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Godzilla beat kong to death back then too and kong needed to be revived as well
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Well that makes sense I guess. That Godzilla is basically the apex of his species and isn't an ordinary member. Like how the special forces for the military aren't normal people. I guess the same maybe could be said for Kong. Perhaps Kong is special as well. However this brings up yet another plot hole in the MV. Why would humanity's nuclear weapons be any different from the radiation from Hollow Earth? Just seems to me like you get a whole smorgasboard of radiation there and it makes man made radiation seem puny in comparison.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:28 pmGodzilla has become a super member of his species. His species never had modern nuclear energy to feed off, never survived a fight with Muto Prime, never met Ghidorah and never fused with Mothra. Imagine you as a kid hear about a group of people that wiped out a large portion of your family. You then start training and fighting and now you are far and beyond stronger than your family that died. You then meet the last member of this group that has given you problems and now you're King. You give him a choice to bow down to you like all the others in your kingdom and instead he decided he won't bow. This in addition to you sensing your other great rival that you thought you killed and had taken over other Titans before in an effort to kill you.Lesko wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:42 pmThis is what I am talking about actually. If Kong was never a threat, then what about the war that the movie only mentioned in one line about the species? It isn't really a war if one side is not a threat at all. So either Kong's species wasn't a threat to Godzilla's, which makes the war between the two pointless, or they were a threat, but Godzilla was acting out of uncharacteristically against Kong despite Kong being a threat. Not sure if we are including novels out of the canon but I am pretty sure Godzilla was beaten by a member of Kong's species in a flashback sequence since the latter plot hole seems more likely. I am getting ahead of myself though, so my question is, which one is it supposed to be? The MV isn't rock solid on plot and I understand that but GvK has far more plot holes than any other entry by a long shot. Even KotM.KaijuKingGojira wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:00 pm
You do realise his “180 degree character turn” was explained don’t you? Also, he didn’t kill king like he did with king G and Muto’s because they were an actually threat to him- one was a rival Alpha and the others were parasites that preyed on Godzilla’s. Kong was an “inferior” titan that he essentially wanted to get to submit or just get out of his way, he wasn’t threatened by him so… he essentially bullied him for not knowing his place.
This is what Godzilla is going through in GvK.
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Our radiation seems better only when Godzilla and the Titans interact with it. Could be because not only is the HE energy in the HE maybe you can't splurge in it.Lesko wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:07 pmWell that makes sense I guess. That Godzilla is basically the apex of his species and isn't an ordinary member. Like how the special forces for the military aren't normal people. I guess the same maybe could be said for Kong. Perhaps Kong is special as well. However this brings up yet another plot hole in the MV. Why would humanity's nuclear weapons be any different from the radiation from Hollow Earth? Just seems to me like you get a whole smorgasboard of radiation there and it makes man made radiation seem puny in comparison.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:28 pmGodzilla has become a super member of his species. His species never had modern nuclear energy to feed off, never survived a fight with Muto Prime, never met Ghidorah and never fused with Mothra. Imagine you as a kid hear about a group of people that wiped out a large portion of your family. You then start training and fighting and now you are far and beyond stronger than your family that died. You then meet the last member of this group that has given you problems and now you're King. You give him a choice to bow down to you like all the others in your kingdom and instead he decided he won't bow. This in addition to you sensing your other great rival that you thought you killed and had taken over other Titans before in an effort to kill you.Lesko wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:42 pm
This is what I am talking about actually. If Kong was never a threat, then what about the war that the movie only mentioned in one line about the species? It isn't really a war if one side is not a threat at all. So either Kong's species wasn't a threat to Godzilla's, which makes the war between the two pointless, or they were a threat, but Godzilla was acting out of uncharacteristically against Kong despite Kong being a threat. Not sure if we are including novels out of the canon but I am pretty sure Godzilla was beaten by a member of Kong's species in a flashback sequence since the latter plot hole seems more likely. I am getting ahead of myself though, so my question is, which one is it supposed to be? The MV isn't rock solid on plot and I understand that but GvK has far more plot holes than any other entry by a long shot. Even KotM.
This is what Godzilla is going through in GvK.
Or nukes could be like a fast food buffet, it isn't as good as healthy foods but there is more than enough for you to get.
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So I just watched the movie and gotta say it's a huge improvement over the abomination we got in 2019.
