Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

[goji89]

I don't mind the phrase "Beam wars" it sounds cool as fuck. But again, the sparks can be explained when monsters scratch at each other their skin is like steel you'll get sparks. There were plenty of robots in the Heisei era so yeah..... sparkle, sparkle.

[shadowgigan]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

[godjacob]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

I mean, classic Mothra was able to avoid it. We even got bits like this.

[shadowgigan]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

I mean, classic Mothra was able to avoid it. We even got bits like this.

I think while appropriate and amazing for a showa film, Kawakita couldn't resort to the "cheesiness" of that scene in the 1992 film. He had to up the ante a bit. I don't think audiences were entirely convinced Mothra was actually capable of beating Godzilla in the 64 film and I think Kawakita tried to reconicle that in this film.

Edit: Don't mean that really as a criticism of Mothra vs. Godzilla, its a great film.

[Spuro]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

I liked Showa's way of handling it: Make Mothra fucking enormous.

Toho need to bring back Big!Rodan and Big!Mothra.

[shadowgigan]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

I liked Showa's way of handling it: Make Mothra skreeonking enormous.

Toho need to bring back Big!Rodan and Big!Mothra.

I kind of agree with you. I don't think GvM is his best work, so I'll admit it wasn't the best. Overall my point is I think he tends to be over scrutinized and underpraised in comparison to other SPFX directors. Hell, you could make the same argument about Nakano.

[godjacob]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

I mean, classic Mothra was able to avoid it. We even got bits like this.

I think while appropriate and amazing for a showa film, Kawakita couldn't resort to the "cheesiness" of that scene in the 1992 film. He had to up the ante a bit. I don't think audiences were entirely convinced Mothra was actually capable of beating Godzilla in the 64 film and I think Kawakita tried to reconicle that in this film.

Edit: Don't mean that really as a criticism of Mothra vs. Godzilla, its a great film.

I mean, I think making the "cheesiness" argument is a pandora's box one should be careful to avoid with Godzilla in ANY era TBH. Outside of Goji 54 and Shin Goji all the Godzilla films have a degree of cheese to them by the nature of the genre. Even Shin has had moments where people pulled that attitude from it.

I just think looking at the Heisei films Super Sentai spark films as being "less" cheesy is asking for some disgruntled reactions from Mothra vs. Godzilla. Point is there are ways to not rely only on beam spams to convey an action scene. It is a style choice as much as a budget one, and while I can respect them doing their own thing it just is far from my personal cup of tea.

[shadowgigan]

I mean, classic Mothra was able to avoid it. We even got bits like this.

I think while appropriate and amazing for a showa film, Kawakita couldn't resort to the "cheesiness" of that scene in the 1992 film. He had to up the ante a bit. I don't think audiences were entirely convinced Mothra was actually capable of beating Godzilla in the 64 film and I think Kawakita tried to reconicle that in this film.

Edit: Don't mean that really as a criticism of Mothra vs. Godzilla, its a great film.

I mean, I think making the "cheesiness" argument is a pandora's box one should be careful to avoid with Godzilla in ANY era TBH. Outside of Goji 54 and Shin Goji all the Godzilla films have a degree of cheese to them by the nature of the genre. Even Shin has had moments where people pulled that attitude from it.

I just think looking at the Heisei films Super Sentai spark films as being "less" cheesy is asking for some disgruntled reactions from Mothra vs. Godzilla. Point is there are ways to not rely only on beam spams to convey an action scene. It is a style choice as much as a budget one, and while I can respect them doing their own thing it just is far from my personal cup of tea.

Yeah, no, I get that sounded harsher than I mean. I'm a big fan and I think it looks great, especially given the time it was produced. I mean its just incredible. Hahahaha I'll give you MvG is better than GvM. I'm not about to make that argument. There are, however, some good SPFX scense there, parsed through a largely mediocre film. Baby/Little Godzilla...I don't really want to talk to much about that lol. I mean there's a lot of cheese there. Still I feel like Kawakita overall somehow enhanced both the elements of realism and fantasy in his SPFX work. I LOVE the random lights behind MKG lmao.

