Is the Monsterverse doomed to begin with?

[shadowgigan]

I still think the GA wanted something more in line with the tone of the 1st G14 trailer. They won't respond well to the next film after being duped the first time.

[JGAR]

That’s very true.

I wonder from time to time what it would be like if Godzilla 2014 had better writing (should’ve payed Frank Darabont more to rewrite the rest of the film), and if it were the film that it was advertised as. Bryan Cranston vs. force of nature Godzilla with real apocalyptic stakes and nuclear horror.

I would’ve rather had Edwards direct his trilogy with Darabont as his screenwriter than a “MonsterVerse.” Could’ve been the rival equivalent to the Planet of the Apes trilogy of the decade. WB already had a more appropriate cinematic universe in DC, even if the installments for the most part sucked.

[Garzon]

In all honesty, making a shared universe that revolves around giant monsters was always going to be tough to pull off. It works with superheroes because the characters from Marvel and DC have fleshed out personalities that allows them to work off one another, as well as countless big storylines from the comics to pull from. In comparison, Godzilla and Kong are giant monsters. They don’t really have personalities to work off of. Because of that, the only thing you’d really have to look forward to in a Godzilla vs. Kong movie is watching them beat each other up, which they already do with other monsters.

[_JNavs_]

Except they do have personalities?

Anyway, good characters = good returns.

[BlankAccount]

In all honesty, making a shared universe that revolves around giant monsters was always going to be tough to pull off. It works with superheroes because the characters from Marvel and DC have fleshed out personalities that allows them to work off one another, as well as countless big storylines from the comics to pull from. In comparison, Godzilla and Kong are giant monsters. They don’t really have personalities to work off of. Because of that, the only thing you’d really have to look forward to in a Godzilla vs. Kong movie is watching them beat each other up, which they already do with other monsters.

This smirk says otherwise.

[Gigantis]

Except they do have personalities?

Anyway, good characters = good returns.

Yeah but, like, who else noticed that besides us? It had to be full on pointed out instead of people easily figuring it out for themselves. Your personality isn't very clear to people if the movie has to point it out to you!

[BlankAccount]

Except they do have personalities?

Anyway, good characters = good returns.

Yeah but, like, who else noticed that besides us? It had to be full on pointed out instead of people easily figuring it out for themselves. Your personality isn't very clear to people if the movie has to point it out to you!

I think some people just want to make up faults that aren't there instead of looking for real ones cause they like to bitch. Go subtle and they say the monsters had no personality. Don't be subtle and they change the goal post to that being a bad thing cause it makes them "cartoony". You can't win.

[Garzon]

In all honesty, making a shared universe that revolves around giant monsters was always going to be tough to pull off. It works with superheroes because the characters from Marvel and DC have fleshed out personalities that allows them to work off one another, as well as countless big storylines from the comics to pull from. In comparison, Godzilla and Kong are giant monsters. They don’t really have personalities to work off of. Because of that, the only thing you’d really have to look forward to in a Godzilla vs. Kong movie is watching them beat each other up, which they already do with other monsters.

This smirk says otherwise.

I don’t mean that they’re devoid of personality, but they can’t exactly work off one another when they’re giant monsters who can’t talk. They can’t exactly engage in witty banter or have philosophical discussions about what it means to be a hero.

[Gigantis]

Except they do have personalities?

Anyway, good characters = good returns.

Yeah but, like, who else noticed that besides us? It had to be full on pointed out instead of people easily figuring it out for themselves. Your personality isn't very clear to people if the movie has to point it out to you!

I think some people just want to make up faults that aren't there instead of looking for real ones cause they like to skreeonk. Go subtle and they say the monsters had no personality. Don't be subtle and they change the goal post to that being a bad thing cause it makes them "cartoony". You can't win.

This argument doesn't really work when you consider these are probably different people saying it.

[G2000]

I don’t mean that they’re devoid of personality, but they can’t exactly work off one another when they’re giant monsters who can’t talk. They can’t exactly engage in witty banter or have philosophical discussions about what it means to be a hero.

Of course they do, what do you think all the roaring's about

[BlankAccount]

Yeah but, like, who else noticed that besides us? It had to be full on pointed out instead of people easily figuring it out for themselves. Your personality isn't very clear to people if the movie has to point it out to you!

