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GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:19 pm
miguelnuva wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:23 pmThen why did power rangers do so bad when he was all over the marketing and the film.

How much more do you think G14 would have taken in?
Because at the time of G14. Bryan Cranston's popularity was at the height of its peak. Show ended around eight months before the film came out.

By the time Power Rangers came out it had been a few years so it probably settled down.
Power rangers had way more potential and publicity going on for it than Godzilla 2014.
1. Bryan Cranston.
2. Longer span of time since a Power Rangers movie was in theaters vs a Godzilla movie (17 years between the turbo pr movie and the 2017 movie vs. 15 years between Sony Godzilla 98 and Legendary Godzilla 2014. Even longer if you want to say the last MMPR movie vs. Power Rangers 2017.)
3. Elizabeth Banks star power as well.
4. Cameos by the original Green Ranger and Pink Ranger.
5. Popularity of super hero films.
6. First super hero film to have an lbgt super hero and an autistic super hero.
7. Bigger fanbase than Godzilla.

Everyone on Toho Kingdom was worried it was going to blow Kong Skull island out of the water. By every metric, Power Rangers 2017 should have at least had a bigger opening weakened than Godzilla 2014, yet KOTM made more money in a single weekend than Power Rangers total box office.
GVK: TNE is a modern day 70s Showa Godzilla movie. Being a massive budget modern blockbuster CGI film instead of traditional 70s tokusatsu techniques doesn't change that.

Monsterverse is not similar to either MCU nor Bayformers just because all three are big budget CGI blockbuster franchises.

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darthzilla99 wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:21 pm
GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:19 pm
miguelnuva wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:23 pmThen why did power rangers do so bad when he was all over the marketing and the film.

How much more do you think G14 would have taken in?
Because at the time of G14. Bryan Cranston's popularity was at the height of its peak. Show ended around eight months before the film came out.

By the time Power Rangers came out it had been a few years so it probably settled down.
Power rangers had way more potential and publicity going on for it than Godzilla 2014.
1. Bryan Cranston.
2. Longer span of time since a Power Rangers movie was in theaters vs a Godzilla movie (17 years between the turbo pr movie and the 2017 movie vs. 15 years between Sony Godzilla 98 and Legendary Godzilla 2014. Even longer if you want to say the last MMPR movie vs. Power Rangers 2017.)
3. Elizabeth Banks star power as well.
4. Cameos by the original Green Ranger and Pink Ranger.
5. Popularity of super hero films.
6. First super hero film to have an lbgt super hero and an autistic super hero.
7. Bigger fanbase than Godzilla.

Everyone on Toho Kingdom was worried it was going to blow Kong Skull island out of the water. By every metric, Power Rangers 2017 should have at least had a bigger opening weakened than Godzilla 2014, yet KOTM made more money in a single weekend than Power Rangers total box office.
AFAIK the 2017 Power Rangers movie was under frequent ridicule by the general online populace well before it came out, due to it's attempt at more 'realistic' (the GA trend has been away from realism since mid-2010s) and ultimately uglier designs. That being said, going through your list:

1. Bryan Cranston is a disembodied, discoloured, and distorted head in the Power Rangers movie, and isn't focused on significantly in the marketing. In 2014, he's recognizably Bryan Cranston, plays a human character, and his dramatic monologues are the focus of much of the marketing. Also, like others have said, Bryan Cranston in 2014 is hot off the heels of Breaking Bad, which was still largely in public discussion. Breaking Bad fervor had died down significantly by 2017, and while still beloved, Bryan wasn't quite in the limelight like before.

2. I think that principle only applies to mega-cultural franchises, like Jurassic Park and Star Wars. If anything, those extra years are probably worse for Power Rangers.

3. No argument, but I did have to google to figure out who Elizabeth banks was.

4. I don't think that mattered all to much to the GA, nor was it particularly promoted.

5. While the movie definitely borrows a lot of superhero movie tropes, I think there's a decent level of separation by the general public of Power Rangers from superheroes.

6. Sure, in the same way that LeFou in Disney's 2017 Beauty and the Beast is the first openly gay Disney character.

7. I have no way to prove or deny that, but I'm fairly certain that, within certain limits, fandom size really has no impact over GA viewership. Also, in the hypothetical scenario that the Power Rangers fandom was big enough to have influence, it would be negative influence, due to distaste for the movie's rejection of the power rangers aesthetic that the fandom loves.
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GojiSquid wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:03 pm
darthzilla99 wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:21 pm
GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:19 pm
Because at the time of G14. Bryan Cranston's popularity was at the height of its peak. Show ended around eight months before the film came out.

