Godzilla (Showa) vs Godzilla (Monsterverse)

[Breakdown]

I like how people bitched enough about the scaling to get it edited to skew in Showa's favor because they either don't understand how FM scaling works or just want Showa to have every possible advantage. You people realize that the Monsterverse uses the Toho 100-meter scale, right? Showa Godzilla put on that scale would be 100 meters and 40,000 tons. Likewise GvK Godzilla put on the Toho 50-meter scale would be 60 meters tall and 50,000 tons (which the revised OP admittedly gets correct). He's a thicc boi. So why does Showa suddenly get to be 1.5x heavier than he should be, thus screwing with his scaling and artificially inflating all his strength feats?

I’ve always assumed that if they are that far into their history, they’d at least have all the knowledge and combat experience of their past, but if it’s just stuff seen in that movie, he has the ability to suddenly appear in the middle of a city somehow. Then had the strength to unbury himself, after being punted over a mountain and striking the ground hard enough to crater, getting shot into unconsciousness by missiles and being lifted by his face, and the ground above him being patted down into a shallow grave. He then immediately rushed through an all out assault moments afterwards by Mechagodzilla like he didn’t just get the shit kicked out of him. All this in a fight against two stronger opponents. Meanwhile, MV became exhausted after fighting Kong, who had a beam absorbing axe and was a crafty fighter sure, then got his ass handed to him by MV Mechagodzilla dragging his face into every building around them.

Nice job hyping up Showa while downplaying MV. I can do that too:

MV Godzilla has the ability to fire a beam strong enough to blast a 50+ meter wide hole clear down to the center of the earth in a matter of several minutes. After doing so he still had the energy to defeat Kong. During that battle he shrugged off getting an axe buried in his thigh and sustained an explosive blast directly to his face which was strong enough to send him flying at least a couple hundred meters, which he almost immediately got up from unscathed. He proceeded to give Kong mauling bad enough that the ape's shoulder was dislocated and heart ultimately would have stopped if not for some timely human intervention. Even after boring a kaiju-sized hole down to the center of the earth with his beam and effectively killing another kaiju whose species his own had an ancient rivalry with, Godzilla still rushed into battle with Mechagodzilla with no hesitation. During this he shrugged off a volley of missiles followed by a high-velocity rocket punch with the entirety of the mecha's superior mass behind it, being struck by a beam powerful enough to violently hurl him backwards and leave a massive burn on his chest, and being ragdolled around the city for several minutes straight. Once Kong was revived, Godzilla then immediately rejoined the fight like he didn't just get the shit kicked out of him. All this in two fights against opponents rivaling or stronger than himself. Meanwhile, Showa Godzilla was rendered unconscious by a couple missiles and punches to the jaw.

Adding onto this, in KOTM:

- Was strong enough that when he and Ghidorah clashed, it produced visible shockwaves on two occasions

- His beam was powerful enough to push back the 141,056 ton King Ghidorah

- Was able to withstand 141,056 tons of Ghidorah slamming into his face. Ghidorah was in mid-flight and thus likely packed a significant amount of extra force behind it. All this force and weight was focused specifically on his head and neck. The fact that his skull and neck vertebra didn't get obliterated is impressive.

- Was able to survive being dropped from the upper atmosphere and not get splattered upon landing back on earth.

[Nagoda]

Adding onto this, in KOTM:

- Was strong enough that when he and Ghidorah clashed, it produced visible shockwaves on two occasions

- His beam was powerful enough to push back the 141,056 ton King Ghidorah

- Was able to withstand 141,056 tons of Ghidorah slamming into his face. Ghidorah was in mid-flight and thus likely packed a significant amount of extra force behind it. All this force and weight was focused specifically on his head and neck. The fact that his skull and neck vertebra didn't get obliterated is impressive.

- Was able to survive being dropped from the upper atmosphere and not get splattered upon landing back on earth.

Hey if people are going to state that Showa can only have his feats from ToMG specifically and nothing beforehand, then the same applies to Monsterverse. Cause otherwise, Showa would be allowed to fly, use magnetism, Bite things, and kangaroo kick.

