Discussion of the Titular Fights: Godzilla vs. Kong

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Kong
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2%
Depends on the Environment
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ernesth100 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 10:16 pm
miguelnuva wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:53 pm Being mad that Kong lost to Godzilla and saying Kong looked weak would be like saying your Heavyweight Boxer sucks becasue he couldn't beat Prime Tyson or Ali. Kong fought the number 1 character in his verse and held his own.

Better yet, Thor is weak becasue he he couldn't stop the Snap even though Stormbreaker overpowered the 6 stones.
This sums up my feelings atm. On the first couple of watches. It seems like a slaughter in G's favor. But you really realize Wingards tryna sell that Kong doesn't want to fight. He was forced into the situation. Hell I'm 99% sure he would've just chilled in the HE had Godzilla not metaphorically kicked his door down
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Kong is strong enough to challenge Godzilla, doing shockingly well in water and even take a "round" with the axe and "jungle" like environment of the city buildings, but ultimately Godzilla is superior in a fight. And when Godzilla got serious hell almost "feral" in round 3 Kong was battered and left with a broken chest.

Kong was outmatched, but when he roared back to Godzilla's face in spite of it all, Kong showed his spirit was just as strong as Godzilla's. That even if it meant death, he would not bow which I found to be quite commendable characterization.
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godjacob wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:26 pm Kong is strong enough to challenge Godzilla, doing shockingly well in water and even take a "round" with the axe and "jungle" like environment of the city buildings, but ultimately Godzilla is superior in a fight. And when Godzilla got serious hell almost "feral" in round 3 Kong was battered and left with a broken chest.

Kong was outmatched, but when he roared back to Godzilla's face in spite of it all, Kong showed his spirit was just as strong as Godzilla's. That even if it meant death, he would not bow which I found to be quite commendable characterization.
Hell, just one look at the "fight" on the aircraft carrier tells us all we need to know.

Kong winds back and hits with a full power punch. Just note, if you punched someone in the face like this they're either ko'd or hardly able to so much as stand. That's assuming that the man you've punched isn't massively stronger than you, even if he is he's gonna feel it at least a little.

Godzilla tanked the punch with no sign of any brain trauma and decked Kong with a comparatively casual slap. He then had his atomic breath ready for a kill shot. If the military didn't intervene than, than the fight would have rivaled Godzilla Vs Zilla in "shortest fight in Godzilla history". That says a lot, Kong had to rely on the jungle environment and even then Godzilla could compete just fine.

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I've never seen such a poll stomp
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Godzilla2020 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:40 am
godjacob wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:26 pm Kong is strong enough to challenge Godzilla, doing shockingly well in water and even take a "round" with the axe and "jungle" like environment of the city buildings, but ultimately Godzilla is superior in a fight. And when Godzilla got serious hell almost "feral" in round 3 Kong was battered and left with a broken chest.

Kong was outmatched, but when he roared back to Godzilla's face in spite of it all, Kong showed his spirit was just as strong as Godzilla's. That even if it meant death, he would not bow which I found to be quite commendable characterization.
Hell, just one look at the "fight" on the aircraft carrier tells us all we need to know.

Kong winds back and hits with a full power punch. Just note, if you punched someone in the face like this they're either ko'd or hardly able to so much as stand. That's assuming that the man you've punched isn't massively stronger than you, even if he is he's gonna feel it at least a little.

Godzilla tanked the punch with no sign of any brain trauma and decked Kong with a comparatively casual slap. He then had his atomic breath ready for a kill shot. If the military didn't intervene than, than the fight would have rivaled Godzilla Vs Zilla in "shortest fight in Godzilla history". That says a lot, Kong had to rely on the jungle environment and even then Godzilla could compete just fine.
Shit man, check that blog of mine

Kong wrapped a two armed head lock on Godzilla's head

Godzilla broke it by putting one arm on Kong and pushing.

One arm vs Kong's entire upper body

Arm wins.

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So a couple of things revealed in the director's commentary from the Blu ray supplements...

In the ocean battle, Godzilla probably never thought for a second that he had any chance of losing. It was a life-and-death struggle for Kong, but Godzilla was simply toying with him and having fun.

Same goes for the first part of the HK battle. He never saw Kong as a serious threat, and he was certain he was going to win, even after Kong stabbed him in the thigh with the axe. And he was having fun, at least until Kong landed the axe blow on his face. After that, Godzilla still has no fear of losing, but he's done playing, he's pissed and having none of it anymore, and he's ready to put Kong down for good.

