The Godzilla Cringe Thread

[Mechabrozilla]

You'd be surprised at how many people care more about the lore of the movies than the movies themselves. Most arguments I see tend to fall under one of these two categories:

1. Toys
2. "Power Levels" (or whatever dumb thing you want to call it)

I think setting consistency and lore is important, but only to a certain point. When you let it absolutely destroy your enjoyment of an otherwise solid movie then you've taken it too far imo.

[eabaker]

I believe that stories live through re-telling and transformation. Too much concern with lore and canon limits their room for growth.

[Mechabrozilla]

I believe that stories live through re-telling and transformation. Too much concern with lore and canon limits their room for growth.

So long as it doesn't break the consistency the series has established I fully agree.

Like making Shin be hurt by very powerful modern military weapons like bunker busters feels entirely fitting in the context of that version of setting but would probably raise a few eyebrows if you had that happen to any other Godzilla (not counting specific anti-Kaiju weapons making them go 'ow' like Maser tanks and such, or GvK's weaponry).

[eabaker]

I believe that stories live through re-telling and transformation. Too much concern with lore and canon limits their room for growth.

So long as it doesn't break the consistency the series has established I fully agree.

Like making Shin be hurt by very powerful modern military weapons like bunker busters feels entirely fitting in the context of that version of setting but would probably raise a few eyebrows if you had that happen to any other Godzilla (not counting specific anti-Kaiju weapons making them go 'ow' like Maser tanks and such, or GvK's weaponry).

And I feel like, if the consistency the series has established gets in the way of telling the most meaningful and impactful story possible for a contemporary audience, then the consistency the series has established should be set aside.

[Major sssspielberg!]

I believe that stories live through re-telling and transformation. Too much concern with lore and canon limits their room for growth.

So long as it doesn't break the consistency the series has established I fully agree.

Like making Shin be hurt by very powerful modern military weapons like bunker busters feels entirely fitting in the context of that version of setting but would probably raise a few eyebrows if you had that happen to any other Godzilla (not counting specific anti-Kaiju weapons making them go 'ow' like Maser tanks and such, or GvK's weaponry).

And I feel like, if the consistency the series has established gets in the way of telling the most meaningful and impactful story possible for a contemporary audience, then the consistency the series has established should be set aside.

Somebody put this on a plaque

[Creature22]

And I feel like, if the consistency the series has established gets in the way of telling the most meaningful and impactful story possible for a contemporary audience, then the consistency the series has established should be set aside.

I agree to this.

I think that's why I generally find a lot of the arguments over this stuff to be dumb; there's so much variety now and differing opinions/preferences are going to be a given. You don't have to enjoy the content that comes out, but don't ruin it or bully the people that do.

I don't expect all people to agree on things, but the level of pettiness expressed from some fans (especially the older ones who should know better) is kind of sad.

[eabaker]

And I feel like, if the consistency the series has established gets in the way of telling the most meaningful and impactful story possible for a contemporary audience, then the consistency the series has established should be set aside.

I agree to this.

I think that's why I generally find a lot of the arguments over this stuff to be dumb; there's so much variety now and differing opinions/preferences are going to be a given. You don't have to enjoy the content that comes out, but don't ruin it or bully the people that do.

I don't expect all people to agree on things, but the level of pettiness expressed from some fans (especially the older ones who should know better) is kind of sad.

Sorry, man, but Godzilla was just exactly perfect in the mid-80s, when I became a fan. Everything that has happened since has ruined the character.

[Mechabrozilla]

Sorry, man, but Godzilla was just exactly perfect in the mid-80s, when I became a fan. Everything that has happened since has ruined the character.

Okay yeah I really dislike this style of gatekeeping.

Godzilla changes as much as Toho and the writers want him to. He's been everything from a superhero to a cosmic horror to a mutating deep sea creature to a literal possessed zombie.

[Voyager]

Sorry, man, but Godzilla was just exactly perfect in the mid-80s, when I became a fan. Everything that has happened since has ruined the character.

Okay yeah I really dislike this style of gatekeeping.

Godzilla changes as much as Toho and the writers want him to. He's been everything from a superhero to a cosmic horror to a mutating deep sea creature to a literal possessed zombie.

Forgive me, but when has he been a cosmic horror?

[Thatguy4683]

Sorry, man, but Godzilla was just exactly perfect in the mid-80s, when I became a fan. Everything that has happened since has ruined the character.

Okay yeah I really dislike this style of gatekeeping.

Godzilla changes as much as Toho and the writers want him to. He's been everything from a superhero to a cosmic horror to a mutating deep sea creature to a literal possessed zombie.

Forgive me, but when has he been a cosmic horror?

I think he’s talking about the original script for Shin Godzilla where Godzilla himself became an actual Cosmic God

[Mechabrozilla]

Forgive me, but when has he been a cosmic horror?

I think he’s talking about the original script for Shin Godzilla where Godzilla himself became an actual Cosmic God

Yep! That and its heavily implied in

Spoiler:

Singular Point

at least to a degree.

Oh, and he's been a giant murderous hyperevolved plant too.

[ShinGojira14]

Okay yeah I really dislike this style of gatekeeping.

Godzilla changes as much as Toho and the writers want him to. He's been everything from a superhero to a cosmic horror to a mutating deep sea creature to a literal possessed zombie.