[LamangoKaijura]

Only thing Showa Godzilla has over MV Godzilla is the speed. As seen in someone's signature, he can fucking beat you down in rapid succession. But that's null if MVGoji decides to go primal and crawl like a fucking chupacabra. But then you also got to remember, MV Godzilla gets winded, he got winded during his fights with the MUTO, got super winded during his fight with Ghidorah, and only was on his A game against Kong, then instantly went back to being winded against MechaGodzilla. TOMG Godzilla gets winded too, but after a series of abuse, being beaten on by Titanosaurus, blasted by MG, getting booted out of the center of Tokyo to what appears to be the Mt. Fuji range, burried, literally stomped on, and was out for a few moments, then burst out of the ground like nothing happened.

Giving it to MV though. Unlike TOMG Godzilla, MV uses his jaws as well as his claws better.

[_JNavs_]

I think the difference here is the MV Goji has continuity which benefits him. TOMG G has no continuity other than GvMG.

So at least he has the ability to... pull metal towards him?

[Nagoda]

I think the difference here is the MV Goji has continuity which benefits him. TOMG G has no continuity other than GvMG.

So at least he has the ability to... pull metal towards him?

So... nothing before vs Mechagodzilla is part of Showa’s Continuity is what you are saying here, even though they all link together very easily as seen with Gigan linking to Megalon, which links to Zone Fighter with Gigan’s appearance, which then links to Mechagodzilla with Anguirus finally getting out of the ground after falling into the earth in Megalon, then to Terror of Mechagodzilla which is the one in use here. What part of those movies won’t benefit Showa? And if nothing before vs Mechagodzilla is part of this Godzilla’s continuity, then who the hell was that before vs Mechagodzilla?

[Voyager]

I think the difference here is the MV Goji has continuity which benefits him. TOMG G has no continuity other than GvMG.

So at least he has the ability to... pull metal towards him?

So, you’re not only ignoring ZF but 12 other movies from 55-73? It’s the same Godzilla and character.

You’re either sorely mistaken or you’re fabricating lies about Showa G.

Added in 8 minutes 39 seconds:

I think the difference here is the MV Goji has continuity which benefits him. TOMG G has no continuity other than GvMG.

So at least he has the ability to... pull metal towards him?

So... nothing before vs Mechagodzilla is part of Showa’s Continuity is what you are saying here, even though they all link together very easily as seen with Gigan linking to Megalon, which links to Zone Fighter with Gigan’s appearance, which then links to Mechagodzilla with Anguirus finally getting out of the ground after falling into the earth in Megalon, then to Terror of Mechagodzilla which is the one in use here. What part of those movies won’t benefit Showa? And if nothing before vs Mechagodzilla is part of this Godzilla’s continuity, then who the hell was that before vs Mechagodzilla?

Even to add on, they use footage of previous monster attacks in ToMG including King Ghidorah and Rodan in ToMG.

[_JNavs_]

I think the difference here is the MV Goji has continuity which benefits him. TOMG G has no continuity other than GvMG.

So at least he has the ability to... pull metal towards him?

but 12 other movies from 55-73? It’s the same Godzilla and character.

You’re either sorely mistaken or you’re fabricating lies about Showa G.

Yes I'm ignoring Zone Fighter, but that's besides the point, you're telling me the continuity between 54-73 is flawless? They were very obviously going for whatever the director wanted to do for the specific movie at the time. Similar to Millennium.

[Voyager]

I think the difference here is the MV Goji has continuity which benefits him. TOMG G has no continuity other than GvMG.

So at least he has the ability to... pull metal towards him?

but 12 other movies from 55-73? It’s the same Godzilla and character.

You’re either sorely mistaken or you’re fabricating lies about Showa G.

Yes I'm ignoring Zone Fighter, but that's besides the point, you're telling me the continuity between 54-73 is flawless? They were very obviously going for whatever the director wanted to do for the specific movie at the time. Similar to Millennium.

But it’s the same continuity. That’s the accepted consensus. Let me give an outline. Not saying it’s flawless.

55 comes around, gets stuck in the ice. 62 breaks out of the ice. He falls into water. He washes up sometime between 62 and 64, and rises from the ground from tsunami wreckage. He falls into the water and in GTTHM he gets out of the water. He ends the movie in the country side which is where he’s chilling in 65. He falls into the ocean, and goes to Letchi. Same thing happens in 66 and goes to Sollgel. 4 years past and in 71 he’s doing stuff. He ends up on Monster Island in 72 and returns in 73, where it’s destroyed by Nuclear Tests.

