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It disheartens me after working on my piece so hard after several months, only to get almost unanimously negative feedback so far. If you please, I will like you to hear my reasoning behind my creative choices. Proportion-wise I made him exceptionally bottom heavy for better weight distribution, since a creature of that size would realistically need to be built like that. To be honest, I kinda half-expected people to be critical over such a aesthetic, especially considering the ever popular anti-Heisei bias. Either that, or biologically accurate fictional monsters may not be a popular preference.
His tail is shaped that way to act as a paddle while swimming. The same goes for his hands and feet. As for him looking ugly and beat down, why can the same logic be used to criticize Shin’s design? That particular design had a butt-ton of detractors when it was first fully revealed, yet look at how that movie turned out for the majority.
His tail is shaped that way to act as a paddle while swimming. The same goes for his hands and feet. As for him looking ugly and beat down, why can the same logic be used to criticize Shin’s design? That particular design had a butt-ton of detractors when it was first fully revealed, yet look at how that movie turned out for the majority.
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What gets me is that you're the number one hardline supporter of the Showa/Heisei standard, and then your own Godzilla has a very extreme design. Take away the spines and skin texture, and I would assume it was one of the Naboo sea monsters from TPM, but with a walrus's face. It's an interesting monster design in its own right, but at present is barely recognizable as Godzilla.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:49 am It disheartens me after working on my piece so hard after several months, only to get almost unanimously negative feedback so far. If you please, I will like you to hear my reasoning behind my creative choices. Proportion-wise I made him exceptionally bottom heavy for better weight distribution, since a creature of that size would realistically need to be built like that. To be honest, I kinda half-expected people to be critical over such a aesthetic, especially considering the ever popular anti-Heisei bias. Either that, or biologically accurate fictional monsters may not be a popular preference.
His tail is shaped that way to act as a paddle while swimming. The same goes for his hands and feet. As for him looking ugly and beat down, why can the same logic be used to criticize Shin’s design? That particular design had a butt-ton of detractors when it was first fully revealed, yet look at how that movie turned out for the majority.
And I don't mean to beat you down, here, I'm sorry you're only getting flak so far. It's just a very out there design. I would not call it one of the worst I've seen, though. No, it's really nowhere near that level.
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gonna be honest here and this may not be a shock to some but I actually like the designLegendZilla wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:12 pm Anyone have something to say about my own version of Godzilla?
it looks like a mutated animal that both the original and heisei godzillas were
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When you come to think of it, if you take away the spines on LegendaryGoji, he won’t be recognizable as Godzilla either. In case you can’t already tell, I am going with the Synapsid route for my design.JAGzilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:24 am What gets me is that you're the number one hardline supporter of the Showa/Heisei standard, and then your own Godzilla has a very extreme design. Take away the spines and skin texture, and I would assume it was one of the Naboo sea monsters from TPM, but with a walrus's face. It's an interesting monster design in its own right, but at present is barely recognizable as Godzilla.
And I don't mean to beat you down, here, I'm sorry you're only getting flak so far. It's just a very out there design. I would not call it one of the worst I've seen, though. No, it's really nowhere near that level.
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Can't say I was here when Shin was first revealed, but I always felt that Shin's highly unique design worked for what he was supposed to be in that movie. He was freakish, mutated, abominable.... he looks cool.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:49 amHis tail is shaped that way to act as a paddle while swimming. The same goes for his hands and feet. As for him looking ugly and beat down, why can the same logic be used to criticize Shin’s design? That particular design had a butt-ton of detractors when it was first fully revealed, yet look at how that movie turned out for the majority.
I'm sorry to say it but this Godzilla just looks goofy IMO.
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Shin Godzilla still looked like and felt like Godzilla. This does not. Design changes made for the sake of "realism" do not work for kaiju. They are giant firebreathing monsters. Nothing is realistic about them in the slightest.
I think Godzilla Ultima proved that you CAN be experimental with the shapes and features of Godzilla, but still have it look like Godzilla and, furthermore, look good. The problem is that this isn't that. Artist to artist here, don't be disheartened. Not everyone is going to like what you make, and thats ok as long as you are proud of it. I respect the effort put into it, and the craftsmenship is pretty good, but when it comes down to it, it just doesn't capture any of what makes Godzilla himself, and some of the design choices don't look natural.
I think Godzilla Ultima proved that you CAN be experimental with the shapes and features of Godzilla, but still have it look like Godzilla and, furthermore, look good. The problem is that this isn't that. Artist to artist here, don't be disheartened. Not everyone is going to like what you make, and thats ok as long as you are proud of it. I respect the effort put into it, and the craftsmenship is pretty good, but when it comes down to it, it just doesn't capture any of what makes Godzilla himself, and some of the design choices don't look natural.
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The drawing itself is good, but the design might be on my list of worst Godzilla redesigns I've seen, being brutally and completely honest. It doesn't feel like Godzilla.
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To be honest, there are some issues I have with the design of both Shin and Ultima. I don’t like Shin’s pointy sternum or ludicrously long tail. Also, I can’t stand the way Ultima’s face looks when viewed from the front. Also, are changes make for “realism” for Kaiju and objectively bad idea or is it just a matter of one’s preference?Executive Hamster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:25 am Shin Godzilla still looked like and felt like Godzilla. This does not. Design changes made for the sake of "realism" do not work for kaiju. They are giant firebreathing monsters. Nothing is realistic about them in the slightest.
I think Godzilla Ultima proved that you CAN be experimental with the shapes and features of Godzilla, but still have it look like Godzilla and, furthermore, look good. The problem is that this isn't that. Artist to artist here, don't be disheartened. Not everyone is going to like what you make, and thats ok as long as you are proud of it. I respect the effort put into it, and the craftsmenship is pretty good, but when it comes down to it, it just doesn't capture any of what makes Godzilla himself, and some of the design choices don't look natural.
