DC Cinematic Universe

[Chrispy_G]

No Cavill, no Snyder. Without them this franchise will perpetually be stuck in 2nd gear.

I think they are hoping Black Adam and Shazam are massive so they can shift gears and build the series around them more.

But this isn't like Marvel where if you lack Spider-Man then Captain America and Iron Man can pick up the slack.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman. The Trinity. That is the DC bread and butter and Black Adam and Shazam can't be on that level.

Even if both of these films are masterpieces, culturally they can't be on that level.

If both walked away with over $1 Billion, even that is just a start.

[miguelnuva]

Snyder is not the only one eho can make DC films and Cavil as much as I like him is not the only Superman.

[Gigantis]

^ This. Personally I wasn't too big on Snyder's movies, but Cavill was good as Superman. With what he was given, he acted the best that he could, looked the part, made the movies worthwhile to sit through at least. But.... if there's issues that are preventing him to be Superman, (apparently he's asking to get paid the same amount of money A-lister's like Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks, but WB doesn't think he deserves that much money unless the films he acts him make around the same money as a Cruise/Hanks film does. IDK if that's true though) find someone else. I'm sure out there, as big as this world is, there's plenty of built, Caucasian men out there who are really big fans of Superman and would love to play the part. As long as they're young enough to keep going for a full franchise, you can keep them for a while!

I don't think DC films are entirely done for to begin with. Black Adam is probably gonna score tons of cash just for the fact that the title character is being played by The Rock, Shazam 2 will probably do well, Blue Beetle has the power to become an unexpected hit if it's done well enough, Aquaman 2 will most likely do good, same with Batgirl. Only one I can see doing somewhat poorly is Flash, but that's less because of the movie being bad and more of.. err, whose in the movie.

[GodzillaFan1990's]

Yeah no keep Snyder away. Him leaving was the best thing to have happened.

And Cavil didn't sell me as Superman. Yes, THE superhero that's meant to always be smiling and representing all the positives what a superhero is supposed to be turned into this emo dour who apparently ended up getting people killed in his fight with Zod hence should be dubbed Man of Murder. Guarantee Black Adam won't end up killing as many people as Supes did.

When I look at Superman, I think of the boy scout we see in the comics. Christopher Reeves portrayed that perfectly. Or the Superman we see as in Superman & Lois. That's how you do Superman. Even DCAU did that better in terms of a newbie Superman.

Dark and gritty does not fit with Superman. That's Batman's schtick.

[JAGzilla]

I think they are hoping Black Adam and Shazam are massive so they can shift gears and build the series around them more.

But this isn't like Marvel where if you lack Spider-Man then Captain America and Iron Man can pick up the slack.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman. The Trinity. That is the DC bread and butter and Black Adam and Shazam can't be on that level.

Even if both of these films are masterpieces, culturally they can't be on that level.

No one outside of comic book nerds knew who Iron Man or Captain America were in 2006. I literally went my entire childhood never having heard of Iron Man or the Avengers, and Captain America was at best a name to me; I knew nothing about him. I discovered these characters through some random novel I found on a library shelf in ~2005 and I only picked it up because it was a crossover with the X-Men. Make a movie that's good and successful enough, and you can build characters up to that iconic, household name, multi-million dollar franchise status.

Which isn't to say I actually disagree with you, though. Black Adam and Shazam have a damn steep mountain to climb before they can stand alongside the Trinity.

[_JNavs_]

“Yes, THE superhero that's meant to always be smiling and representing all the positives what a superhero is supposed to be turned into this emo dour who apparently ended up getting people killed in his fight with Zod hence should be dubbed Man of Murder. Guarantee Black Adam won't end up killing as many people as Supes did. “

Cavill Superman tries to save everyone, and is such an empathetic person that he develops a depression due to his inability to be everywhere at once. A very real, very human issue, that isn’t solved by kicking away the shiny green rock with a big toothy smile. Imagine stanning a version of Superman who walks around like a psychopath from “We Happy Few” punching criminals before giving a cereal commercial slogan right at the camera.

What I’ve noticed is some people who think they know the Man of Tomorrow, think he should stand atop towers as he explains how good of a person he is. Not through action, no no, through pure exposition. We need him to look at all of us with tears in his eyes as he grins ear to ear and says “I saved 706 cats today, 406 orphans, and defused every nuke on this planet, I am a good person, I am Smallville” while people cheer for him and he kisses a baby. Just an absolutely pure patriotic stereotype.