That’s the brief outline of his entries and exits of movies from 55-73.

Are you saying TK is wrong, Wikizilla is wrong, various official guidebooks and the like are wrong? It’s the same character.

[Zasraniec]

lol someone tag this as fight of the century!

[Jermobooka]

Looks like history did repeat itself. 6 years later, to be exact

http://www.tohokingdom.com/forum/viewto ... 35&t=24247

[_JNavs_]

but 12 other movies from 55-73? It’s the same Godzilla and character.

You’re either sorely mistaken or you’re fabricating lies about Showa G.

Yes I'm ignoring Zone Fighter, but that's besides the point, you're telling me the continuity between 54-73 is flawless? They were very obviously going for whatever the director wanted to do for the specific movie at the time. Similar to Millennium.

But it’s the same continuity. That’s the accepted consensus. Let me give an outline. Not saying it’s flawless.

55 comes around, gets stuck in the ice. 62 breaks out of the ice. He falls into water. He washes up sometime between 62 and 64, and rises from the ground from tsunami wreckage. He falls into the water and in GTTHM he gets out of the water. He ends the movie in the country side which is where he’s chilling in 65. He falls into the ocean, and goes to Letchi. Same thing happens in 66 and goes to Sollgel. 4 years past and in 71 he’s doing stuff. He ends up on Monster Island in 72 and returns in 73, where it’s destroyed by Nuclear Tests.

That’s the brief outline of his entries and exits of movies from 55-73.

Are you saying TK is wrong, Wikizilla is wrong, various official guidebooks and the like are wrong? It’s the same character.

Wikizilla is easily editable so that's a non-factor, TK is... TK, and official guidebooks aren't always going by director intentions.

Regardless, if we're to say the entire Showa series is under one streamlined continuity, I'll assume every time he fell into the water or fell off a cliff etc., he konked his head ridiculously hard on very big rocks, thus needing severe plastic surgery, and coming out of said surgery with a completely different personality, character, and outlook on life (and even a child).

He gains various superpowers, such as the ability to fly, becoming magnetic, broke gravity by sliding a good mile on his tail, and learns how to dance (presumably from the Jackson Five) in 1965.

If we take all this into consideration, then we must also consider that his brother in 1954 dropped the ball big time, as his first recorded attack on Tokyo resulted in him getting put on ice an hour later.


With all this being said, Legendary Godzilla would still rip TOMGs trachea out as he watches with his giant animated eyes in Terror (heh).

[Nagoda]

Yes I'm ignoring Zone Fighter, but that's besides the point, you're telling me the continuity between 54-73 is flawless? They were very obviously going for whatever the director wanted to do for the specific movie at the time. Similar to Millennium.

But it’s the same continuity. That’s the accepted consensus. Let me give an outline. Not saying it’s flawless.

55 comes around, gets stuck in the ice. 62 breaks out of the ice. He falls into water. He washes up sometime between 62 and 64, and rises from the ground from tsunami wreckage. He falls into the water and in GTTHM he gets out of the water. He ends the movie in the country side which is where he’s chilling in 65. He falls into the ocean, and goes to Letchi. Same thing happens in 66 and goes to Sollgel. 4 years past and in 71 he’s doing stuff. He ends up on Monster Island in 72 and returns in 73, where it’s destroyed by Nuclear Tests.

That’s the brief outline of his entries and exits of movies from 55-73.

Are you saying TK is wrong, Wikizilla is wrong, various official guidebooks and the like are wrong? It’s the same character.

Wikizilla is easily editable so that's a non-factor, TK is... TK, and official guidebooks aren't always going by director intentions.

Regardless, if we're to say the entire Showa series is under one streamlined continuity, I'll assume every time he fell into the water or fell off a cliff etc., he konked his head ridiculously hard on very big rocks, thus needing severe plastic surgery, and coming out of said surgery with a completely different personality, character, and outlook on life (and even a child).