By the time Power Rangers came out it had been a few years so it probably settled down.
Power rangers had way more potential and publicity going on for it than Godzilla 2014.
1. Bryan Cranston.
2. Longer span of time since a Power Rangers movie was in theaters vs a Godzilla movie (17 years between the turbo pr movie and the 2017 movie vs. 15 years between Sony Godzilla 98 and Legendary Godzilla 2014. Even longer if you want to say the last MMPR movie vs. Power Rangers 2017.)
3. Elizabeth Banks star power as well.
4. Cameos by the original Green Ranger and Pink Ranger.
5. Popularity of super hero films.
6. First super hero film to have an lbgt super hero and an autistic super hero.
7. Bigger fanbase than Godzilla.

Everyone on Toho Kingdom was worried it was going to blow Kong Skull island out of the water. By every metric, Power Rangers 2017 should have at least had a bigger opening weakened than Godzilla 2014, yet KOTM made more money in a single weekend than Power Rangers total box office.
AFAIK the 2017 Power Rangers movie was under frequent ridicule by the general online populace well before it came out, due to it's attempt at more 'realistic' (the GA trend has been away from realism since mid-2010s) and ultimately uglier designs. That being said, going through your list:

1. Bryan Cranston is a disembodied, discoloured, and distorted head in the Power Rangers movie, and isn't focused on significantly in the marketing. In 2014, he's recognizably Bryan Cranston, plays a human character, and his dramatic monologues are the focus of much of the marketing. Also, like others have said, Bryan Cranston in 2014 is hot off the heels of Breaking Bad, which was still largely in public discussion. Breaking Bad fervor had died down significantly by 2017, and while still beloved, Bryan wasn't quite in the limelight like before.

2. I think that principle only applies to mega-cultural franchises, like Jurassic Park and Star Wars. If anything, those extra years are probably worse for Power Rangers.

3. No argument, but I did have to google to figure out who Elizabeth banks was.

4. I don't think that mattered all to much to the GA, nor was it particularly promoted.

5. While the movie definitely borrows a lot of superhero movie tropes, I think there's a decent level of separation by the general public of Power Rangers from superheroes.

6. Sure, in the same way that LeFou in Disney's 2017 Beauty and the Beast is the first openly gay Disney character.

7. I have no way to prove or deny that, but I'm fairly certain that, within certain limits, fandom size really has no impact over GA viewership. Also, in the hypothetical scenario that the Power Rangers fandom was big enough to have influence, it would be negative influence, due to distaste for the movie's rejection of the power rangers aesthetic that the fandom loves.
According to some people on Toho Kingdom, MMPR is a mega Nolstalgic franchise that Dwarfs the like of Godzilla and Kong, even though I used to argue that Power Rangers outside the fanbase and MMPR is one of the most mocked and made fun of franchises of all time, almost as much as Twilight and Bronies.

1. Bryan Cranston had lots of publicity about the fact that he voiced several of the MMPR monsters. Also see miguelnuva's post before mine. I highly doubt Breaking Bad publicity died down that much.
2. Agree to disagree.
3. Fair enough.
4. It was decently advertised.
5. Good point.
6. It's still publicity.
7. The fanbase should have made the opening weekend at least rival or surpass Godzilla 2014 opening even if there would be drop off.

Like I said, everyone on Toho Kingdom 2017 thought Power Rangers was going to make KSI bomb hard.
GVK: TNE is a modern day 70s Showa Godzilla movie. Being a massive budget modern blockbuster CGI film instead of traditional 70s tokusatsu techniques doesn't change that.

Monsterverse is not similar to either MCU nor Bayformers just because all three are big budget CGI blockbuster franchises.

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Hell I didn't even know who the skreeonk was Elizabeth Banks before Power Rangers tbh.

What is she? Tom Cruise levels of popularity? Relevant like Keanu Reeves? Lol.
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GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Hell I didn't even know who the skreeonk was Elizabeth Banks before Power Rangers tbh.

What is she? Tom Cruise levels of popularity? Relevant like Keanu Reeves? Lol.
I didn't know Cranston before G14 and people started saying he was Walter White. We can go back and forth on this.
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GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Hell I didn't even know who the skreeonk was Elizabeth Banks before Power Rangers tbh.

What is she? Tom Cruise levels of popularity? Relevant like Keanu Reeves? Lol.
She still had decent acting credits under her belt before power rangers 2017. Pitch perfect series, Lego movie, Hunger Games series, Betty Brant in the Raimi Spiderman films. Also had recurring roles on Modern Family and 30s Rock.

And here's my anecdote to counter your anecdote: I had never heard of Breaking Bad prior to Godzilla 2014 and only knew Bryan Cranston from Malcolm in the Middle up to that point.

Elizabeth Banks was a decently known actress in GA Normie movie culture prior to Power Rangers 2017. Not Tom Cruise levels, but probably about the same level as Bryan Cranston.
GVK: TNE is a modern day 70s Showa Godzilla movie. Being a massive budget modern blockbuster CGI film instead of traditional 70s tokusatsu techniques doesn't change that.

