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Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:31 am
by Dinoskell
Spuro wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:56 pm That is way too grimdark for ebirah, lol.
In his first scene he impaled two people.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:17 pm
by ShinGojira14
It’s okay to love the weirdness and character development of Reiwa Era Godzilla media, but also wish they also had more Godzilla action scenes at the same time should they not 100% deliver.

For example, I absolutely adore Godzilla: Singular Point, even with the tiny handful of concepts that I’m not a fan of. I love the story and human characters—especially Goro and Mei. But I felt like there wasn’t enough scenes of Godzilla himself kicking ass and taking names; there was that amazing atomic breath scene, but most other scenes with him composed of quick glimpses of him doing something and then cutting away.

I don’t know, it just felt a little too teasing in a manner not different from Godzilla 2014 for my preference.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:42 pm
by Rando Yaguchi
goji89 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:59 pm
Voyager wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:19 pm More Godzilla vs Military films please.
You have over 3 and you want more?
Yes.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:59 pm
by Cryptid_Liker
Monsterverse Mothra is my second-least-favorite Mothra design now. I like how they did her head with mandibles closed and the wings are nice but that's really it. The bee body doesn't work at all, her mouth was replaced with Nosferatu's for some reason, her middle pair of legs are way too short, she has freaking eyelids , and they discared actual insect anatomy for the sake of making Mothra feminine in the most obvious manner possible. And don't even get me started about the larva.

If you're wondering what my least favorite is, it's Heisei Mothra.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:55 pm
by Spuro
Monsterverse Mothra is my least favorite version of Mothra, period.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:28 am
by Voyager
Dinoskell wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:37 pm I don't like monsters being portrayed as "intelligent" by somehow just knowing things as if omniscient. Say what you will about Marc Cerasini children's novels: they at least did a good job at avoiding that. Godzilla goes whole books without realizing jet planes and humanity are connected: he mistakes machines as living things. It also takes him a whole book to realize that the psychic voice in his head is one of the tiny insects/ humans below him.
Animalistic Kaiju? Yes! But kaiju like Mothra and Gigan would know this sort of thing, either because they’re just very smart and have godly minds like the former, or they have been indoctrinated, so to speak, like the latter. By aliens, of course.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:14 pm
by Dinoskell
I'd like this "alpha" the Monsterverse introduced to die , as its based on terrible science myth. "Alpha wolves" only happen in captivity conditions and its more like humans in prison hierarchy than anything else. And we are constantly finding in other species where we assumed "alphas" that they often aren't the leaders but more jerks grudgingly put up with due to maybe just too much trouble to get rid of or allow. Many "dominant" males often spend so much time fighting and being assholes that their mates are able to constantly have strings of affairs. Or in other cases, like horses, we find there seems to be more of an interesting democratic method of decision making.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:46 pm
by Leviarex
Dinoskell wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:14 pm I'd like this "alpha" the Monsterverse introduced to die , as its based on terrible science myth. "Alpha wolves" only happen in captivity conditions and its more like humans in prison hierarchy than anything else. And we are constantly finding in other species where we assumed "alphas" that they often aren't the leaders but more jerks grudgingly put up with due to maybe just too much trouble to get rid of or allow. Many "dominant" males often spend so much time fighting and being assholes that their mates are able to constantly have strings of affairs. Or in other cases, like horses, we find there seems to be more of an interesting democratic method of decision making.
I say keep it. It gives The Monsterverse an interesting aspect in my book, and really, pseudoscience has always been a major part of the kaiju sub genre of fiction.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:45 pm
by Dinoskell
Except its a type of pseudoscience that makes ***holes feel justified in their actions, and leads to a lot of poor animal training practices, it causes actual harm in the world. But my main issue isn't its existence but framing. If they played up it being a sign of social disorder and these kaiju, all different species and last of their kind, trying to coexist with a makeshift framework it would be much better.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:07 pm
by edgaguirus
I really like MV Scylla. Scylla has a good entrance, and the insect like design is interesting. I'd like to see more of Scylla, but I doubt we will.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:48 am
by Major sssspielberg!
edgaguirus wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:07 pm I really like MV Scylla. Scylla has a good entrance, and the insect like design is interesting. I'd like to see more of Scylla, but I doubt we will.
Scylla was awesome indeed. I was disappointed GvK handwaved all those new monsters away.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:25 pm
by GodzillavsRayquaza
I don’t actually mind Destoroyah’s death that much. It still kinda rubs me the wrong way, but I used to hate it and view it as a huge black spot on the movie, while nowadays I think it’s actually mostly fine. The military got the killing blow but Godzilla did most of the work, Destoroyah is humanity’s fault so for them to aid so much to defeat it is fitting, and it clears the way for Godzilla’s death to take center stage.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:34 am
by Dracosaurian
I like the show and I find the characters decent, but I do think people need to slow down a bit when saying that Singular Point's cast of characters are the best since the Showa era films.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:16 am
by JAGzilla
Dracosaurian wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:34 am I like the show and I find the characters decent, but I do think people need to slow down a bit when saying that Singular Point's cast of characters are the best since the Showa era films.
Yeah, maybe slow down just a little. There were some good, likeable characters in SP, but the fact that most of them spent the whole show rapid-firing dialogue I could barely follow made them tough to connect with.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:52 am
by ROMG4
I watched Singular point around a week ago and since than I've had a lot of time to think about and the directions it took, while I may not like some of the designs or particular depictions I've found that I don't mind them. I used to be an extreme stickler for Kaiju designs and stories not straying too far from what has been tried in the past, but ever since a few years ago around Shin Godzilla and Kong skull island I realized something. While staying true to the spirit of the franchise and its DNA is very important what can I say really represents the DNA of the series and genre? I used to get caught up in the minute of what is Godzilla, what themes and narratives represent the series, what is the series at its best? But the more I've thought about it the more I've come to realize and understand that there isn't much of a set DNA per say, Vs. Megalon, Sea Monster, Hedorah, Spacegodzilla, 2000, GMK, are as much Godzilla as the original is despite the fact they are so different from each other in both story, design, and focus. The key to the series's success is that Godzilla is so adaptable he can fulfill so many roles, the series can become so many stories