And while Godzilla was in his element in the first battle, Kong was actually the one who was in his element in the HK battle. The city is where Kong is able to utilize his climbing/swinging abilities to the fullest, so it was like Godzilla had walked into Kong's home turf.
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Vandarker wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 11:27 pm So a couple of things revealed in the director's commentary from the Blu ray supplements...

In the ocean battle, Godzilla probably never thought for a second that he had any chance of losing. It was a life-and-death struggle for Kong, but Godzilla was simply toying with him and having fun.

Same goes for the first part of the HK battle. He never saw Kong as a serious threat, and he was certain he was going to win, even after Kong stabbed him in the thigh with the axe. And he was having fun, at least until Kong landed the axe blow on his face. After that, Godzilla still has no fear of losing, but he's done playing, he's pissed and having none of it anymore, and he's ready to put Kong down for good.

And while Godzilla was in his element in the first battle, Kong was actually the one who was in his element in the HK battle. The city is where Kong is able to utilize his climbing/swinging abilities to the fullest, so it was like Godzilla had walked into Kong's home turf.

You got blue ray already?

Also

HOLY SHIT

GODZILLA WAS HOLDING BACK

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>Godzilla wins while holding back

Kongbros...
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I love how utterly decimated the equals argument got. Godzilla kicked his ass handily WHILE HOLDING BACK.
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gottatalktothefake wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 6:21 am I love how utterly decimated the equals argument got. Godzilla kicked his ass handily WHILE HOLDING BACK.
Yeah and they try to make it like Godzilla got his ass kicked by MechaG and Kong defeated MechaG.lol

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DynomikeGojira wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 8:22 am
gottatalktothefake wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 6:21 am I love how utterly decimated the equals argument got. Godzilla kicked his ass handily WHILE HOLDING BACK.
Yeah and they try to make it like Godzilla got his ass kicked by MechaG and Kong defeated MechaG.lol
Even funnier when they conveniently don't mention the fact that Mecha Godzilla would have killed Kong twice had it not been for Godzilla. And they like to ignore the fact that Godzilla was drained.
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Godzilla2020 wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 10:31 am
DynomikeGojira wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 8:22 am
gottatalktothefake wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 6:21 am I love how utterly decimated the equals argument got. Godzilla kicked his ass handily WHILE HOLDING BACK.
Yeah and they try to make it like Godzilla got his ass kicked by MechaG and Kong defeated MechaG.lol
Even funnier when they conveniently don't mention the fact that Mecha Godzilla would have killed Kong twice had it not been for Godzilla. And they like to invite Godzilla being drained.
Then after that they'll bring well Kong is the more popular character because K:SI made the most money and KOTM flopped as they say. I hate salty fans on either side.

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Godzilla2020 wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 10:31 am
DynomikeGojira wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 8:22 am
gottatalktothefake wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 6:21 am I love how utterly decimated the equals argument got. Godzilla kicked his ass handily WHILE HOLDING BACK.
Yeah and they try to make it like Godzilla got his ass kicked by MechaG and Kong defeated MechaG.lol
Even funnier when they conveniently don't mention the fact that Mecha Godzilla would have killed Kong twice had it not been for Godzilla. And they like to ignore the fact that Godzilla was drained.
In the Blu ray commentary, Wingard actually says the same thing he said in the TK interview; basically, that Godzilla was drained from going through several rounds with Kong, and that he never had any time to rest between the fights because he was doing stuff underwater, off-screen. He says that if Godzilla hadn't been drained, he would have fought a lot better against MechaG.

He also implies that the situation was not as bad as it looked when he was getting pummeled by MechaG. MechaG did come close to defeating him with the "Kiss of Death", but except for that one moment, Godzilla never lost control of the situation. He may not have been able to win on his own, but he could handle getting beat up, or at least endure it long enough until he gets a chance to strike back.

Wingard also reveals that MechaG has a huge advantage against Godzilla because he's able to foresee Godzilla's movements. He's designed to predict what Godzilla's next moves are. There's no specific explanation as to why he's able to do that, but Apex probably analyzed Godzilla's fighting pattern and programmed MechaG that way, plus he probably has Ghidorah's experience as well. He probably didn't have that sort of advantage against Kong, which made him more fallible.
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Vandarker wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 10:38 pm
Godzilla2020 wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 10:31 am
DynomikeGojira wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 8:22 am

Yeah and they try to make it like Godzilla got his ass kicked by MechaG and Kong defeated MechaG.lol
Even funnier when they conveniently don't mention the fact that Mecha Godzilla would have killed Kong twice had it not been for Godzilla. And they like to ignore the fact that Godzilla was drained.
In the Blu ray commentary, Wingard actually says the same thing he said in the TK interview; basically, that Godzilla was drained from going through several rounds with Kong, and that he never had any time to rest between the fights because he was doing stuff underwater, off-screen. He says that if Godzilla hadn't been drained, he would have fought a lot better against MechaG.

