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:34 pm

Every time you complain about this, I want Toho to do more stand alones.
Okay, but how would you react if Toho actually did decide to do a continuity spanning multiple films again?
mikelcho wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:44 pm I've seen all 11 films and not only did I like the entire saga, the continuity between all the films was absolutely perfect. Everything led into, and was connected with, everything that came before and after.
The creative struggle between Abrams and Johnson not withstanding that is.
Yeah, I guess you could say that, but I don't know all the details about that one.

The way I figure it, I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to end the Star Wars films right then and there. After all. Lucas's original concept of a "trio of trilogies" is finally finished after all these years and in spite of everything, and with all the extracurricular media (especially officially-sanctioned books, comic books, etc.) there's no need to make more films. Every gap conceivable (whether in Legends or in canon) has practically been filled. You know, get out while the gettting's good. It'd be a brave move - or a smart one.

But then again, when was the last time the Hollywood system ever did something that was both brave and/or smart?
Star Wars (and IMHO the MCU, to an extent) probably should stick to serialized streaming series over feature films. At this point, that seems to be the definitive form of cinematic storytelling, for ongoing franchises at least. It allows for more complex stories and richer character development.
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mikelcho wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:44 pm
LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
I agree. The film series that, imo, has the bset sense of continuity is the Star Wars series.

I've seen all 11 films and not only did I like the entire saga, the continuity between all the films was absolutely perfect. Everything led into, and was connected with, everything that came before and after.
Star Wars is notorious for glaring, awkward ret-cons. As far back as, "Leia is my sister," things have been popping up that were unmistakably not part of the design of the original movie; and Lucasfilm has found it necessary to go back and alter aspects of the OT in order to conform to discrepancies introduced by later movies.
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eabaker wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:17 pm
mikelcho wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:44 pm
LegendZilla wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:15 pm Continuity can be a strength if done right. Yet Toho for the past 2 decades has treated it as little more than a hinderance.
I agree. The film series that, imo, has the bset sense of continuity is the Star Wars series.

I've seen all 11 films and not only did I like the entire saga, the continuity between all the films was absolutely perfect. Everything led into, and was connected with, everything that came before and after.
Star Wars is notorious for glaring, awkward ret-cons. As far back as, "Leia is my sister," things have been popping up that were unmistakably not part of the design of the original movie; and Lucasfilm has found it necessary to go back and alter aspects of the OT in order to conform to discrepancies introduced by later movies.
Question: what was the design of the first film? Do you even know? Does anyone know?
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