And just like those entries SP is but a new step in the series's history and it will one day will be as old as those entries. Singular point brings many monsters that have been off the screen for decades and gives them a different look to draw attention and it doesn't overwrite the original designs infact by existing it draws newfound attention to them

TLDR: I may not like some of the choices in SP I see where they are coming from and if it helps keep the series healthy, brings in new fans and attention, and keeps the future of the series open, than I think its pretty cool and I am very happy it exists. Each entry in the series is a necessary step to its growth, future stories and directions

This is my new outlook on the series, I could bellyache about any number of things from any source (insert here) and wallow in misery about it "not going as I wanted", or I can take the concepts I enjoy and hope future stories take em and recombine to be even better and cooler. Being miserable about Godzilla is not an option for me

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:32 pm
by Dinoskell
Each new Information Book adding stuff to the Kiryu saga timeline is just making it bloated now and implausible
Seriously, Showa Ghidorah and Gigan attacked earth in this timeline? Mothra had been in Japan only a few years earlier and the city wasn’t plastered with merch?
The Godzilla X Mechagodzilla Completion (ISBN: 9784798613536) lists a history of the self defense force as it relates to monsters for Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002) and Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. (2003). This includes citing the battle against Kumonga and Gigan by the Type 66 Maser Beam Tanks, while also noting the SDF’s confrontation with King Ghidorah in 1999 with the following passage:
“1999: Together with Mothra, with whom the SDF had once fought against, King Ghidorah was annihilated.”
Godzilla X Mothra X Mechagodzilla: Tokyo SOS Fantastic Collection, I think did give an incomplete picture stopping before the 90s . But while some more recent attacks on the history would help justify Kiryu’s construction, adding explicitly Alien kaiju seems…not fitting for the established tone. The Space Amoeba works well because there’s only some witness testimony, and probably goes down as hard to prove.

[The Tokyo SOS Fantastic collection timeline:
1954 – Godzilla appears
1956 – Rodan and the Meganulon appear
1958 – Varan appears
1961 – Mothra appears
1962 – Maguma appears
1963 – Manda appears
1964 – The Dogora appear
1965 – Baragon, Frankenstein and the Giant Octopus appear
1966 – Sanda and Gaira appear
1967 – King Kong, Gorosaurus and the Giant Sea Snake appear
1970 – Gezora, Ganimes and Kamoebas appear
1987 – Kamoebas appears
1999 - Godzilla Appears
Followed by the movies taking place in 2003 and 2004.

And Ghidorah having a showdown in 1999, the same year the second version of Godzilla shows up? Feels crunched.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:06 am
by MaxRebo320
I think the concept of Godzilla gradually changing forms as seen in Shin and
Spoiler:
Singular Point
was interesting, but I don't want to see it again.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:07 am
by JAGzilla
MaxRebo320 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:06 am I think the concept of Godzilla gradually changing forms as seen in Shin and
Spoiler:
Singular Point
was interesting, but I don't want to see it again.
I'm sure seeing this concept used again is a given, and most likely it will be common or even the norm in Japan for the foreseeable future. I'm willing to embrace it, but Godzilla is going to need to evolve a personality, too. This 'Mindless engine of destruction' phase is already starting to wear out its welcome, for me.

Hey, here's a thought: what if the 'multiple forms' concept was combined with '70s-style heroism? Hedorah, Destoroyah, or some other menace capable of evolving into different forms rears its ugly head, and our good guy Godzilla needs to evolve himself in order to keep up. Ideally, they'd go full '70s and abuse the evolution mechanic, both monsters busting out random, off-the-wall superpowers and skills to outdo one another.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:35 pm
by Gigantis
Yeaaah i have to be honest, Godzilla being literally personality-less is getting pretty stale. It works for the incarnations it's been given to thus far, but part of why so many people love Godzilla is because he's NOT just a mindless monster who breaks stuff.

Toho's experimented with his powers and origins, surely his persona can't be that hard.

Re: Kaiju Fan Confessions

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:36 am
by goji89
MaxRebo320 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:06 am I think the concept of Godzilla gradually changing forms as seen in Shin and
Spoiler:
Singular Point
was interesting, but I don't want to see it again.
Hell yeah. I think it's done and over with. I wouldn't want to see him changing forms either.