He gains various superpowers, such as the ability to fly, becoming magnetic, broke gravity by sliding a good mile on his tail, and learns how to dance (presumably from the Jackson Five) in 1965.

If we take all this into consideration, then we must also consider that his brother in 1954 dropped the ball big time, as his first recorded attack on Tokyo resulted in him getting put on ice an hour later.


With all this being said, Legendary Godzilla would still rip TOMGs trachea out as he watches with his giant animated eyes in Terror (heh).

Ah yes, I see. So by your own logic, KOTM/GvK MV Godzilla is a whole different monster than 2014, since he’s got different spines, toes, and design compared to 2014 since monsters aren’t allowed to change their looks between movies.

Anyways, the Showa Godzilla movies DO have continuity. You just don’t want to see it. If you watched them, you would notice that most of them have continuity with previous entries. For instance, Raids again ends with an iceberg, which Godzilla comes out of in King Kong vs Godzilla which ends with the two falling into the sea with an earthquake and landslide, which a tsunami then moves and buries a sleeping Godzilla where he then falls into the ocean again to awaken a year later to fight Rodan and Ghidorah, then goes to rest in a lake where he is kidnapped by aliens and freed from alien control where he falls into the ocean and drifts into a mountain cavern to rest in Ebirah, where he is forcefully awoken and forced to leave after it’s nuclear reactor self destructs, leading him to a new island where another of his species is telepathically calling to him and they both get frozen by a weather machine, Revenge never happened as it’s a dream, DAM hasn’t happened yet as it’s the future, then after he defrosts, he goes to fight Hedorah after seeing all the pollution in the sea, then he and Anguirus go fight Gigan cause something funnies going on, leading to Gigan returning to fight alongside Megalon and Anguirus is sucked into the earth by Monster Island self destructing, and then we ignore Zone Fighter cause you don’t want to admit that it exists with its weird feats of strength like fighting off half the Terror Beasts in a single episode, leading to Mechagodzilla where Anguirus gets free from his imprisonment in the earth only to get his ass kicked by Mechagodzilla and retreat to call Godzilla for back up, thus leading to ToMG where Godzilla shows up in the middle of a city at night to deal with Titanosaurus and a rebuilt Mechagodzilla.

And if we go by your idea of Directors intentions, Gigan to Mechagodzilla we’re all directed by the same guy, Jun Fukuda, while ToMG was directed by Ishiro Honda. If having the same director on the three films prior to ToMG doesn’t establish some continuity there, then by the same logic none of the Monsterverse movies have continuity as they all follow different directors intentions, meaning everything in the past films is still meaningless as it was earlier when you and some other guy tried to establish it was only the two from the film the come from with only feats from that movie, and nothing before mattered.

[_JNavs_]

But it’s the same continuity. That’s the accepted consensus. Let me give an outline. Not saying it’s flawless.

55 comes around, gets stuck in the ice. 62 breaks out of the ice. He falls into water. He washes up sometime between 62 and 64, and rises from the ground from tsunami wreckage. He falls into the water and in GTTHM he gets out of the water. He ends the movie in the country side which is where he’s chilling in 65. He falls into the ocean, and goes to Letchi. Same thing happens in 66 and goes to Sollgel. 4 years past and in 71 he’s doing stuff. He ends up on Monster Island in 72 and returns in 73, where it’s destroyed by Nuclear Tests.

That’s the brief outline of his entries and exits of movies from 55-73.

Are you saying TK is wrong, Wikizilla is wrong, various official guidebooks and the like are wrong? It’s the same character.

Wikizilla is easily editable so that's a non-factor, TK is... TK, and official guidebooks aren't always going by director intentions.

Regardless, if we're to say the entire Showa series is under one streamlined continuity, I'll assume every time he fell into the water or fell off a cliff etc., he konked his head ridiculously hard on very big rocks, thus needing severe plastic surgery, and coming out of said surgery with a completely different personality, character, and outlook on life (and even a child).

He gains various superpowers, such as the ability to fly, becoming magnetic, broke gravity by sliding a good mile on his tail, and learns how to dance (presumably from the Jackson Five) in 1965.

If we take all this into consideration, then we must also consider that his brother in 1954 dropped the ball big time, as his first recorded attack on Tokyo resulted in him getting put on ice an hour later.