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Considering the 2014 feet debacle and the almost unanimous opinion, I’d say that most of the fandom dislike realism, and therefore objectively bad.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:49 pmAlso, are changes make for “realism” for Kaiju and objectively bad idea or is it just a matter of one’s preference?
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I am willing to edit my design if you don't mind. If you can give suggestions as to improve it, I'd appreciate it.Voyager wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:43 pmConsidering the 2014 feet debacle and the almost unanimous opinion, I’d say that most of the fandom dislike realism, and therefore objectively bad.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:49 pmAlso, are changes make for “realism” for Kaiju and objectively bad idea or is it just a matter of one’s preference?
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It’s mostly the proportions that bother me, and maybe the tail. The body (IMO) should be evened out, and the hands should be shrunk. That’s all I got off the top of my head.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:50 pmI am willing to edit my design if you don't mind. If you can give suggestions as to improve it, I'd appreciate it.Voyager wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:43 pmConsidering the 2014 feet debacle and the almost unanimous opinion, I’d say that most of the fandom dislike realism, and therefore objectively bad.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:49 pmAlso, are changes make for “realism” for Kaiju and objectively bad idea or is it just a matter of one’s preference?
The colouration and texture are spot on, though
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Do you object to the semi-aquatic traits? I.e the webbed feet/hands and paddle-tail? Perhaps I should do something about the skull-prongs too.Voyager wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:53 pmIt’s mostly the proportions that bother me, and maybe the tail. The body (IMO) should be evened out, and the hands should be shrunk. That’s all I got off the top of my head.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:50 pmI am willing to edit my design if you don't mind. If you can give suggestions as to improve it, I'd appreciate it.
The colouration and texture are spot on, though
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I’m fine with webbed hands and feet.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:06 pmDo you object to the semi-aquatic traits? I.e the webbed feet/hands and paddle-tail? Perhaps I should do something about the skull-prongs too.Voyager wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:53 pmIt’s mostly the proportions that bother me, and maybe the tail. The body (IMO) should be evened out, and the hands should be shrunk. That’s all I got off the top of my head.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:50 pm
I am willing to edit my design if you don't mind. If you can give suggestions as to improve it, I'd appreciate it.
The colouration and texture are spot on, though
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I'd recommend making the arms and hands smaller, and giving the legs more shape. The tail would look better if you made it more vertical, like a crocodile's paddle, than, say a beavers, but that's just me. The head needs a complete redo since it just doesn't look like Godzilla at all. The dorsal fins should be bigger and have more of them.
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Whether or not you like the design isnt the point. The point is that they are designs that are true to the character and look professionally designed and put together with an understanding of character design and biochemistry, as well as of what Godzilla is and what he represents. Your design, currently, has virtually nothing in common with Godzilla. So much so that if you didn't tell someone it was Godzilla, they probably wouldn't have realized. That's the point Im getting at.LegendZilla wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:49 pm To be honest, there are some issues I have with the design of both Shin and Ultima. I don’t like Shin’s pointy sternum or ludicrously long tail. Also, I can’t stand the way Ultima’s face looks when viewed from the front. Also, are changes make for “realism” for Kaiju and objectively bad idea or is it just a matter of one’s preference?
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I think if the proportions were completely reworked, ie remove the goofy feet, remove the curvy shape of his torso, rework the tail, the arms, and make the head look less like a rabbit, he'd resemble Godzilla.
Currently though he looks like what I picture a lizard would look like through a kaleidoscope.
Currently though he looks like what I picture a lizard would look like through a kaleidoscope.
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Y’know, I actually loved Godzilla 2014’s stumpy feet to be completely honest. They really fit the design, and seeing that titanic foot... shivers.
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I think this basically covers my thoughts on how to improve it.Executive Hamster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:40 pm I'd recommend making the arms and hands smaller, and giving the legs more shape. The tail would look better if you made it more vertical, like a crocodile's paddle, than, say a beavers, but that's just me. The head needs a complete redo since it just doesn't look like Godzilla at all. The dorsal fins should be bigger and have more of them.
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Oh yeah, they looked great. Partially because they were proportionate with the body and not extremely oversized like the drawing here.VOID GHIDORAH wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:09 pm Y’know, I actually loved Godzilla 2014’s stumpy feet to be completely honest. They really fit the design, and seeing that titanic foot... shivers.
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I'd like to announce that a new head is currently underway. I am drawing influence directly from this replica of the original 1954 production maquette :
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Keep in mind am am maintaining (some) elements of the way it was before, since I don't want my ideas to go to waste completely.
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Keep in mind am am maintaining (some) elements of the way it was before, since I don't want my ideas to go to waste completely.
Is it possible to to make similar feet to G14, yet more designed for a semi-aquatic lifestyle?Executive Hamster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:08 pm
Oh yeah, they looked great. Partially because they were proportionate with the body and not extremely oversized like the drawing here.
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Im not sure. Generally aquatic animals have smaller limbs to improve their aerodynamics... I think? Dont quote me on that.
The ideas you had for the feet on yours arent bad, the problem are the leg proportions. They seem too short, overall, especially the lower leg. And they are WAY TOO THICK. 1995 Godzilla is the thickest you should go, and even then 95's legs were proportionated very well. Also, if you are going to have a super thick lower body, you need to beef up the upper body to balance it out.
The ideas you had for the feet on yours arent bad, the problem are the leg proportions. They seem too short, overall, especially the lower leg. And they are WAY TOO THICK. 1995 Godzilla is the thickest you should go, and even then 95's legs were proportionated very well. Also, if you are going to have a super thick lower body, you need to beef up the upper body to balance it out.
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