miguelnuva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:10 pm
The titan concept came up because Dougherty wanted to expand on how Godzilla was the leader in the showa series from DAM-TOMG.
I also don't see how the change in tone has to do with the change in design.
The problem I have with that is that this Godzilla is not the Showa series Godzilla. I've mentioned this before.
So you don't see how Legendary's Godzilla was built for the tone and overall feel of the 2014 film? The design has everything to do with the world they're presenting. We would have gotten a different design if this current direction was the intention from the very beginning.
miguelnuva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:10 pm
Heisei might be the only series where the lore fits with the first film. Compare Godzilla vs Gigan to Godzilla 1954 for example.
Why do you keep doing this? There's a difference between a billion dollar Hollywood series that's only four movies in, and low budget kid-centric sequels from the 1970s to a dark and serious, post-war 1950s movie. Godzilla vs. Gigan was the 12th movie in, with Godzilla and Anguirus talking and whatnot, and had cockroach aliens for fuck's sake. We should be beyond the cheesy, silly, stock footage ridden 1970s stuff when making comparisons. The movies are of a completely different standard and from different decades. Look to the Heisei Gamera trilogy for your comparisons sometimes. It wasn't afraid to do something new and stick to it.
miguelnuva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:10 pm
Godzilla is no more a God in G14 then he is in KOTM it's just that now we see more evidence that he is treated as such, even Shin Godzilla some thought was a God when he showed up in that film. Humans worship what they don't understand. Dagon's roar liked sounded like Thunder and his breath could have been thought to be lighting. Godzilla came to stop the Muto's from reproducing, in awakening he stops Shinomura from causing havoc and Prime was calling him out as well.
Shouldn't you be saying
that to Jermobooka and everyone else who seem to see it a bit differently?
And, that is exactly my point.
They're like gods to humans, not actually gods. The legends they inspired were not exact to their appearances, status, or abilities. Take a look at 5146_ADAM, known as "Dagon" or "Raijin." Is Godzilla a lightning god? Does Godzilla represent the real-life Raijin in any way? Does it look like any of his species would be lightning gods? Storm gods? Merman fish-gods of fertility (crops)? Of course not.
I'm saying that they shouldn't have this strange Alpha hierarchy, bowing and submitting between them all, especially based on the first two movies. They're not gods, they're seperate species of creatures as seen in 2014 and K:SI. The "Titan" terminology, and "old gods" stuff Dougherty mentioned is obviously trying to connect them to some sort of godlike, spiritual system. Godzilla being able to sense all sorts of things across the planet is more of that. I preferred the MUTO terminology over the Titan thing. The Alpha frequencies thing is just odd. Submission is intraspecific, like I said.
miguelnuva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:10 pm
Godzilla never once tries to prey on the Muto. If anything Godzilla is the prey based on G14 and Aftershock and only Shinomura was ever really prey. Godzilla is simply a rival Alpha predator.
Apex predators don't just hunt down and kill other animals to eat them. They hunt and kill what they see as pests and competition as well. The more intelligent an apex predator, the more often they'll target or "prey" upon subjects that are not just for consumption. Orcas, seals, bears, and lions may kill to eat, or for the sake of killing. Almost all apes pursue and kill pests and competition, and humans are the only commonly predatory (omnivorous) apes other than chimpanzees (gorillas do occasionally eat monkeys). Bears kill wolves, and lions kill hyenas (and vice-versa for the latter example). Lions rarely eat hyenas. Godzilla could have eaten MUTOs on occasion. We never saw that. He doesn't have to in order to hunt and kill them, though.
Anyway, my point was that the creatures in the MonsterVerse as a whole have predator - prey relationships; it was not about Godzilla specifically. They simply shouldn't bow and submit. You seem to have misunderstood me.