Forgive me, but when has he been a cosmic horror?

I think he’s talking about the original script for Shin Godzilla where Godzilla himself became an actual Cosmic God

I've been told that was fake. It was added to Gojipedia as fabricated information that was later disproven.

[edgaguirus]

Godzilla has become like Frankenstein or Dracula in that the character is pliable. Sure, there are some qualities that are to be expected, but otherwise, Godzilla can be used to tell multiple stories or bring attention to any issue.

[AllosaurHell]

You'd be surprised at how many people care more about the lore of the movies than the movies themselves. Most arguments I see tend to fall under one of these two categories:

1. Toys
2. "Power Levels" (or whatever dumb thing you want to call it)

Am I the only one who just doesn't care about "power levels" or whatever these people keep analyzing? I know it sounds hypocritical coming from me but it's just too nerdy for me, and I prefer to watch the characters abilities than to read them for some pointless thesis.

[_JNavs_]

Meh, saying one guy can beat up another guy and then giving facts to back it up, isn't nerdy.

No different than guesstimates on UFC and Boxing fights.

[Terasawa]

Meh, saying one guy can beat up another guy and then giving facts to back it up, isn't nerdy.

No different than guesstimates on UFC and Boxing fights.

Well, the difference is that Godzilla and friends are fictional characters whose strengths and weaknesses are wholly dependent on screenwriting. That's entirely different than analyzing and comparing two real-world human fighters.

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And I'd also say that it's nerdy because of the subject matter, although "nerdy" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[_JNavs_]

Meh, saying one guy can beat up another guy and then giving facts to back it up, isn't nerdy.

No different than guesstimates on UFC and Boxing fights.

Well, the difference is that Godzilla and friends are fictional characters whose strengths and weaknesses are wholly dependent on screenwriting. That's entirely different than analyzing and comparing two real-world human fighters.

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And I'd also say that it's nerdy because of the subject matter, although "nerdy" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

True on both accounts, I also don't think nerdy (or geeky) should be looked at as a negative terminology either.

[Bob Sherlock]

The tide pods reference was cringy from GvK, I guess

[Voyager]

Meh, saying one guy can beat up another guy and then giving facts to back it up, isn't nerdy.

No different than guesstimates on UFC and Boxing fights.

Well, the difference is that Godzilla and friends are fictional characters whose strengths and weaknesses are wholly dependent on screenwriting. That's entirely different than analyzing and comparing two real-world human fighters.

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And I'd also say that it's nerdy because of the subject matter, although "nerdy" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

True on both accounts, I also don't think nerdy (or geeky) should be looked at as a negative terminology either.

Too bad it has such a negative stigma.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Forgive me, but when has he been a cosmic horror?

I think he’s talking about the original script for Shin Godzilla where Godzilla himself became an actual Cosmic God

Yep! That and its heavily implied in

Spoiler:

Singular Point

at least to a degree.

Oh, and he's been a giant murderous hyperevolved plant too.

Cosmic horrors/eldritch abominations are unknowable monsters. The whole reasoning behind them is they are impossible to understand. We never really know what they are, we never really know what they want, and we never really have a way to deal with them. Think about how an ant would feel if one day, it suddenly was able to understand the entire universe as we do and then suddenly went back to a amoeba sized brain and sensing everything though smells. That's what seeing a Cthullu or Nyartheloep is like. Similarly, modern cosmic horrors apply the same logic to things that just don't make sense: Slenderman is a tall monster that vaugely looks like a man that kidnaps kids and drives people into mad cultists of his. Why does he do this? How does it work? Why us? We never know the basics, just the surreal and nightmareish because that's how cosmic horror works.

NONE of the Reiwa Godzillas are cosmic horror.

Shin Godzilla is odd and his motives aren't exactly clear but what he is is very clear. He's a giant mutant animal, mindlessly walking around and then defending himself, as he searches for radiation/home (See: Who Will Know), and as has been said, the cosmic god rumor is that. A rumor. (Gojipedia sucks, never trust anything it says)

Earth is the least eldritchy: clear idea of what he is, clear agenda in defending the Earth against humanity and everything else, and his origins are the same as every other Godzilla.

Ultima gets close with the reality warping but really, I think he comes close but doesn't fully, given he's clearly some kind of dinosaur in our reality, PP/JJ at some point understand Archetype enough to repel him, and he gives off more "vengeful deity" then "eldritch" vibes.

Sorry, I just...really dislike that a whole genre has just been typecasted as "weird monsters". This argument to me is like claiming Jason Voorhees is a kaiju because he's been exposed to radiation, isn't an ordinary human, immune to most weapons, and is tall.

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Meh, saying one guy can beat up another guy and then giving facts to back it up, isn't nerdy.

No different than guesstimates on UFC and Boxing fights.

Well, the difference is that Godzilla and friends are fictional characters whose strengths and weaknesses are wholly dependent on screenwriting. That's entirely different than analyzing and comparing two real-world human fighters.

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And I'd also say that it's nerdy because of the subject matter, although "nerdy" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, there's times where I feel people stretch on how strong/weak a kaiju is based on plot necessity/media restraints as being "Failures of potential"

Also, agree on the stigma around nerdy.