Clark isn’t allowed to be depressed, he’s not allowed to feel for the people he can’t or hasn’t saved, he’s not allowed to go through philosophical dilemmas of right and wrong. He must be all knowing, he must be everywhere. Clark isn’t allowed to be sad, Clark isn’t allowed to show any weakness except the physical to glowing rocks and bald men. If Clark is in a fight with a Kryptonian Planetary Warlord, he isn't allowed to actually fight back. He has to spend the entire time escorting the entire city, while pushing the Warlord across the planet with one hand.

Oh and, at the same EXACT time, he cannot have any god-like or Jesus imagery associated with him. Or else it’s “clearly” hamfisted and “makes no sense”, because ya’know the whole “Child sent by powerful being to teach humanity a better way of life and is then ridiculed for not helping and being all-knowing” only refers to Clark Kent and absolutely no one else


It’s nauseating checking anything DCEU related due to the amount of toxicity across the board.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

Yeah no keep Snyder away. Him leaving was the best thing to have happened.

And Cavil didn't sell me as Superman. Yes, THE superhero that's meant to always be smiling and representing all the positives what a superhero is supposed to be turned into this emo dour who apparently ended up getting people killed in his fight with Zod hence should be dubbed Man of Murder. Guarantee Black Adam won't end up killing as many people as Supes did.

When I look at Superman, I think of the boy scout we see in the comics. Christopher Reeves portrayed that perfectly. Or the Superman we see as in Superman & Lois. That's how you do Superman. Even DCAU did that better in terms of a newbie Superman.

Dark and gritty does not fit with Superman. That's Batman's schtick.

You mean like the dour emo we got known as Man of Murder?

And instead in 2013 we ended up with Man of Murder. Tfw Superman killed more people then Brandon Breyer did.

Snyder never should have touched DC or superheroes for that matter to begin with. Nothing of value was loss.

Still the problem that occurs is Hack Snyder apparently for some reason thought Superman of all things could be Batman which it couldn't.

Their fault to hire Hack Snyder to begin with who thought emoman was a good idea. How is someone so dour, edgy and emotionless suppose to represent hope and peace?

>BatPunisher vs. Emoman better then 95% of MCU movies.

Lol.

We're talking about the same director who for some reason thought an Superman movie worked as dark and gritty with the Nolan approach.

TALE AS OLD AS TIME

[JAGzilla]

TALE AS OLD AS TIME

How far back did you have to go to find all of those? If they were all from like the last month or something you'd have a point, but if not you're grasping at straws. We all repeat ourselves sometimes.

[_JNavs_]

I take breaks here n there but every time I come back it’s safe to say the same ol “Emo Dour man of murder” is being spoken by the messiah himself. So I’d say monthly is pretty much on the money.

[SteveIrwinFan96]

Apparently, Ben Affleck is back as Batman for Aquaman 2: https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/stat ... Kc7oA&s=19

[Houndoom]

Apparently, Ben Affleck is back as Batman for Aquaman 2

I am beyond happy for! Just need Cavil now as Superman and there will be some bit of hope for a DC movie.

[_JNavs_]

Apparently, Ben Affleck is back as Batman for Aquaman 2: https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/stat ... Kc7oA&s=19

Love to see it, though I’m not a huge fan of their constant desire to have Affleck’s Bruce Wayne have silverish blonde hair to make him appear older and older

[Gigantis]

Apparently, Ben's just doing some cameo work. His role actually featured KEATON's Batman, but test audience got confused, so they reshot with Ben.

As for Cavill... I kind of hate to say it, but I think he might be the problem at this point, just as much as WB themselves are. I don't know what's going on between the two of them but I think both sides are to blame. It sounds to me that WB wants Cavill to make some cameos similar to Ben, but Henry isn't happy with that for some reason while Ben's cool with it. I'm not gonna act like Warner hasn't been super uncompetent with the DCEU, but I'd imagine it be really easy for Henry to come back just for a couple of small roles. Instead..

Spoiler:

• Henry didn't make any cameos for Shazam.
  
  Henry didn't do extra cameo work for ZSJL
  
  Henry didn't make any cameos for Black Adam.
  
  Henry didn't make any cameos for The Flash (which depending on how things go, could've very well be the last time he could've played the role.

Cavill seems to only want to do full on movies, not cameos. There's also rumors he's asking for too much and WB is refusing to give him his full pay for whatever reason. Whatever the case, it's a stalemate that keeps going, but it can't go on forever. I think it's more likely Superman will be recast while Ben either leaves (he keeps saying that he's done as Batman but every time he does, he comes back. ) or he becomes the DCEU version of Nick Fury.