[godjacob]

I think while appropriate and amazing for a showa film, Kawakita couldn't resort to the "cheesiness" of that scene in the 1992 film. He had to up the ante a bit. I don't think audiences were entirely convinced Mothra was actually capable of beating Godzilla in the 64 film and I think Kawakita tried to reconicle that in this film.

Edit: Don't mean that really as a criticism of Mothra vs. Godzilla, its a great film.

I mean, I think making the "cheesiness" argument is a pandora's box one should be careful to avoid with Godzilla in ANY era TBH. Outside of Goji 54 and Shin Goji all the Godzilla films have a degree of cheese to them by the nature of the genre. Even Shin has had moments where people pulled that attitude from it.

I just think looking at the Heisei films Super Sentai spark films as being "less" cheesy is asking for some disgruntled reactions from Mothra vs. Godzilla. Point is there are ways to not rely only on beam spams to convey an action scene. It is a style choice as much as a budget one, and while I can respect them doing their own thing it just is far from my personal cup of tea.

Yeah, no, I get that sounded harsher than I mean. I'm a big fan and I think it looks great, especially given the time it was produced. I mean its just incredible. Hahahaha I'll give you MvG is better than GvM. I'm not about to make that argument. There are, however, some good SPFX scense there, parsed through a largely mediocre film. Baby/Little Godzilla...I don't really want to talk to much about that lol. I mean there's a lot of cheese there. Still I feel like Kawakita overall somehow enhanced both the elements of realism and fantasy in his SPFX work. I LOVE the random lights behind MKG lmao.

And you are free to enjoy those effects, I enjoy the spectacle of the lights to a degree to even if the sparks don't do anything for me. And I respect that view, I just think the Heisei films went too far too often in that side of the Kaiju battles which prevented them from being for me all they could be. But I do like the distinct style in the grander Godzilla multiverse to add variety to things.

[Jermobooka]

This definitely isn’t a popular opinion with the larger, majority of the G-Fandom, but on TK it is for whatever reason

I like the Heisei series as a whole a lot more than the Showa series

Dunno why, maybe it’s because i grew up on a mix of Heisei, Millenium, and a tiny bit of Showa?

Also Heisei Goji is the definitive Godzilla in every way, bar none

[Voyager]

I want huge Rodan to come back. Same height as Godzilla.

[goji89]

I want huge Rodan to come back. Same height as Godzilla.

Same. I'm tired of small Rodan.

[Spuro]

I want huge Rodan to come back. Same height as Godzilla.

Same. I'm tired of small Rodan.

I’m sorry, newer Rodans, but you’re just not big enough to satisfy me...

I need a Rodan that’s bigger... thicker...

[Smuggers]

Very based opinions. Bring back Bro-dan.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

SP is the only small Rodan that's worked for me and that's only because I'm a filthy slut for monster swarms.

We need tall Rodan again. The world needs him.

[Voyager]

SP is the only small Rodan that's worked for me and that's only because I'm a filthy slut for monster swarms.

We need tall Rodan again. The world needs him.

Bravo good sir! Bravo!

[Spuro]

SP is the only small Rodan that's worked for me and that's only because I'm a filthy slut for monster swarms.

We need tall Rodan again. The world needs him.

Rodan bows to no one!

-casts shifty side-eyes towards the MV version- >_>

[JAGzilla]

Nature has an order. A power to restore balance. We call him... Tall Rodan.

[ROMG4]

#Tall Rodan Confirmed!

[Tyrant_Lizard_King]

I'm not sure how you're supposed to make Mothra a threat without modern CGI without resorting almost exclusively to beam effects, et cetera. Especially if you're not looking to go ROM with it.

I liked Showa's way of handling it: Make Mothra skreeonking enormous.

Toho need to bring back Big!Rodan and Big!Mothra.

I kind of agree with you. I don't think GvM is his best work, so I'll admit it wasn't the best. Overall my point is I think he tends to be over scrutinized and underpraised in comparison to other SPFX directors. Hell, you could make the same argument about Nakano.

True enough. Return of Godzilla and Biollante are great examples of what Nakano and Kawakita can do given enough time and money. Unfortunately after Ghidorah Kawakita really wasn't given much of either.