Mosura92 wrote:KingKong2005 wrote:miguelnuva wrote:
You mentioned the ring first when you brought up a cage match. For the last time Ghidorah floored Godzilla once with what looks like a triple gravity beam, the second time he is with a single beam. Godzilla's head slumps like someone that got dased, then the final triple gravity beam floors him and knocks him down in a hole.
If two people fought in real life like that no one would say Godzilla won and your moving goal post talking about Godzilla is physically stronger than Ghidorah. Godzilla has always for the most part been physically stronger because Ghidorah doesn't have arms.
Even in the showa series it was the gravity beams that made Ghidorah so dangerous.
If it was a ring, Ghidorah would not be able to retreat (hence
cage match), meaning roasted dragon for Godzilla's lunch. That's what I meant, that if Ghidorah is not able to retreat he still loses. Clearly Ghidorah was playing defense after having a taste of CQC (which he has been shown to lose miserably at three times).
Not only do you show a lack of knowledge for fighting or judging a fight sensibly, you fail to even understand or at the very least grasp what the movie was portraying during those GvG scenes. I hate the term fanboy but thats exactly what you come across as on this thread. I very rarely post on here but enjoy the knowledge and perspective of a lot of the accounts on toho threads but this is so just obnoxiously ignorant in the aspect of the monsterverse and fight choreography that i feel like posting. Ghidorah had to power up due to Godzilla just having been boosted by the nuke, a stronger version than the Godzilla that Ghidorah fought in Antarctica. And by a statement of Ghidorahs gravity beams being the only effective thing, did you not see ghidorah hoist him into near space and dropping him or Ghidorah dragging him thru the city? And Godzilla almost bodied Ghidorah in the water because A: its Godzillas element and has always gotten a buff from water B: he caught Ghidorah completely off guard (which imo he was trying to do in Antarctica as well) From what i can surmise what you describe from your view in the movies sounds like someone who only saw the movie once and is making rousing but annoying arguments as to why youre correct and it comes off as imature practically.
I've broken down the fights many times. I fully understand Godzilla winning in water, but my argument is valid. King Ghidorah does not ONCE show he
physically has what it takes to go up against Godzilla.
Ghidorah had to power up due to Godzilla just having been boosted by the nuke, a stronger version than the Godzilla that Ghidorah fought in Antarctica.
My issue is that Godzilla was
already too powerful in Antartica. King Ghidorah does not land any successful hits on Godzilla. He gets swatted away like a toy. The only things Ghidorah has in his arsenal to actually deal damage to Godzilla is the triple gravity beam attack. That is all. King Ghidorah getting a powerup so he can stand a chance all comes off as cheap to me. He shouldn't have been made so weak to begin with, if you wanna talk about what seems like fanboying, look no further than the film making Godzilla basically untouchable when it comes to Ghidorah.
Not only do you show a lack of knowledge for fighting or judging a fight sensibly, you fail to even understand or at the very least grasp what the movie was portraying during those GvG scenes.
This right here is a joke. "What the movie was portraying"? I can see what it was portraying. It was clearly meant to show Godzilla is untouchable, that Godzilla is "dA kIng!1", that he knows anything and everything and to leave it to the humans to constantly screw things up (waking up Ghidorah, detonating the OD, etc). The movie clearly wanted the fans to think of this Godzilla as on par with other powerful Godzillas since many felt he was weak in G14. Each battle had absolutely
no tension,
no stakes, no nothing. Why? Because Godzilla was simply overpowered and Ghidorah was heavily undermined. The film wasted every single aspect of Godzilla's franchise for the sake of cannon fodder, from Ghidorah to Burning G to the OD, nothing had meaning other than brief cameos since Dougherty is afraid he'll never make another Godzilla film. I can judge the fights very fairly. Godzilla dominates Ghidorah in every single area, Ghidorah only makes it out alive due to his beam weapons and yeah, he did retreat the Antartica fight.
At the end of the day, Ghidorah is always outmatched in every category except his beams. The second Godzilla gets in close, it's over. Ghidorah knew that and that's why he retreated (once Godzilla proved able to survive the beams and keep fighting). You act like the film's fights serve a different purpose other than to wank Godzilla, and you'd be wrong. It's like I said, the film makes a clear as day approach to make sure the humans are stupid, to make Ghidorah weak, to make Godzilla have no challenge at all, to shove any possible thing of Godzilla's lore they can into the film (whether it serves a true purpose or not, instead being pointless fan service cameos) and for Godzilla to alway be "kInG1!". It's like the film only catered to children, china, and fans who enjoy horrible narratives. What brings me to this thread is the topic, Godzilla is simply undeserving of the win.
