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MonsterZero 1965
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 Posted: Tue Sep 22 2009 7:08 PM Post subject: Ghidorah, The Three Headed Monster commentary |
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Did anyone notice the inaccuracies in the Ghidorah commentary? Like David Kalat saying that the big pool was used for the Godzilla vs. Rodan fight scene, it wasn't a smaller pool was built in the soundstage and the composited trees were not used to cover up the edge of the tank, it was Eiji Tsuburaya's way to add life into the sceen. I'll rewatch the movie with the commentary to see if I can find more mistakes.
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ZoneFighter73
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His biggest mistake was saying that Ghidora's entrance was used in every single film, when it only appeared in Destroy all Monsters.
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Malchik.
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| But how can you hate a man with so much energy. |
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ZoneFighter73
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| Malchik. wrote: | | But how can you hate a man with so much energy. |
Who says I hate him?
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August
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I noted the factual errors in the audio commentary before, such as the measurements of the Big Pool, and that comment not only about the Godzilla-Rodan fight, which was shot on an interior soundstage with a smaller pool, but the matte painting to cover the edge of the pool. Tsuburaya added that for depth of field, not to cover the edge of the pool -- I don't think that the camera set-ups were that lazy...
He guesses in places and makes assumptions he passes off as fact. I'm surprised that whomever was in charge didn't catch these mistakes right away. Too bad, his commentary is infectious...
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ZoneFighter73
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| August wrote: | I noted the factual errors in the audio commentary before, such as the measurements of the Big Pool, and that comment not only about the Godzilla-Rodan fight, which was shot on an interior soundstage with a smaller pool, but the matte painting to cover the edge of the pool. Tsuburaya added that for depth of field, not to cover the edge of the pool -- I don't think that the camera set-ups were that lazy...
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Kalat must have been reading Ed's book, since he says the exact same thing about a "garbage matte" shot in Ghidrah.
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Gojiguy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22 2009 9:22 PM Post subject: Re: Ghidorah, The Three Headed Monster commentary |
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| MonsterZero 1965 wrote: | | Did anyone notice the inaccuracies in the Ghidorah commentary? Like David Kalat saying that the big pool was used for the Godzilla vs. Rodan fight scene, it wasn't a smaller pool was built in the soundstage and the composited trees were not used to cover up the edge of the tank, it was Eiji Tsuburaya's way to add life into the sceen. I'll rewatch the movie with the commentary to see if I can find more mistakes. |
Can you cite any sources to the contrary? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know. Even he recognized that he made mistakes with Godzilla facts. |
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MonsterZero 1965
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23 2009 5:13 PM Post subject: Re: Ghidorah, The Three Headed Monster commentary |
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| Gojiguy wrote: | | MonsterZero 1965 wrote: | | Did anyone notice the inaccuracies in the Ghidorah commentary? Like David Kalat saying that the big pool was used for the Godzilla vs. Rodan fight scene, it wasn't a smaller pool was built in the soundstage and the composited trees were not used to cover up the edge of the tank, it was Eiji Tsuburaya's way to add life into the sceen. I'll rewatch the movie with the commentary to see if I can find more mistakes. |
Can you cite any sources to the contrary? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know. Even he recognized that he made mistakes with Godzilla facts. |
Japanese books I have about the films and other books about Eiji Tsuburaya's special effects and films he worked on.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24 2009 12:44 AM Post subject: Re: Ghidorah, The Three Headed Monster commentary |
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| MonsterZero 1965 wrote: | | Gojiguy wrote: | | MonsterZero 1965 wrote: | | Did anyone notice the inaccuracies in the Ghidorah commentary? Like David Kalat saying that the big pool was used for the Godzilla vs. Rodan fight scene, it wasn't a smaller pool was built in the soundstage and the composited trees were not used to cover up the edge of the tank, it was Eiji Tsuburaya's way to add life into the sceen. I'll rewatch the movie with the commentary to see if I can find more mistakes. |
Can you cite any sources to the contrary? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know. Even he recognized that he made mistakes with Godzilla facts. |
Japanese books I have about the films and other books about Eiji Tsuburaya's special effects and films he worked on. |
If you could post a scan that would be nice. but to quote Mr. Martin "My Japanese is a little rusty."
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| August wrote: |
He guesses in places and makes assumptions he passes off as fact. I'm surprised that whomever was in charge didn't catch these mistakes right away. Too bad, his commentary is infectious... |
That's why every dvd with a commentary has that disclaimer |
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August
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Disclaimers are for opinions and comments not misinformation. Still, that's no excuse for being completely wrong. With that being said, why didn't the project leaders fact check the Audio Commentary scripts beforehand for such gaffes? (I duly note that one poster said about the "garbage matte" comment originating from Ed's book.) I just don't understand the lack of fact checking and quality control. On the other hand, I thought the audio commentary for GODZILLA, KING OF THE MONSTERS was very well done.
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Malchik.
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| I'm guessing the people in charge of the porject are not complete experts on Godzilla. |
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August
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| Malchik. wrote: | | I'm guessing the people in charge of the porject are not complete experts on Godzilla. |
I wouldn't say that, as they are pretty dyed-in-the-wool ( and their body of work speaks for them). But, people are people, and people make mistakes. Data and information can also be lost in the translation from Japanese to English as well.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05 2009 10:59 PM Post subject: |
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| August wrote: | | Disclaimers are for opinions and comments not misinformation. Still, that's no excuse for being completely wrong. With that being said, why didn't the project leaders fact check the Audio Commentary scripts beforehand for such gaffes? (I duly note that one poster said about the "garbage matte" comment originating from Ed's book.) I just don't understand the lack of fact checking and quality control. On the other hand, I thought the audio commentary for GODZILLA, KING OF THE MONSTERS was very well done. |
I know for the company I work for, when we have audio commentaries done, we leave it up to the guest to come up with what he's going to say, we never check them for accuracies. That said, maybe he believes everything he's heard, which is why he's repeating them, not realising they're wrong... |
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