How could Toho make Godzilla even "weirder"? What new directions might they go in after 2020?

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How could Toho make Godzilla even "weirder"? What new directions might they go in after 2020?

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As the title above says, assuming the next Toho Godzilla incarnation after 2020 is 'nontraditional', like the incarnations featured in Shin Godzilla and the GODZILLA anime trilogy, how could they top Godzilla Earth's origins as a plant-based lifeform? I'm not entirely sure myself, but, off the top of my head, here are a bunch of ideas for directions they might possibly (emphasis on might possibly, none of these are actually likely at all) go in:

Godzilla as a mammal.
Godzilla as an amphibian.
Godzilla as a fish.
Godzilla as an arthropod.
Godzilla being female instead of male.
Godzilla as a dragon.
Godzilla as an alien.
Godzilla as an eldritch abomination.
Godzilla as a demon.
Godzilla as a zombie.
Godzilla being the weakest kaiju in whatever new continuity he appears in.
Godzilla as a genetically-engineered creature.
Godzilla as an intangible, ghostly nature spirit instead of a physical being.
Godzilla being a shapeshifter.
Godzilla as a magical being/explicitly having magic-based powers.
Godzilla having feathers/being bird-like.
Godzilla not being able to swim.
Godzilla not having atomic breath/dorsal plates/a tail.
Godzilla not having eyes, teeth, a tongue, and/or a set of jaws.
Godzilla having more than four limbs and/or multiple heads.
Godzilla being quadrupedal.
Godzilla having wings/being able to fly in a way other than how he did in Godzilla vs. Hedorah.
Godzilla having less/more than three rows of dorsal plates.
Godzilla being able to speak fluently and have conversations with human characters.
Godzilla making and/or using tools and/or technology.
Godzilla being much shorter in height than 50 meters.
Godzilla being far larger in height than 300 meters.
Godzilla having a color palette nobody was expecting for him, such as pink skin and a yellow atomic breath.
Godzilla having a completely new roar that sounds nothing like any of his previous roars.
Godzilla not being able to roar at all.

Again, I seriously doubt that Toho would ever do any of the above, these are just a bunch of random examples. Please keep that in mind.

What do you guys think they might do, assuming they decide to make another "weird" Godzilla?
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Seeing Godzilla turned into an octopus like he originally was intended to be.

I also remember someone working on the original thought Gojira would be a giant frog, so that too.
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They could take the Millenium concept and run with it. Give pretty much any director who wanted to do a Godzilla movie the chance to do their own take on the character, like they let Anno do in Shin.

Was thinking of doing a pop culture AH timeline where Toho decides to do just that instead of embarking on their World of Godzilla project, resulting in Tarantino getting to make his “Living Under the Rule of Godzilla” concept into a movie (retitled One Nation Under Godzilla).
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Maybe not a full on mammal, but I would not mind if they make him into a mutated prehistoric synapsid or something like that. I mean, he always had quasi mammalian features in his face.
A Dimetrodon like creature or a gorgonopsid can certinialy fit the bill imo.
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Nothing that will alter the shape of him, that’s for sure. Toho shot down a multi-headed Godzilla idea for Shin.
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Make him a giant cloud.
Give him nipples.
Make him look like Baraka.
Have him turned out to be a washed-up actor paid by a mastermind.
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There won't be any changes to Godzilla that make the character completely unrecognizable or unable to make a toy out of.
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Oh man I just had the dumbest but best idea ever.

I want a Godzilla salaryman comedy. Have him working in an office building with other kaiju, like a giant monster version of Aggretsuko.
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UltramanGoji wrote:Oh man I just had the dumbest but best idea ever.

I want a Godzilla salaryman comedy. Have him working in an office building with other kaiju, like a giant monster version of Aggretsuko.
I would watch the shit out that.

...You know what? Fuck it, I'm turning that into a comic. That idea needs to see the light of day somehow.

