1. Appearance and sound-wise, true.
2. Facts.
3. I personally wouldn't put it so low, but I can't really blame you.
4. When the Great Journey begins, the weight of your heresy shall stay your feet, and you will be left behind.
5. Fair enough.
1. Appearance and sound-wise, true.
"Horror" isn't defined by being "scary" (that word is more appropriately applied to certain forms of thriller, a genre with which horror frequently crosses over), but by addressing the abject and the uncanny, both of which requirements Gojira fulfills. Whether horror is its dominant aspect is another question, of course.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:00 pm Gojira isn't horror. It has sad scenes and there were many people in the film afraid but the film is not trying to scare you its trying to educate and warn.
Speaking as a "horror buff," I can tell you that your statement may be true of some people, but it's hardly a universal absolute.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:46 pm I'd you told horror buffs you were going to put in a horror film and then out in Gojira your going to piss them off.
I have never seen a wronger list of takes.
It would be ignorant of me to say Horror buffs in a universal statement as it is impossible for everyone's tastes in a group to like the same thing.eabaker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:06 am"Horror" isn't defined by being "scary" (that word is more appropriately applied to certain forms of thriller, a genre with which horror frequently crosses over), but by addressing the abject and the uncanny, both of which requirements Gojira fulfills. Whether horror is its dominant aspect is another question, of course.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:00 pm Gojira isn't horror. It has sad scenes and there were many people in the film afraid but the film is not trying to scare you its trying to educate and warn.
Added in 3 minutes 59 seconds:Speaking as a "horror buff," I can tell you that your statement may be true of some people, but it's hardly a universal absolute.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:46 pm I'd you told horror buffs you were going to put in a horror film and then out in Gojira your going to piss them off.
Educated horror fans, in fact, often delight in identifying the elements of horror in films that are often classified outside the genre by critics and mainstream audiences. And Gojira isn't even really in that camp - look at the original US advertising for Godzilla - King of the Monsters! and you'll see that it was sold to audiences very much as a horror movie in 1956.
What do old Black and White films like that have to do with Gojira having a larger Sci Fi feel to it. Godzilla doesn't go around hunting and killing on purpose. He is a victim that is treated as a natural diasater with us humans being just as responsible for.Spuro wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:22 pmWould those same horror buffs be pissed off if you showed them The Invisible Man (1933)? What about The Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954), or The Fly (1958), or Freaks (1932)?miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:46 pm I'd you told horror buffs you were going to put in a horror film and then out in Gojira your going to piss them off.
All of them old, black and white movies largely considered to be horror that nonetheless merge with other genres and/or seek to inform their audience. If any of these count as horror, then why in the world wouldn't Gojira?
What do old Black and White films like that have to do with Gojira having a larger Sci Fi feel to it. Godzilla doesn't go around hunting and killing on purpose. He is a victim that is treated as a natural diasater with us humans being just as responsible for.Spuro wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:22 pmWould those same horror buffs be pissed off if you showed them The Invisible Man (1933)? What about The Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954), or The Fly (1958), or Freaks (1932)?miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:46 pm I'd you told horror buffs you were going to put in a horror film and then out in Gojira your going to piss them off.
All of them old, black and white movies largely considered to be horror that nonetheless merge with other genres and/or seek to inform their audience. If any of these count as horror, then why in the world wouldn't Gojira?
I used those movies as examples because they're more contemporary to the time Gojira was produced, as opposed to the 70s/80s/90s horror, which has largely a different feel compared to classic horror.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:43 pm Added in 2 minutes 5 seconds:What do old Black and White films like that have to do with Gojira having a larger Sci Fi feel to it. Godzilla doesn't go around hunting and killing on purpose. He is a victim that is treated as a natural diasater with us humans being just as responsible for.Spuro wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:22 pmWould those same horror buffs be pissed off if you showed them The Invisible Man (1933)? What about The Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954), or The Fly (1958) (Not a black and white movie I was wrong), or Freaks (1932)?miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:46 pm I'd you told horror buffs you were going to put in a horror film and then out in Gojira your going to piss them off.
All of them old, black and white movies largely considered to be horror that nonetheless merge with other genres and/or seek to inform their audience. If any of these count as horror, then why in the world wouldn't Gojira?
Gojira I would say is Sci Fi Horror.
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My point is just that I wouldn't call Gojira a horror movie. I would call it a Sci Fi Horror.Spuro wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:46 pmI used those movies as examples because they're more contemporary to the time Gojira was produced, as opposed to the 70s/80s/90s horror, which has largely a different feel compared to classic horror.miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:43 pm Added in 2 minutes 5 seconds:What do old Black and White films like that have to do with Gojira having a larger Sci Fi feel to it. Godzilla doesn't go around hunting and killing on purpose. He is a victim that is treated as a natural diasater with us humans being just as responsible for.Spuro wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:22 pm
Would those same horror buffs be pissed off if you showed them The Invisible Man (1933)? What about The Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954), or The Fly (1958) (Not a black and white movie I was wrong), or Freaks (1932)?
All of them old, black and white movies largely considered to be horror that nonetheless merge with other genres and/or seek to inform their audience. If any of these count as horror, then why in the world wouldn't Gojira?
Gojira I would say is Sci Fi Horror.
I also used those movies as examples because they're either Sci Fi Horror films, like Gojira (The Invisible Man, The Fly), or they use their stories to try to push a message to their audience (The Creature from the Black Lagoon and Freaks). It's also worth noting that in all those stories we're meant to sympathize with the beings that the movie might define as "monstrous".
Although I didn't repeat it in those examples above, I did mention it in an earlier post: Frankenstein is a perfect comparison. Classic sci fi horror with a sympathetic monster that humans are responsible for creating, that tries to push a message to its audience.
Also, no one here is claiming Gojira isn't science fiction too. I for one would take it one step further and define it as "Sci Fi Disaster Horror." it can be all those things.
Objective fact ^^^^^
I thought this the day the design was revealed.
miguelnuva wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm
My point is just that I wouldn't call Gojira a horror movie. I would call it a Sci Fi Horror.
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You continue to ignore other circumstances and evidence presented to you why the film could have performed better during normal times. You continue to ignore the people who watched it on HBO MAX or didn't go to the theater due to COVID. I don't think anyone is saying the movie would have made another $300 million during non-COVID times, but to say it had no impact is again wrong. I have read so many industry articles from Variety, Hollywood Reporter, etc that mention the impact COVID had on the industry. How can the first big film out of the gate when a small portion of the country was vaccinated have no impact? Again, its silly.StreamOfKaijuness wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:01 pm
There just isn’t anything about how Godzilla vs. Kong actually performed in theaters this year that indicates it was muted by the pandemic to any significant degree.
We can speculate wildly about how much more theatrical business GvsK might have pulled in if it weren’t for the pandemic but that doesn’t amount to anything more than fan speculation. Godzilla fandom in general has a tendency to ignore the reality of Godzilla’s mainstream popularity while vastly overestimating the consumer footprint of dedicated Godzilla fans.
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<=25% joke. >=75% topic. Even then - that's pushing it.
See the scary part is I have no idea if you are serious or just saying this to fuck with people lol
That's unpopular?