Monsterverse is not similar to either MCU nor Bayformers just because all three are big budget CGI blockbuster franchises.

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BAM! Godzilla falls into Mt. Mihara, causing a tidal wave of lava to flood Oshima Island. What does Kurt Russell do? Surf on the lava, baby!!!!
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KingKaiju wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:39 pm BAM! Godzilla falls into Mt. Mihara, causing a tidal wave of lava to flood Oshima Island. What does Kurt Russell do? Surf on the lava, baby!!!!
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CrimsonBloodX wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:50 pm
KingKaiju wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:39 pm BAM! Godzilla falls into Mt. Mihara, causing a tidal wave of lava to flood Oshima Island. What does Kurt Russell do? Surf on the lava, baby!!!!
Surfing on the lava while drinking a bottle of beer and making out with a sexy babe in a bikini while Metallica plays in the background.

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:lol: He would've survived the tsunami in Honolulu.

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KingKaiju wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:03 pm
CrimsonBloodX wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:50 pm
KingKaiju wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:39 pm BAM! Godzilla falls into Mt. Mihara, causing a tidal wave of lava to flood Oshima Island. What does Kurt Russell do? Surf on the lava, baby!!!!
Surfing on the lava while drinking a bottle of beer and making out with a sexy babe in a bikini while Metallica plays in the background.

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:lol: He would've survived the tsunami in Honolulu.

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miguelnuva wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:03 pm
GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Hell I didn't even know who the skreeonk was Elizabeth Banks before Power Rangers tbh.

What is she? Tom Cruise levels of popularity? Relevant like Keanu Reeves? Lol.
I didn't know Cranston before G14 and people started saying he was Walter White. We can go back and forth on this.
I knew Banks going as far back as James Gunn's Slither (which was also my introduction to Michael Rooker).
But the only thing I knew Cranston for, prior to G14, was his occasional stint as Dr Tim Whatley, (Jewish) Dentist To The Stars on Seinfeld.

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can't link to it put there are set photos that supposed to take place in the 50's

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BurningCoolMan wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:09 am can't link to it put there are set photos that supposed to take place in the 50's
this seems to add a lot of credibility to the rumor that Wyatt and Kurt Russel are playing the same characters at different ages. I wonder if we'll see Eiji Serizawa, or a rebooted version of him, in this flashback?
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GojiSquid wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
BurningCoolMan wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:09 am can't link to it put there are set photos that supposed to take place in the 50's
this seems to add a lot of credibility to the rumor that Wyatt and Kurt Russel are playing the same characters at different ages. I wonder if we'll see Eiji Serizawa, or a rebooted version of him, in this flashback?
Wyatt Russell has been seen on the 1950's set

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https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/stat ... HnMpR9jQRw

welp glade it's not coming to HBO max now

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WB is definitely a mess right now, and when we factor in the debacle and alleged lawsuit over the abrupt decision by WB to bring GvK and Dune to HBO Max without asking Legendary, I wouldn't be surprised if Toho and Legendary are feeling around for a different distributor. It'd be kinda neat if they went to Universal, as that would solve some problems with the King Kong rights.
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GojiSquid wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:40 pm WB is definitely a mess right now, and when we factor in the debacle and alleged lawsuit over the abrupt decision by WB to bring GvK and Dune to HBO Max without asking Legendary, I wouldn't be surprised if Toho and Legendary are feeling around for a different distributor. It'd be kinda neat if they went to Universal, as that would solve some problems with the King Kong rights.
Legendary tried working with Universal, but it ended in failure.

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LegendZilla wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:13 pm
GojiSquid wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:40 pm WB is definitely a mess right now, and when we factor in the debacle and alleged lawsuit over the abrupt decision by WB to bring GvK and Dune to HBO Max without asking Legendary, I wouldn't be surprised if Toho and Legendary are feeling around for a different distributor. It'd be kinda neat if they went to Universal, as that would solve some problems with the King Kong rights.
Legendary tried working with Universal, but it ended in failure.
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LegendZilla wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:13 pm
GojiSquid wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:40 pm WB is definitely a mess right now, and when we factor in the debacle and alleged lawsuit over the abrupt decision by WB to bring GvK and Dune to HBO Max without asking Legendary, I wouldn't be surprised if Toho and Legendary are feeling around for a different distributor. It'd be kinda neat if they went to Universal, as that would solve some problems with the King Kong rights.
Legendary tried working with Universal, but it ended in failure.
Because Legendary not Universal.
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Mac Daddy MM wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:26 pm One step closer to seeing the Disney logo before Godzilla.
But then Disney scraps the MonsterVerse and just decides to go for a full blown live-action version of Marvel Godzilla going up against the Avengers. Design included!

Real talk though, and maybe this is a stupid question; but can Toho not distribute the MV by themselves? They already do it in Japan, but I'm guessing that copyright laws might stop them from doing it worldwide?
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