With all this being said, Legendary Godzilla would still rip TOMGs trachea out as he watches with his giant animated eyes in Terror (heh).

Ah yes, I see. So by your own logic, KOTM/GvK MV Godzilla is a whole different monster than 2014, since he’s got different spines, toes, and design compared to 2014 since monsters aren’t allowed to change their looks between movies.

Anyways, the Showa Godzilla movies DO have continuity. You just don’t want to see it. If you watched them, you would notice that most of them have continuity with previous entries. For instance, Raids again ends with an iceberg, which Godzilla comes out of in King Kong vs Godzilla which ends with the two falling into the sea with an earthquake and landslide, which a tsunami then moves and buries a sleeping Godzilla where he then falls into the ocean again to awaken a year later to fight Rodan and Ghidorah, then goes to rest in a lake where he is kidnapped by aliens and freed from alien control where he falls into the ocean and drifts into a mountain cavern to rest in Ebirah, where he is forcefully awoken and forced to leave after it’s nuclear reactor self destructs, leading him to a new island where another of his species is telepathically calling to him and they both get frozen by a weather machine, Revenge never happened as it’s a dream, DAM hasn’t happened yet as it’s the future, then after he defrosts, he goes to fight Hedorah after seeing all the pollution in the sea, then he and Anguirus go fight Gigan cause something funnies going on, leading to Gigan returning to fight alongside Megalon and Anguirus is sucked into the earth by Monster Island self destructing, and then we ignore Zone Fighter cause you don’t want to admit that it exists with its weird feats of strength like fighting off half the Terror Beasts in a single episode, leading to Mechagodzilla where Anguirus gets free from his imprisonment in the earth only to get his ass kicked by Mechagodzilla and retreat to call Godzilla for back up, thus leading to ToMG where Godzilla shows up in the middle of a city at night to deal with Titanosaurus and a rebuilt Mechagodzilla.

And if we go by your idea of Directors intentions, Gigan to Mechagodzilla we’re all directed by the same guy, Jun Fukuda, while ToMG was directed by Ishiro Honda. If having the same director on the three films prior to ToMG doesn’t establish some continuity there, then by the same logic none of the Monsterverse movies have continuity as they all follow different directors intentions, meaning everything in the past films is still meaningless as it was earlier when you and some other guy tried to establish it was only the two from the film the come from with only feats from that movie, and nothing before mattered.

No no, what I meant by "directors intentions" is what they intended their ideas to be. Most of the Showa era had the loosest of connections because their directors wanted to make a "Godzilla movie", not "I want to make a sequel to King Kong vs Godzilla" or "man I can't wait to take the sequel to Godzilla vs Hedorah to somewhere completely new!". Also, my whole reason for bringing up director intentions wasn't even in context to this fight lol, it was to counter Voyager's comment about "official guide books" which are known to include information from films that the directors never intended.

Again, the Showa films have the vaguest strips of continuity, because continuity wasn't a focus back then, which isn't a bad thing. But in terms of this current Fantasy match, TOMG Godzilla is specified since the Showa Godzillas vary hugely in character, personality, skill, and power, to the point where, as I've said, they're essentially different characters. Though touching on your point about "my logic" dictating G14 not being the same character as G21, of course he is, because he has one consistent story where he stays the same consistent character, with specific reasons for said changes.

The Godzilla from Raids Again is not the same Godzilla from Son of Godzilla or TOMG, to me. Someone who has, yes, in fact watched all the Showa films.

[Moth]

the only way MV Goji wins this is if you are delusional and pretend it's only TOMG feats being applied here or take words literally.
with zone fighter feats, Monsterverse Goji is being beaten into a fine mashed potato.

Monsterverse Goji HATES opponents faster than him, now imagine one that can actually take a hit or a dozen unlike Kong. MV being laid out here like a deck of cards.

[Nagoda]

Wikizilla is easily editable so that's a non-factor, TK is... TK, and official guidebooks aren't always going by director intentions.

Regardless, if we're to say the entire Showa series is under one streamlined continuity, I'll assume every time he fell into the water or fell off a cliff etc., he konked his head ridiculously hard on very big rocks, thus needing severe plastic surgery, and coming out of said surgery with a completely different personality, character, and outlook on life (and even a child).