I think some people just want to make up faults that aren't there instead of looking for real ones cause they like to skreeonk. Go subtle and they say the monsters had no personality. Don't be subtle and they change the goal post to that being a bad thing cause it makes them "cartoony". You can't win.

This argument doesn't really work when you consider these are probably different people saying it.

It doesn't invalidate it. You can have a lot of people say something about a movie that isn't true or a misconception, all it takes is one person saying something and others parroting them.

[Huan_of_Valinor]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the third currently running "Cinematic Universe" right now?

The MCU, the DCEU, and the Monsterverse. Unless I've forgotten one.

The Dark Universe and Ghost Corps were dead on arrival, were there any others attempted?

Also, I'm not one of those that thinks there's a Disney Conspiracy, but it *was* the summer of Disney. Iirc Hobbs and Shaw was the first non-Disney film to break half a billion dollars all summer. Currently 7 of the top 10 grossing films worldwide this year are either Disney or Marvel (so Disney). The non-Disney films that beat out KotM durning the peak of its run were Secret Life of Pets 2, John Wick (domestically) and Detective Pikachu... everything else was Disney.

The Monsterverse's future is uncertain, and as others have stated, it hinges on Godzilla vs Kong.

[miguelnuva]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the third currently running "Cinematic Universe" right now?

The MCU, the DCEU, and the Monsterverse. Unless I've forgotten one.

The Dark Universe and Ghost Corps were dead on arrival, were there any others attempted?

Also, I'm not one of those that thinks there's a Disney Conspiracy, but it *was* the summer of Disney. Iirc Hobbs and Shaw was the first non-Disney film to break half a billion dollars all summer. Currently 7 of the top 10 grossing films worldwide this year are either Disney or Marvel (so Disney). The non-Disney films that beat out KotM durning the peak of its run were Secret Life of Pets 2, John Wick (domestically) and Detective Pikachu... everything else was Disney.

The Monsterverse's future is uncertain, and as others have stated, it hinges on Godzilla vs Kong.

This year was Disney's version of Destroy all monsters. No one will ever have another year like they did this year movie wise.

[JAGzilla]

This year was Disney's version of Destroy all monsters. No one will ever have another year like they did this year movie wise.

DAM doesn't even compare. It wasn't deliberately built up to for a decade. I agree, it'll be very difficult for today's short-sighted, i-want-my-maximum-profit-NAOW studios to patiently craft another event like the Infinity Saga, and now that one has happened, all other attempts will be pale imitations.

[Garzon]

Regardless of how GvK performs, at least Legendary will be able to live with the fact that the MonsterVerse wasn’t as big a failure as the Dark Universe.

[KingKong2005]

In all honesty, making a shared universe that revolves around giant monsters was always going to be tough to pull off. It works with superheroes because the characters from Marvel and DC have fleshed out personalities that allows them to work off one another, as well as countless big storylines from the comics to pull from. In comparison, Godzilla and Kong are giant monsters. They don’t really have personalities to work off of. Because of that, the only thing you’d really have to look forward to in a Godzilla vs. Kong movie is watching them beat each other up, which they already do with other monsters.

This smirk says otherwise.

Yeah...Godzilla has just about as much personality as the lions in The Lion King (2019) do.

[Cookson]

If GvsKong is it, the Monsterverse got 4 movies. Not bad really in a world where Marvel and DC rule.

[mikelcho]

On that note, and to paraphrase the Omni Viewer, better only four movies that really do well and are well liked than an ongoing series that peaks and then slowly declines until it ends not with a bang, but a whimper.

[UltramanGoji]

In all honesty, making a shared universe that revolves around giant monsters was always going to be tough to pull off. It works with superheroes because the characters from Marvel and DC have fleshed out personalities that allows them to work off one another, as well as countless big storylines from the comics to pull from. In comparison, Godzilla and Kong are giant monsters. They don’t really have personalities to work off of. Because of that, the only thing you’d really have to look forward to in a Godzilla vs. Kong movie is watching them beat each other up, which they already do with other monsters.

This smirk says otherwise.

Is there a red circle you can use for this or something cause I have no idea where you're seeing a smirk.

[keizerkaiju]

Yeah...Godzilla has just about as much personality as the lions in The Lion King (2019) do.

I'd say Godzilla is more expressive than the lions. At least they didn't have him singing, which was really awkward in Lion King '19.