Yep, agree to disagree. I get that you wanted a more antagonistic Godzilla all along, so maybe finally getting that helps you overlook the flaws, but I really don't think it was consistent with his previous portrayal at all. It just seemed to come out of left field. I think those who were clamoring for Godzilla to be an antagonist from the beginning had a better time with this movie, so it didn't bother them. While I'm fine with Godzilla being the bad guy in films, it just didn't make sense here, and that's going to be a sticking point for me as a fan of the earlier MV.DynomikeGojira wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:01 pmYeah we're gonna have to agree to disagree I can clearly see that you view very strongly about the MV quality of films has downgraded since G14 and K:SI I'm in complete agreement with that so I can understand why you're not a fan of this film, I had a different experience with which rejuvenated my interest in the MV after my massive disappointment with KOTM. I personally believe that Godzilla and Kong were consistent with their previous portrayal and frankly I've been wanting a more antagonistic Godzilla since G14 and I thought they did a great job to make it believable but again just my opinion. As far as them being allies or not I believe they are at least uneasy allies Godzilla didn't attack Kong after Kong defeated MechaG and Kong eventually deemed that Godzilla was not longer a threat hence dropping the axe and Godzilla left, they're not friends but they're not enemies anymore either.Vakanai wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:14 pmI didn't mean anything rude by it, and perhaps I had let my tiredness of the debate color my tone too much. Frankly, I didn't read what you wrote because I don't trust myself not to respond. I've learned that if I'm tired of a debate and don't want to engage in it anymore - I'll still debate and engage in it if I read the arguments! The human urge to get the last word in is impossible for my to resist. So when I just want to stop the debate from dragging on when I want out, I stop reading. It's the only way for me to let it go. However, I'm usually more polite in my word choice explaining it, and here I let my tiredness blunt it, and for that, sorry.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:39 pm
You don't have to read my argument and you don't have to like Godzilla vs Kong, that is your choice as a fan of the series and this series has several entries with different plots for that reason. All I'm going to say is if someone is taking time to have a discussion and isn't attacking you, saying your not going to read is an interesting thing to say and I bid you adieu.
Usually instead of saying "I'm not going to read this" I say the nicer "agree to disagree." For me, it means the same thing, but I admit the latter seems nicer than the former.
Added in 2 minutes 17 seconds:Agree to disagree. I mean, we agree it's simple, difference is I think it's simple because the writer/director didn't care to take the prior films into account at all or bother with established characterization. And...there's no argument that'll convince me otherwise, sorry.DynomikeGojira wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:40 pm
Godzilla and Kong are better off as allies which indeed happened Godzilla may have started it but Kong was certainly ready to fight hence Godzilla reasons for targeting this is Godzilla vs Kong after all so yeah simple.
(I'd also argue that they're in no way allies at the end of the film - Godzilla maybe possibly respects in a very minuscule amount that Kong has the right to live, and Kong is just too damned tired to fight and realizes he's Godzilla's b i t c h and will die if they fight again, but probably still hates the damn lizard that wanted to kill him for no good reason he could see - he only killed Mechagodzilla because the human girl asked him to. That doesn't make the two allies)
And I disagree with them being uneasy allies even. Kong has zero reason to trust or want to help Godzilla - he'd have to have zero interest in self preservation to want to go near him, and would probably be glad to dance on Godzilla's grave after this film. Yes, he destroyed MechaG, but it wasn't to help or save Godzilla. He should have taken a pot shot and swung that axe into Godzilla's skull while the big G was still down in the moments after MechaG's destruction. Not being enemies doesn't make them allies. Godzilla is either now indifferent or still a bit of an antagonist to Kong and wouldn't come to him for help, and Kong shouldn't want to ever come near or see Godzilla ever again. There's no reason for them to ever team up as allies unless forced into a situation where it's team up or die.
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Seems likely.Godzilla21 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 7:47 pm Hi all. Haven't been here for a while but can someone update on what's happening with the MV? I'd prefer not to wade through pages and pages. Its continuing with a Kong-centric movie?