Regarding Godzilla's shape being altered, I wonder if Toho would accept a Godzilla that has three fingers or five fingers. I remember that they stipulated that he has to have four fingers back in the '90s, when the first American film was still in production, but I'm not sure if they'd still be insistent on that nowadays.
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I was just thinking, what about a Godzilla that evolved/mutated from an actual sea reptile? A Pliosaur or a Mosasaurid for example. Or heck, even a Marine Crocodile/Metrionychid? (Dakosaurus is already nicknamed "Godzilla" lol). Maybe it's not as weird as the other ideas here, but imo it can be a great way to make a Godzilla that feels both classic and fresh.
Perhaps they can focus more on the aquatic characteristics- give him a flatter tail or dorsal plates that resemble fins for example.
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Make the Jira part literal and have a Godzilla that evolved from whales.
The design could be based on primitive whales like Basilosaurus and Pakicetus that could give both a prehistoric look and still keep some of the reptilian ish traits.
It could also allow a lot of the same traits of other Godzillas (intelligence, communication, swimming ability, etc.) and people couldn't whine about how a dinosaur could do that.
Another idea I had for this version I came up with was have the spines be a coral type that fused with the proto-Godzilla when it was hit by the bomb and symbiotically aids it with radiation absorption.
Anyway, that's an idea for a radically different Godzilla I've had kicking around for a while.

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I want a Godzilla salaryman comedy. Have him working in an office building with other kaiju, like a giant monster version of Aggretsuko.
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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:Make the Jira part literal and have a Godzilla that evolved from whales.
The design could be based on primitive whales like Basilosaurus and Pakicetus that could give both a prehistoric look and still keep some of the reptilian ish traits.
It could also allow a lot of the same traits of other Godzillas (intelligence, communication, swimming ability, etc.) and people couldn't whine about how a dinosaur could do that.
Another idea I had for this version I came up with was have the spines be a coral type that fused with the proto-Godzilla when it was hit by the bomb and symbiotically aids it with radiation absorption.
Anyway, that's an idea for a radically different Godzilla I've had kicking around for a while.

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UltramanGoji wrote:Oh man I just had the dumbest but best idea ever.

I want a Godzilla salaryman comedy. Have him working in an office building with other kaiju, like a giant monster version of Aggretsuko.
Is it bad that I actually think it's a cool idea :)?
Basing him off an ancient whale would explain both reptilian and mammalian features simultaneously, and it won't affect his basic sillhouette and design.
I prefer a reptilian Godzilla myself, but if they wanna shake things up and turn him into another animal, then this is a rather nice option.

Also, the Godzilla office comedy idea is gold :lol:
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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:Make the Jira part literal and have a Godzilla that evolved from whales.
Heck, why not go all in and make him an actual cross between a gorilla and a whale?
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To add to the discussion, apperantly there was an alternative origin purposed for Godzilla in the Heisei era, which is some sort of weird whale thing:

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So, this is not the 1st time the idea was brought up.
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Wish Clive Barker could have gotten his hands on Godzilla.
Godzilla with strange lights, and eerie sounds, hallucination inducing eyes. Sign me up.
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PitchBlackProgress wrote:Wish Clive Barker could have gotten his hands on Godzilla.
Godzilla with strange lights, and eerie sounds, hallucination inducing eyes. Sign me up.
Actually, what you're describing here is a different project that was suggested in the 70's, and it was meant to be a Toho production. It was called "God's angry messenger" and it was penned by Aramaki.

Though i'm sure that Clive would have done something similar, considering he was going for an apocalyptic approach. Would have loved seeing it.
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Maybe they'll make a Godzilla movie that isn't nationalistic, uyoku dentai propaganda for once.
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Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:Maybe they'll make a Godzilla movie that isn't nationalistic, uyoku dentai propaganda for once.
Ukyo Dentai?

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Sorry, *dantai.
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Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:Maybe they'll make a Godzilla movie that isn't nationalistic, uyoku dentai propaganda for once.
Even acknowledging that, yes, Shin Godzilla does have some troubling thematic undercurrents in regard to nationalism (none so far or so blind that make it less a work of art, but yes, they are there to read into), that's like three steps too far in terms of accusation.

Re: Thread: While it does seem like a given that the basic tenets as far as Godzilla himself will always been in place (saurian monster, shoots atomic breath), I do hope they let directors and writers run wild with setting theme, and any interpretation of the monster himself that might serve him without being completely unrecognizable to the iconography.

I still want that stylized, '60s period piece set in a technicolor monster-infested world. Like a twisted lens on where we left the Showa era series.
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