Nope. Not my problem.MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 1:00 amIt is your problem; you started this debate in the first place by replying directly to me. I just quoted the novelization and gave my opinion. You do not concede even one point, despite the fact that you aren't correct. Your arguments have holes. They don't hold up to scrutiny. You become more arrogant as you go along. That's exactly why it's tiresome.Gawdziller1954 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:15 pm Not my problem.
I'm not talking about the jawline. He literally smiled in the film using his soft tissue. Thank you for conceding that. I never denied he had a crocodile like "smile" but he literally pulls back his "lips" and squints up his eyes and smiles. Ignore the GIF I posted all you want, no amount of saying "i've studied the design so i'm right" will make your statement correct.
For the highlighted, are you sure?The corners of his mouth are likely soft tissue; pure muscle. The ridges below his eyes are meant to be his jugal bones, hence my comparison to the anatomy of iguanas (his inner mouth is even based upon iguana anatomy) most of what's below those ridges is soft tissue, until you reach the lower jaw. Those corners of his mouth have always moved and jiggled in every movie, and even in tests from 2013. This isn't news to me. They exaggerated the movement to somewhat resemble a smile (it looks goofy). Neither interpretation of it is wrong; it got past Toho's rules. I simply don't see it as a true, anthropomorphic smile considering the shape for a smile is already there, permanently fixed on his face like a dolphin. His eyes and nostrils do more of the emoting. Agree to disagree.Gawdziller1954 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:05 pm Godzilla's design is based off of reptiles and mammals such as bears, with eagle in the face. He literally smiles (as in, grins with his mouth) when he clips Kong with his A-breath. I'm not talking about a crocodile smile (which he barely has anyway).
And it's not getting you anywhere to keep asserting that the skulls are the same. They're not. The dentition is wack. The structure is wack. The similarities you see are not the whole picture, because the differences are glaring enough. The canon is wack. I don't care about what you're saying, because Godzilla doesn't have molars, and his skull wouldn't resemble a dog's, simply by looking at him. 5146_ADAM doesn't have well defined canine teeth, and neither does Godzilla. None of what I just said is debatable for very obvious reasons. Simply disagree if you'd like, and that'll be the end of this.Gawdziller1954 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:15 pm You have pointed it out ad nauseam but that does not change the fact that that is the canon skeleton. Stop trying to dispute it because it's not getting you anywhere.
You seem to be referring to this: https://gwtoday.gwu.edu/newly-discovere ... eth-adultsGawdziller1954 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:15 pm I am correct here lmao. Not my problem you refuse to listen to facts. If Godzilla and Dagon and the chamber skeleton are all Godzillas the Chamber skeleton is much larger-its teeth would be proportionately larger too.
Which doesn't match with what we're talking about. You also seem to be referencing the fact that juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex individuals have thinner, smaller teeth that become much larger and thicker as adults. Godzilla isn't an adolescent as far we know (watch that get retconned). He's an adult. So was Dagon. Like a crocodile, Godzilla still grows as an adult. (Although crocodiles don't get tremendously bigger as they age as growth slows down over time, and most of the crucial growth is done when young.)
No reptile grows teeth of a different size, function, and shape from adulthood/maturity to elder years. Giant, older crocodiles like Cassius don't look entirely different from younger, smaller, adult crocodiles. They're merely more robust, with thicker skulls. They don't just grow proportionately larger teeth because they're older and bigger. Growing larger doesn't mean that one's teeth become gargantuan fangs. That doesn't work that way. Teeth grow proportionately larger from juveniles to adults, but not from adults (let's say around 16 years old) to older adults (60 to 100 years old). Proportions for teeth stay pretty much the same at that point, regardless of size increases, with variability between species. Elders stop replacing teeth so quickly, and have fewer.
Unless I'm assuming wrong about what you're referring to and you know of discoveries I'm unaware of, you just don't have this one. And as a whole, you've provided little very explanation to your claims.You're just not paying attention. There are more morphological differences between 5146_ADAM, the Hollow Earth skull, and Godzilla than the differences between Tyrannosaurus and Tarbosaurus, or even Gorgosaurus. The Tarbosaurus comparison was to highlight that even among closer related species, things don't look the same. With individual variation, there is still a load of commonality, even down to the most minute details. Individual variation doesn't result in adults appearing to be of an entirely different genus, subfamily, or family altogether, and having wildly different dentition that imply an entirely different lifestyle and niche. That's my point. You kept going on about how their differences could be explained through variation between individuals of a species, and I'm telling you right now, the answer is a big bold No. Even Tyrannosaurus and Gorgosaurus have more in common than the 5146_ADAM drawing and the Hollow Earth skull. You really want to say otherwise, but it's unfortunately not true. You don't just find molars in one individual, and large fangs with no molars in another. That doesn't look all that related to me.Gawdziller1954 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:15 pm Gorgosaurus is only distantly related and unlike the chamber skeleton and dagon does not share enough similarities for it to be confused with the big tyrannosaurine tyrannosaurs. The skeletons do resemble eachother. They just do. You're flooding the thread with nonsense at this point.Alright, what part of "it looks way more like one of them than it does to Godzilla" don't you understand? You keep saying the Hollow Earth skull looks like 5146_ADAM (which it really doesn't), but neither of them look like Godzilla. I've been saying that the Hollow Earth skull looks more like a caniform skull than it looks like Godzilla himself. If you don't like that one example out of the three I provided, that's your problem.Gawdziller1954 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:15 pm It really doesn't. It resembles the canon Godzilla skeleton more than it does any of the examples you brought up, in particular amphicyon-which is why it was a bad choice. You hardly posted a rebuttal. It isn't my fault the canon Godzilla skeleton does not look like Godzilla but does look like the chamber skeleton.
"It's not about [the Hollow Earth skull] looking absolutely exactly like a particular wolf, bear, or related caniform. It's that by comparison [to Godzilla], it [the Hollow Earth skull] looks closer to even the weakest example [amphicyon]. I figured you'd get the point, but you just don't."
Don't accuse my argument of having holes when you haven't made a coherent or correct comparison yourself for the past 2 days. I am correct.
And yes, I am sure I never stated he didn't have a crocodile-like jawline. You can check my other comments on it.
So you concede that I was right on Tyrannosaur teeth. Good. The fact of the matter is if the cave skeleton was indeed a Godzilla his teeth would be much larger than any teeth we see on dagon or Godzilla, which is exactly what we see.
Godzilla is reptile-like but not neccessarily a reptile, and the fact that the cave skeleton has giant teeth and is probably a godzilla indicates they do grow throught his life.
The "jugal bone" jiggles and stretches when he wakes up in 2014. It's muscle. The fact of the matter is regardless of what you see or don't see he does smile in the film by moving his facial muscles.
Dagon has canines. I have established this. As I have said, there are more similarities to the canon skeleton of Godzilla and the cave dweller than there are differences, and both have more similarities between them than between T.rex and Gorgosaurus. Thank you for conceding. It doesn't matter if you think the two aren't related, I am sticking with what is canon here, not what some guy on a forum thinks is right and wrong.