And I really don't want to nitpick again at a movie, as GvK does so many things right. There are two things that really bug me:
1. The actual Godzilla vs Kong fight is by no means a fight to death. The way Godzilla is presented in the movie is similar to an insecure playground bully that wants to beat up the stubborn new kid who isn't interested in fighting at all. I'd say the movie would've done better if Godzilla seemed like the villain for most of the time and him hunting down Apex wasn't this obvious. Of course many people like myself would've been rather annoyed during the first hour if Godzilla suddenly turned evil, but considering Apex unites with the MC and Kong this would lead to a better premise for the fight: Kong actually having to defend the people dear to him, as Godzilla doesn't do any difference between Apex and other people. That would've given the whole fight a fully different feeling. The way the monsters behave, the fights in Hong Kong ain't that suspenseful. We know that neither Kong nor Godzilla is actually interested in killing the other. Whenever one lays on the ground and stops moving, the fight ends and there doesn't seem to be any difference at all. If Kong would win, where would be the difference? The world is such a huge place, that one monster bowing to the other would lead to no differences in their actions. The world is such a big place, they could easily avoid each other afterwards.
2. Gidorah taking over MG and using him for his revenge on Godzilla should've been explored more. There is whole goddamn character arc we lost. During the final fight, MG isn't a mindless, running-around machine, but an avatar for a butthurt arch-nemesis of one of the titular characters.
This video is a pretty good and simple example of how a few little scenes could've given a lot more weight to MG and Gidorah's character. And seriously, aside of us nerds, who of the GA actually realizes that MG isn't rampaging on his own? I don't think many do. The friends I went with aren't that interested in the MV and neither of them actually noticed what happened to MG. They didn't care in the first place but I think it's rather sad that MG becomes like a generic doppelganger of Godzilla like this, when he is in fact a little more than that.
And I really don't want to nitpick again at a movie, as GvK does so many things right. There are two things that really bug me:
1. The actual Godzilla vs Kong fight is by no means a fight to death. The way Godzilla is presented in the movie is similar to an insecure playground bully that wants to beat up the stubborn new kid who isn't interested in fighting at all. I'd say the movie would've done better if Godzilla seemed like the villain for most of the time and him hunting down Apex wasn't this obvious. Of course many people like myself would've been rather annoyed during the first hour if Godzilla suddenly turned evil, but considering Apex unites with the MC and Kong this would lead to a better premise for the fight: Kong actually having to defend the people dear to him, as Godzilla doesn't do any difference between Apex and other people. That would've given the whole fight a fully different feeling. The way the monsters behave, the fights in Hong Kong ain't that suspenseful. We know that neither Kong nor Godzilla is actually interested in killing the other. Whenever one lays on the ground and stops moving, the fight ends and there doesn't seem to be any difference at all. If Kong would win, where would be the difference? The world is such a huge place, that one monster bowing to the other would lead to no differences in their actions. The world is such a big place, they could easily avoid each other afterwards.
2. Gidorah taking over MG and using him for his revenge on Godzilla should've been explored more. There is whole goddamn character arc we lost. During the final fight, MG isn't a mindless, running-around machine, but an avatar for a butthurt arch-nemesis of one of the titular characters.
This video is a pretty good and simple example of how a few little scenes could've given a lot more weight to MG and Gidorah's character. And seriously, aside of us nerds, who of the GA actually realizes that MG isn't rampaging on his own? I don't think many do. The friends I went with aren't that interested in the MV and neither of them actually noticed what happened to MG. They didn't care in the first place but I think it's rather sad that MG becomes like a generic doppelganger of Godzilla like this, when he is in fact a little more than that.
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FINALLY. So glad someone else has the same mindset. I love MV MechaGodzilla's design, but man do I wish all of his red was actually yellow to represent his ties to Ghidorah. It'd have also remained closer to the classic MG designs since all of them have yellow eyes. The beam even looks great in the yellow.
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I am not so sure about 1. but 2. I agree 100%. GvK falls short in the character development part whether the characters are human or not.Dyrakro wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:21 pm So I just watched the movie and gotta say it's a huge improvement over the abomination we got in 2019.