He also implies that the situation was not as bad as it looked when he was getting pummeled by MechaG. MechaG did come close to defeating him with the "Kiss of Death", but except for that one moment, Godzilla never lost control of the situation. He may not have been able to win on his own, but he could handle getting beat up, or at least endure it long enough until he gets a chance to strike back.

Wingard also reveals that MechaG has a huge advantage against Godzilla because he's able to foresee Godzilla's movements. He's designed to predict what Godzilla's next moves are. There's no specific explanation as to why he's able to do that, but Apex probably analyzed Godzilla's fighting pattern and programmed MechaG that way, plus he probably has Ghidorah's experience as well. He probably didn't have that sort of advantage against Kong, which made him more fallible.
That's basically the gundam zero system iirc

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gottatalktothefake wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 6:21 am I love how utterly decimated the equals argument got. Godzilla kicked his ass handily WHILE HOLDING BACK.
Depends on how you define holding back, though. I don't think Wingard meant to imply that Godzilla was pulling his punches, I think it's more like he was giving Kong a bit of a leeway by playing along with him. Wingard does imply that Godzilla could have finished the fight at any moment, but he let Kong run around and have a go at him because he was having too much fun.

I think how Godzilla was fighting in the first half of the HK fight is pretty much a testament to Wingard's statement; Godzilla could've just mauled Kong right then and there when he evaded Kong's first axe strike and got a grip on his neck, but he didn't. Instead, he stubbornly tries to charge his atomic breath up close, which allows Kong to break free and recuperate. Same goes for when Godzilla was knocked down by Kong bringing the axe down on his head; he could have just evaded like he did the first time, but he insistently holds his ground and fires his beam even as the axe strikes him. Godzilla probably went full-force with his atomic breath and was trying to kill Kong with it, but he has other ways to kill Kong as well. He's fully capable of killing Kong in a physical fight, but he chose to use Kong for target practice instead, despite being more of a melee fighter himself.

But yeah, both the commentary and the special features explicitly state that Kong is not Godzilla's equal. He does have some advantages that Godzilla doesn't have, but that does not mean that they're equal. By Wingard's own words, Godzilla never even saw Kong as a threat until Kong landed an axe blow to his face, and even after that he merely saw Kong as an annoyance, one that he could get rid of if he wanted to.

According to him, Godzilla is basically a godlike, unkillable being, while Kong isn't. Godzilla is fully capable of killing Kong and has no problem doing it if he wants to, but Kong has no means of killing Godzilla whatsoever, which is why Godzilla was never worried about losing. (According to Wingard, the only thing that came close to killing Godzilla in the entire film was MechaG's "Kiss of Death", and he still leaves it ambiguous as to whether Godzilla could have survived it or not.) Which means that Kong needs all the advantages he can get just to make the fight happen. And even then Godzilla's victory was pretty much inevitable, so the best Kong could do was earn Godzilla's respect, which he did. But in the end, Wingard says that Kong did acknowledge Godzilla as the boss, although he may not have submitted to him.
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Jared (Mechagodzilla designer) said Godzilla would barley beat Mechagodzilla if both were at full power, and that Mechagodzilla would decimate kong if both were at full power

Kinda tells you all you need to know
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Where have you guys gotten this stuff?

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Showzilla wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 1:05 am Where have you guys gotten this stuff?
Jared did an AMA on Reddit, Wingard holding back is from the special features
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gottatalktothefake wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 12:51 am Jared (Mechagodzilla designer) said Godzilla would barley beat Mechagodzilla if both were at full power, and that Mechagodzilla would decimate kong if both were at full power

Kinda tells you all you need to know
I love this.

All the "Kong is equal" faction have pretty much been annihilated by the director himself.

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gottatalktothefake wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 1:10 am
Showzilla wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 1:05 am Where have you guys gotten this stuff?
Jared did an AMA on Reddit, Wingard holding back is from the special features
I know Jared, I read his ama

Where did you get the special features?

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