He gains various superpowers, such as the ability to fly, becoming magnetic, broke gravity by sliding a good mile on his tail, and learns how to dance (presumably from the Jackson Five) in 1965.

If we take all this into consideration, then we must also consider that his brother in 1954 dropped the ball big time, as his first recorded attack on Tokyo resulted in him getting put on ice an hour later.


With all this being said, Legendary Godzilla would still rip TOMGs trachea out as he watches with his giant animated eyes in Terror (heh).

Ah yes, I see. So by your own logic, KOTM/GvK MV Godzilla is a whole different monster than 2014, since he’s got different spines, toes, and design compared to 2014 since monsters aren’t allowed to change their looks between movies.

Anyways, the Showa Godzilla movies DO have continuity. You just don’t want to see it. If you watched them, you would notice that most of them have continuity with previous entries. For instance, Raids again ends with an iceberg, which Godzilla comes out of in King Kong vs Godzilla which ends with the two falling into the sea with an earthquake and landslide, which a tsunami then moves and buries a sleeping Godzilla where he then falls into the ocean again to awaken a year later to fight Rodan and Ghidorah, then goes to rest in a lake where he is kidnapped by aliens and freed from alien control where he falls into the ocean and drifts into a mountain cavern to rest in Ebirah, where he is forcefully awoken and forced to leave after it’s nuclear reactor self destructs, leading him to a new island where another of his species is telepathically calling to him and they both get frozen by a weather machine, Revenge never happened as it’s a dream, DAM hasn’t happened yet as it’s the future, then after he defrosts, he goes to fight Hedorah after seeing all the pollution in the sea, then he and Anguirus go fight Gigan cause something funnies going on, leading to Gigan returning to fight alongside Megalon and Anguirus is sucked into the earth by Monster Island self destructing, and then we ignore Zone Fighter cause you don’t want to admit that it exists with its weird feats of strength like fighting off half the Terror Beasts in a single episode, leading to Mechagodzilla where Anguirus gets free from his imprisonment in the earth only to get his ass kicked by Mechagodzilla and retreat to call Godzilla for back up, thus leading to ToMG where Godzilla shows up in the middle of a city at night to deal with Titanosaurus and a rebuilt Mechagodzilla.

And if we go by your idea of Directors intentions, Gigan to Mechagodzilla we’re all directed by the same guy, Jun Fukuda, while ToMG was directed by Ishiro Honda. If having the same director on the three films prior to ToMG doesn’t establish some continuity there, then by the same logic none of the Monsterverse movies have continuity as they all follow different directors intentions, meaning everything in the past films is still meaningless as it was earlier when you and some other guy tried to establish it was only the two from the film the come from with only feats from that movie, and nothing before mattered.

No no, what I meant by "directors intentions" is what they intended their ideas to be. Most of the Showa era had the loosest of connections because their directors wanted to make a "Godzilla movie", not "I want to make a sequel to King Kong vs Godzilla" or "man I can't wait to take the sequel to Godzilla vs Hedorah to somewhere completely new!". Also, my whole reason for bringing up director intentions wasn't even in context to this fight lol, it was to counter Voyager's comment about "official guide books" which are known to include information from films that the directors never intended.

Again, the Showa films have the vaguest strips of continuity, because continuity wasn't a focus back then, which isn't a bad thing. But in terms of this current Fantasy match, TOMG Godzilla is specified since the Showa Godzillas vary hugely in character, personality, skill, and power, to the point where, as I've said, they're essentially different characters. Though touching on your point about "my logic" dictating G14 not being the same character as G21, of course he is, because he has one consistent story where he stays the same consistent character, with specific reasons for said changes.

The Godzilla from Raids Again is not the same Godzilla from Son of Godzilla or TOMG, to me. Someone who has, yes, in fact watched all the Showa films.

And as I said before, at least from Gigan to ToMG, he’s the same consistent character going through these movies for the same exact purpose of go stop alien invader from destroying Japan with a consistent storyline linking these four together while ignoring Zone Fighter cause you don’t like it with relatively the same costume design with specific reasons for his changes in these movies being he’s gotten his face and neck area reshaped almost every film by violent means. And by including those three films, we get Magnetism, sliding drop kicks, appearing in the middle of a city out of nowhere, and still being able to fight like nothing happened after getting his face smashed in, his shoulder cut open, and being blasted by a tower which was going to kill him if it continued firing. Just by including vs Mechagodzilla, you give him Magnetism and the stamina to continue fighting even after having a gaping wound in his neck that spurts out blood with each hit alongside having several missile holes in his chest.