And I really don't want to nitpick again at a movie, as GvK does so many things right. There are two things that really bug me:
1. The actual Godzilla vs Kong fight is by no means a fight to death. The way Godzilla is presented in the movie is similar to an insecure playground bully that wants to beat up the stubborn new kid who isn't interested in fighting at all. I'd say the movie would've done better if Godzilla seemed like the villain for most of the time and him hunting down Apex wasn't this obvious. Of course many people like myself would've been rather annoyed during the first hour if Godzilla suddenly turned evil, but considering Apex unites with the MC and Kong this would lead to a better premise for the fight: Kong actually having to defend the people dear to him, as Godzilla doesn't do any difference between Apex and other people. That would've given the whole fight a fully different feeling. The way the monsters behave, the fights in Hong Kong ain't that suspenseful. We know that neither Kong nor Godzilla is actually interested in killing the other. Whenever one lays on the ground and stops moving, the fight ends and there doesn't seem to be any difference at all. If Kong would win, where would be the difference? The world is such a huge place, that one monster bowing to the other would lead to no differences in their actions. The world is such a big place, they could easily avoid each other afterwards.
2. Gidorah taking over MG and using him for his revenge on Godzilla should've been explored more. There is whole goddamn character arc we lost. During the final fight, MG isn't a mindless, running-around machine, but an avatar for a butthurt arch-nemesis of one of the titular characters.
This video is a pretty good and simple example of how a few little scenes could've given a lot more weight to MG and Gidorah's character. And seriously, aside of us nerds, who of the GA actually realizes that MG isn't rampaging on his own? I don't think many do. The friends I went with aren't that interested in the MV and neither of them actually noticed what happened to MG. They didn't care in the first place but I think it's rather sad that MG becomes like a generic doppelganger of Godzilla like this, when he is in fact a little more than that.
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I think you're a bit off about Godzilla. Kong didn't want to be involved, but he WANTED Godzilla in Hong Kong. Godzilla as you describe it was like that in fight #1. That was territorial though.Dyrakro wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:21 pm So I just watched the movie and gotta say it's a huge improvement over the abomination we got in 2019.
And I really don't want to nitpick again at a movie, as GvK does so many things right. There are two things that really bug me:
1. The actual Godzilla vs Kong fight is by no means a fight to death. The way Godzilla is presented in the movie is similar to an insecure playground bully that wants to beat up the stubborn new kid who isn't interested in fighting at all. I'd say the movie would've done better if Godzilla seemed like the villain for most of the time and him hunting down Apex wasn't this obvious. Of course many people like myself would've been rather annoyed during the first hour if Godzilla suddenly turned evil, but considering Apex unites with the MC and Kong this would lead to a better premise for the fight: Kong actually having to defend the people dear to him, as Godzilla doesn't do any difference between Apex and other people. That would've given the whole fight a fully different feeling. The way the monsters behave, the fights in Hong Kong ain't that suspenseful. We know that neither Kong nor Godzilla is actually interested in killing the other. Whenever one lays on the ground and stops moving, the fight ends and there doesn't seem to be any difference at all. If Kong would win, where would be the difference? The world is such a huge place, that one monster bowing to the other would lead to no differences in their actions. The world is such a big place, they could easily avoid each other afterwards.
2. Gidorah taking over MG and using him for his revenge on Godzilla should've been explored more. There is whole goddamn character arc we lost. During the final fight, MG isn't a mindless, running-around machine, but an avatar for a butthurt arch-nemesis of one of the titular characters.
This video is a pretty good and simple example of how a few little scenes could've given a lot more weight to MG and Gidorah's character. And seriously, aside of us nerds, who of the GA actually realizes that MG isn't rampaging on his own? I don't think many do. The friends I went with aren't that interested in the MV and neither of them actually noticed what happened to MG. They didn't care in the first place but I think it's rather sad that MG becomes like a generic doppelganger of Godzilla like this, when he is in fact a little more than that.
In Hong Kong, Godzilla was just strolling through HK. Godzilla could sense *something* going down in HE. It pissed off Kong, who attacked Godzilla. Godzilla was toying with him, Kong got a good blow. Godzilla got pissed, and left Kong for dead.
Godzilla honestly hasn't changed as a character in any MV film. He was just bullshit and pissed off in this movie.
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I don't agree at all with you in that one, but I respect your opinion aside of the fact that your post made me laugh a lotMoogabunga wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:59 pmThat awkward moment when that "abomination" from 2019 is far better than GvK...
Maybe I fucked up a little in my explanation, what the creators were aiming for and befitting your explanation is alright. It's just that I'd have really liked to see an actual, suspenseful fight between Godzilla vs Kong during which the viewer actually would fear seeing one participant die. For example Batman vs Superman did a good job in delievering at least one character (Batman) who's interest it is to kill his enemy. This makes the whole fight more intense.
That's true, all MV Godzilla movies so far had a pissed off title character who just likes to fuck up other Titans businesses
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Saw the film in theaters today. For some background, I watched it on its HBO Max release date, and then watched it twice. It’s been a few months, and I saw the film with my wife after we watched Godzilla 2014 again today.