[Jermobooka]

I’ve lightened my stance on Affleck’s Batman in recent times, and I’m kinda-sorta happy to seem ‘em back in the role…but this is definitely confusing.

Is Keaton-Bat gonna be the DCEU Batman? Is It going to be Batfleck? Will there be two Batmen operating at the same time?

…Yeah, I think I’ll be sticking with the standalone stuff like The Batman 2 and Joker 2 lol.

[miguelnuva]

Aquaman 2 is probably set before The Flash and at this rate might be released before The Flash. Plans earlier were rumored that Supergirl, Batgirl and Wonderwoman will be the Trinity with Black Adam, Shazam, Flash, Aquaman and Keaton being the rest of the JL.

[CyberZilla]

To me, it seems that pushing back the Flash just made for all sorts of confusing side-effects (Affleck cameo in Aquaman potentially being one of them). Cool that Ben is getting another shot with Batman, even if it’s brief.

It’s gonna be amazing seeing them try to market that Flash movie.

[_JNavs_]

It’s funny how The Flash was supposed to be WB’s big middle finger to the previous production crews, who we’ve come to learn were some of the sweetest people, outside of WB produced hitpieces.

But due to hubris and an admittedly miscast Barry Allen, it’s turning out to be the biggest controversy in CBM history (to my knowledge).

There isn’t a single possibility that The Flash can have good press, even after release. It’s a bomb on arrival, if this were a sport or something, I could see the player playing through the controversy till people forget. But this is a production where people have to pay to see his face for 2 hours and 30 minutes.

So I wonder if they’ll have to stay in-universe (insert Palpatine ironic meme) until they can get a proper Flash in the future?

Added in 5 minutes 53 seconds:

Aquaman 2 is probably set before The Flash and at this rate might be released before The Flash. Plans earlier were rumored that Supergirl, Batgirl and Wonderwoman will be the Trinity with Black Adam, Shazam, Flash, Aquaman and Keaton being the rest of the JL.

That JL/Trinity sounds like what throwing random objects around your house at a wall would be like. So I hope not

[miguelnuva]

It’s funny how The Flash was supposed to be WB’s big middle finger to the previous production crews, who we’ve come to learn were some of the sweetest people, outside of WB produced hitpieces.

But due to hubris and an admittedly miscast Barry Allen, it’s turning out to be the biggest controversy in CBM history (to my knowledge).

There isn’t a single possibility that The Flash can have good press, even after release. It’s a bomb on arrival, if this were a sport or something, I could see the player playing through the controversy till people forget. But this is a production where people have to pay to see his face for 2 hours and 30 minutes.

So I wonder if they’ll have to stay in-universe (insert Palpatine ironic meme) until they can get a proper Flash in the future?

Added in 5 minutes 53 seconds:

Aquaman 2 is probably set before The Flash and at this rate might be released before The Flash. Plans earlier were rumored that Supergirl, Batgirl and Wonderwoman will be the Trinity with Black Adam, Shazam, Flash, Aquaman and Keaton being the rest of the JL.

That JL/Trinity sounds like what throwing random objects around your house at a wall would be like. So I hope not

It makes the new rumored Avengers line up look like the orginal Avenger line up. I usually don't let what people call woke bother me as yes we need more color and female lead characters but even I have to question why we would need Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Supergirl as a Trinity.

[_JNavs_]

It makes the new rumored Avengers line up look like the orginal Avenger line up. I usually don't let what people call woke bother me as yes we need more color and female lead characters but even I have to question why we would need Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Supergirl as a Trinity.

100%, I still think we need a Zatanna film asap. But that trinity just doesn’t work for me at all. The Nu-JL sounds like they took every non League member and said “This is it, we as a business have peaked with this idea”

[miguelnuva]

It makes the new rumored Avengers line up look like the orginal Avenger line up. I usually don't let what people call woke bother me as yes we need more color and female lead characters but even I have to question why we would need Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Supergirl as a Trinity.

100%, I still think we need a Zatanna film asap. But that trinity just doesn’t work for me at all. The Nu-JL sounds like they took every non League member and said “This is it, we as a business have peaked with this idea”

Zatanna would be great, love her I'm Young Justice and her episode in Smallville.

Batgirl kinda makes sense but if they're going with her because Keaton is old I would have combined her with Terry and done Batgirl beyond or maybe still call her Batman Beyond as a way to further protect the identity.

Supergirl though I don't see why she had to replace Superman at all. If Cavil is gone recast Superman or have Supergirl alongside Val Zod.