[Voyager]

Maybe JNavs has a hate boner for Showa Goji. I got it from the design bracket, and now this. Whether you like it or not JNavs, the Godzilla from GRA is the same Godzilla as the other 13 Showa films.

Also, Showa Godzilla goes through something we like to call... character development. The reason he varies in personality from movie to movie is because he grows as a character. From 55-64 he hated humanity for what it did to him, and in GTTHM, Godzilla learned that humanity isn’t the greatest evil, and he doesn’t have to constantly attack them. So from 65-66 he’s relatively more calm, but he still attacks humanity when provoked, probably from human misunderstanding. Then in 67, the most important thing to his character happens.

He learns to care. By raising Minya, Goji realises that care is one of the most important things in life. Then from 71-75 you can easily see this being the same Godzilla as they display the same characteristics. And in 99 Godzilla attacks because he’s under mind control and then when he’s set free he does his usual thing of beating an alien to a pulp, but this time he actually killed Ghidorah.

[_JNavs_]

That's all inference, I think the problem, Voyager, is you're glorifying concepts about the Showa era that just aren't there. You did this in the design brackets as well.

I'd like to hear from one of the Showa professionals of this forum, their thoughts on the matter. I wouldn't say the idea of character development was even the intention of the Showa era. They weren't trying to turn a horrific nuclear allegory into the worlds most huggable dad with more superpowers than the Man of Steel.

Me not seeing the Showa era with the same goggles as you, does not imply that I somehow hate the Showa films.

[Voyager]

That's all inference, I think the problem, Voyager, is you're glorifying concepts about the Showa era that just aren't there. You did this in the design brackets as well.

I'd like to hear from one of the Showa professionals of this forum, their thoughts on the matter. I wouldn't say the idea of character development was even the intention of the Showa era. They weren't trying to turn a horrific nuclear allegory into the worlds most huggable dad with more superpowers than the Man of Steel.

Me not seeing the Showa era with the same goggles as you, does not imply that I somehow hate the Showa films.

You know, we’re getting off topic. I’ll make a new thread about this.

[Showa Gojira]

the only way MV Goji wins this is if you are delusional and pretend it's only TOMG feats being applied here or take words literally.
with zone fighter feats, Monsterverse Goji is being beaten into a fine mashed potato.

Monsterverse Goji HATES opponents faster than him, now imagine one that can actually take a hit or a dozen unlike Kong. MV being laid out here like a deck of cards.

^ This. I decided to stop posting in Fantasy Matches ages ago but I saw this match between two of my favorite Godzillas and I decided to make an exception. Showa Godzilla is at least as strong, he's faster, and also more skilled. It would be a highly entertaining fight but in the end Showa Godzilla's kaiju kung fu skills would win him the fight. Makes me happy to see Showa monsters actually getting respected around here, I remember back when I was on Kaijuphile people thought Showa Godzilla would lose to pretty much any Heisei or Millennium monster because the special effects weren't as flashy.

[Breakdown]

Adding onto this, in KOTM:

- Was strong enough that when he and Ghidorah clashed, it produced visible shockwaves on two occasions

- His beam was powerful enough to push back the 141,056 ton King Ghidorah

- Was able to withstand 141,056 tons of Ghidorah slamming into his face. Ghidorah was in mid-flight and thus likely packed a significant amount of extra force behind it. All this force and weight was focused specifically on his head and neck. The fact that his skull and neck vertebra didn't get obliterated is impressive.

- Was able to survive being dropped from the upper atmosphere and not get splattered upon landing back on earth.

Hey if people are going to state that Showa can only have his feats from ToMG specifically and nothing beforehand, then the same applies to Monsterverse. Cause otherwise, Showa would be allowed to fly, use magnetism, Bite things, and kangaroo kick.

Wait, we can only use TOMG feats? That seems like a bit of a handicap...