I gotta say, I hope they eventually do some big theater re-release. I know corona is still an issue, but man, watching it on a big screen really did make a difference.
Anyways, 3rd time around, I thought the action was just as fun and memorable. But I recognized this time, that damn do all the monsters destroy a lot of buildings while fighting. Godzilla, Kong and MG smash each other through a lot of buildings. Lots of good usage of “physical action” and setting. I think the set piece of Godzilla vs Kong in the ocean is fantastic. The action is also well-paced in the narrative. Save for a few brief moments, the movie is always hitting you with some sort of action, or emotion, or something to look it. It never ignores either monster for far too long and it keeps things snappy.
Third time around I really really loved Jia, Kong, Nathan and their little crew. I actually also liked Maddison and Bernie a bit more, but I felt Bernie was carrying their section. What I realized is that while I don’t think it’s intentional, it reminded me a lot of some of the stuff I like in older films, like eccentric characters sneaking around Godzilla Land in vs. Gigan. I’m sort of okay with some of the rushed villain stuff, because honestly they would have overstayed their welcome if they gave some big monologue and I think the movie was well aware of that with their swift deaths. Spare for a few brief moments, the film never gets overly stupid, or obnoxious, in both the characters and the monster action.
My only major complaint is *drum-roll* Mecha-Godzilla. I actually think the design is pretty good, and I thought it was “cool”. However, it’s the weakest part of the film for me, because it again feels like regressing and relying on an established monster, to appeal to Godzilla fans, versus doing something uniquely original. I thought the film did a good enough job at establishing a core of Godzilla and Kong, and then it sort of just tosses that to the side with MG. Not an easy problem with an easy solution, so I’m not really going to hate on the film for it. It did also feel like they gave sufficient thought and build up to it throughout.
I think now that I have had time to dwell on it, I could probably rate it just as high, if not higher, than some of the later Heisei Entries, and Millenium Entries (92, 94, 95, GxMeg, Kiryu Saga, GFW). I think all the films I just stated will always have a place in my heart (maybe not GFW ), and will always be special for launching some great concepts and thanks to all the unique practical effects and filmmaking going into it, but Godzilla vs Kong just felt like the Godzilla formula was taken and a really solid monster flick was made.
A lot of other takes on Godzilla will still surpass this, especially those with some sort of greater societal impact, meaning, or merit, but I can safely say that I think Godzilla vs Kong will be one of those Godzilla films that people will still be talking about in a few years and be a major high point in the series for some people.
I gotta say, I hope they eventually do some big theater re-release. I know corona is still an issue, but man, watching it on a big screen really did make a difference.
Anyways, 3rd time around, I thought the action was just as fun and memorable. But I recognized this time, that damn do all the monsters destroy a lot of buildings while fighting. Godzilla, Kong and MG smash each other through a lot of buildings. Lots of good usage of “physical action” and setting. I think the set piece of Godzilla vs Kong in the ocean is fantastic. The action is also well-paced in the narrative. Save for a few brief moments, the movie is always hitting you with some sort of action, or emotion, or something to look it. It never ignores either monster for far too long and it keeps things snappy.
Third time around I really really loved Jia, Kong, Nathan and their little crew. I actually also liked Maddison and Bernie a bit more, but I felt Bernie was carrying their section. What I realized is that while I don’t think it’s intentional, it reminded me a lot of some of the stuff I like in older films, like eccentric characters sneaking around Godzilla Land in vs. Gigan. I’m sort of okay with some of the rushed villain stuff, because honestly they would have overstayed their welcome if they gave some big monologue and I think the movie was well aware of that with their swift deaths. Spare for a few brief moments, the film never gets overly stupid, or obnoxious, in both the characters and the monster action.
My only major complaint is *drum-roll* Mecha-Godzilla. I actually think the design is pretty good, and I thought it was “cool”. However, it’s the weakest part of the film for me, because it again feels like regressing and relying on an established monster, to appeal to Godzilla fans, versus doing something uniquely original. I thought the film did a good enough job at establishing a core of Godzilla and Kong, and then it sort of just tosses that to the side with MG. Not an easy problem with an easy solution, so I’m not really going to hate on the film for it. It did also feel like they gave sufficient thought and build up to it throughout.
I think now that I have had time to dwell on it, I could probably rate it just as high, if not higher, than some of the later Heisei Entries, and Millenium Entries (92, 94, 95, GxMeg, Kiryu Saga, GFW). I think all the films I just stated will always have a place in my heart (maybe not GFW ), and will always be special for launching some great concepts and thanks to all the unique practical effects and filmmaking going into it, but Godzilla vs Kong just felt like the Godzilla formula was taken and a really solid monster flick was made.
A lot of other takes on Godzilla will still surpass this, especially those with some sort of greater societal impact, meaning, or merit, but I can safely say that I think Godzilla vs Kong will be one of those Godzilla films that people will still be talking about in a few years and be a major high point in the series for some people.
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I'm surprised to say this, but I actually like how Kong was the one to beat MechaG. I am a Godzilla guy through and through, but this movie really managed to make Kong the heart of the movie and my primate-brain couldn't help but compel me to relate to him and go along with it.
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Chris55 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:09 pm Did a post release interview with Adam Wingard back in June. It was supposed to be out at the end of June but life got majorly intense but, here it is!
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I see where it's coming from, though I would have made it overall a lot quicker. the flashback doesn't need to recap the entirety of KotM, it just needs to establish that it was a Ghidorah head that Godzilla ripped off. 2 brief scenes in a first person perspective and a more distinct Ghidorah roar that transitioned into the digitized version would have sufficed.
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especially since the severed head wasn't around to see Ghidorah get incinerated at the endthe flashback doesn't need to recap the entirety of KotM
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Okay, so. This has been a post I've been menaing to make for some time now. To clarify, I have only seen Godzilla vs. Kong once so far, back when it was first released. I... well, I did not care for the movie. I haven't watched it again since then, though I do plan on doing so. So the following thoughts are based on my initial, months-old viewing. If when I watch it again and my opinion of the movie has notably changed, I'll make another post, but in the meanwhile, here are my initial thoughts on the film:
However, it's not all bad:
So, yeah. I don't hate this movie. There are some nice aspects to it. But I thought it was really stupid on a level the MonsterVerse had pretty much successfully managed to avoid until now and was fairly disappointing for a crossover of this magnitude.
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Greetings all! First post here, and if this has already been addressed before, my apologies. In what I consider a nod to the original(Universal)release of King Kong vs. Godzilla is the scene where Godzilla pursues Kong while crawling on all fours. Reminded me of the explanation of just what Godzilla is from KKvsG where the paleontologist describes Godzilla as a cross between a T-Rex and a Stegosaurus, which is exactly what I thought he looked like while pursuing Kong. You know, long back legs, short forelegs, tiny head, and plates on the back. The only thing missing were the tail spikes. Actually thinking back on it, there are a lot of subtle(and some not-so-subtle)nods to past kaiju films, many of which have already been discussed here. Just an observation I thought I'd pass along...
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TitanoGoji16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:26 pm Okay, so. This has been a post I've been menaing to make for some time now. To clarify, I have only seen Godzilla vs. Kong once so far, back when it was first released. I... well, I did not care for the movie. I haven't watched it again since then, though I do plan on doing so. So the following thoughts are based on my initial, months-old viewing. If when I watch it again and my opinion of the movie has notably changed, I'll make another post, but in the meanwhile, here are my initial thoughts on the film:
However, it's not all bad:Spoiler:
So, yeah. I don't hate this movie. There are some nice aspects to it. But I thought it was really stupid on a level the MonsterVerse had pretty much successfully managed to avoid until now and was fairly disappointing for a crossover of this magnitude.Spoiler:
You...pretty much summed up my thoughts and feelings on this movie. I loved seeing Godzilla and Kong battle again in modern times, and loved seeing Godzilla win (#TeamGodzilla), but ultimately I was kinda let down for the reasons you laid out. I mean, I enjoyed it, but not as much as I wanted to.
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Yep, basically all of this, with the addition that Kong and Godzilla's rivalry was so underexplained that the battles held little meaning for me. I didn't get what made Godzilla hate Kong so completely, while Kong seemed to just want nothing to do with Godzilla. No, comic book bandaids and "well, if you look real hard at the previous films and extrapolate to connect the dots..." don't count as an explanation. And whether it technically explains some things or not, Mechagodzilla muddying the issue is a major problem. Godzilla and Kong should've been focused on each other, and MG should've been unknown to both until the end.TitanoGoji16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:26 pm Okay, so. This has been a post I've been menaing to make for some time now. To clarify, I have only seen Godzilla vs. Kong once so far, back when it was first released. I... well, I did not care for the movie. I haven't watched it again since then, though I do plan on doing so. So the following thoughts are based on my initial, months-old viewing. If when I watch it again and my opinion of the movie has notably changed, I'll make another post, but in the meanwhile, here are my initial thoughts on the film:
However, it's not all bad:Spoiler:
So, yeah. I don't hate this movie. There are some nice aspects to it. But I thought it was really stupid on a level the MonsterVerse had pretty much successfully managed to avoid until now and was fairly disappointing for a crossover of this magnitude.Spoiler:
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Re: Godzilla vs. Kong Discussion Thread - FULL SPOILERS AHEAD
JAGzilla wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:13 amYep, basically all of this, with the addition that Kong and Godzilla's rivalry was so underexplained that the battles held little meaning for me. I didn't get what made Godzilla hate Kong so completely, while Kong seemed to just want nothing to do with Godzilla. No, comic book bandaids and "well, if you look real hard at the previous films and extrapolate to connect the dots..." don't count as an explanation. And whether it technically explains some things or not, Mechagodzilla muddying the issue is a major problem. Godzilla and Kong should've been focused on each other, and MG should've been unknown to both until the end.TitanoGoji16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:26 pm Okay, so. This has been a post I've been menaing to make for some time now. To clarify, I have only seen Godzilla vs. Kong once so far, back when it was first released. I... well, I did not care for the movie. I haven't watched it again since then, though I do plan on doing so. So the following thoughts are based on my initial, months-old viewing. If when I watch it again and my opinion of the movie has notably changed, I'll make another post, but in the meanwhile, here are my initial thoughts on the film:
However, it's not all bad:Spoiler:
So, yeah. I don't hate this movie. There are some nice aspects to it. But I thought it was really stupid on a level the MonsterVerse had pretty much successfully managed to avoid until now and was fairly disappointing for a crossover of this magnitude.Spoiler:
Using continuity is hardly extrapolating. The simple explanation based on movies only (and both KOTM and GvK were filmed almost at the same time and GvK was supposed to come out less than a year afterwards orginally before the pandemic hit so you can't say they didn't have some continuity in mind) is that
1. Godzilla rules the titans all around the world except Skull Island
2. Law of the titans is that there can only be one Alpha
3. If you agree to declare Godzilla is the alpha in a way he understands you, he let's you live (this is scene the first time when the monarch base in KOTM stands down and again when they turn off the boat in GvK).
4. If you don't submit, you're saying to Godzilla "submit to my rule or die".
5. Kong's POV is that he doesn't know nor care about the law of titans.
While Godzilla started the first fight under the assumption kong knows about Titan rule (we know Kong doesn't know but Godzilla doesn't know, therefore Kong not bowing to Godzilla is confirming Godzilla's suspicions from Godzilla's pov) second fight Kong started himself.
And before anyone jumps on "But Godzilla blow a hole in Hollow Earth", he didn't start until Hollow Earth radiation was being drawn to the surface. That means one of two explanations.
1. He didn't know Kong was down there and therefore he was warning anyone taking Hollow earth radiation better stop or die. Therefore it
2. If Godzilla did know Kong was down there, then he didn't care kong was down there until hollow earth radiation was being moved to the surface. Therefore Godzilla was giving Kong a warning to back off.
So if you really want to extend it, Godzilla was basically using an extreme version of castle doctrine on the world except skull Island.
Keep mind everything mentioned is movies only.
And another per peeve: GvK is not the first time Godzilla went on all fours. He's on all fours briefly in KOTM right before he lights up Ghidorah's head in his mouth.
GVK: TNE is a modern day 70s Showa Godzilla movie. Being a massive budget modern blockbuster CGI film instead of traditional 70s tokusatsu techniques doesn't change that. Fight me.
Anguirus and Godzilla being friends in the Showa series is cannon. Deal with it.
Monsterverse is not similar to either MCU nor Bayformers just because all three are big budget CGI blockbuster franchises.
Anguirus and Godzilla being friends in the Showa series is cannon. Deal with it.
Monsterverse is not similar to either MCU nor Bayformers just because all three are big budget CGI blockbuster franchises.
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Re: Godzilla vs. Kong Discussion Thread - FULL SPOILERS AHEAD
Godzilla's relationship with Ghidorah is all you really need to explain his relationship with Kong. More information makes the stroy complete but Kong not knowing his place in the world doesn't stop Godzilla from being worried.
If I raised a Lion in the zoo and then brought him to another pride in Africa, the Alpha is still going to run him off.
If I raised a Lion in the zoo and then brought him to another pride in Africa, the Alpha is still going to run him off.
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