Toho Kingdom

tyrantgoji wrote:We have another plot about Godzilla going up against one of his clones,

Megaguirus isn't a clone of Godzilla at all, though. She was (IIRC) mutated by his energy, yes, but she was going to be a big ugly dragonfly thing either way.

And to throw my unsolicited $0.02 into the conversation because I'm an obnoxious ass like that, I would say there's no problem at all with defending Godzilla vs. Megaguirus. I'm not going to call it some kind of overlooked masterpiece, because it absolutely is not, but it does have ambition and a ton of dumb fun value on its side, and I agree that those endearing qualities get unfairly overshadowed by its flaws and similarity to the Kiryu films. So it should be defended. The trick, as when defending any other unpopular movie, is to pick one's battles wisely, accept that one is not going to win them all, acknowledge that mileage will vary, and above all, don't get mad. I'm a big fan of Godzilla's Revenge, so I know what I'm talking about when I say that if I got even slightly worked up at every negative review that movie gets, I'd have died of a fucking heart attack years ago.

I really like the design of the Meganulon in this movie. It's too bad they didn't get as much screen-time as they did in Rodan. Imagine a sequence similar to the one from Godzilla vs Destoroyah where it has a bunch of soldiers fighting off the Meganulon. That would've been dope.

It`s the best movie of the Millenium series in my eyes.

GMK 2001 was technically brilliant but I don`t like the design of Ghidora and all the underwater scenes taking out the pace of the movie.
1999 G vs Orga was technically a mess and the final fight was way too short.
2002/2003 Kiryu Saga both are solid movies but 2003 is a little too emotional and 2002 is the only one who can keep the pace with 2000s Megaguirus.
2004 Final Wars... no comment...

So after watching the whole Millennium series about 10 times, G x Megaguirus is my favorite.

I didn't even know about that whole intense battle of Toho Kingdom vs HedorahIsBestGirl and just reading it now, I have one thing to say.

It's another case of people taking memes way too seriously.

Gailah 1966 wrote:It`s the best movie of the Millenium series in my eyes.

So after watching the whole Millennium series about 10 times, G x Megaguirus is my favorite.

This is why we need a goddamn like button on Toho Kingdom.

We do have topics where we rate and pick films we like.

Did you know that GxM is "the pinnacle of the Heisei Godzilla series"?



So proclaims Toho's 2001 VHS/DVD artwork.

Terasawa wrote:Did you know that GxM is "the pinnacle of the Heisei Godzilla series"?



So proclaims Toho's 2001 VHS/DVD artwork.

Well I mean, they’re not wrong, on both fronts. It did come out in Japan’s Heisei period, and, it has a lot of Heisei elements such as the weapon to kill Godzilla that fails.

It probably predates the official "Millennium Series" name but I just thought it was interesting that they deliberately tied it to the Heisei Godzilla Series.

Terasawa wrote:It probably predates the official "Millennium Series" name but I just thought it was interesting that they deliberately tied it to the Heisei Godzilla Series.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the term "vs Series" initially used to differentiate the earlier Heisei entries from the "Millennium Series," with all of them falling under the larger Heisei umbrella? Or was "vs Series" always strictly a fan appellation?

IIRC, "Vs. Series" is a Japanese fandom nickname but I think Toho officially refers to the two series as the "Heisei" and "Millennium" series.

eabaker wrote:

Terasawa wrote:It probably predates the official "Millennium Series" name but I just thought it was interesting that they deliberately tied it to the Heisei Godzilla Series.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the term "vs Series" initially used to differentiate the earlier Heisei entries from the "Millennium Series," with all of them falling under the larger Heisei umbrella?

I think UG's right: I believe "VS Series" was coined by Japanese fans while that series was still in production (so some time during the 1990s). (Who wants to dig through G-Fans to check if it was being used by JD back then too?) I don't know when or in what context "Heisei Godzilla Series" was first used but IIRC it's spoken in at least some of the making of specials for the 1989-1995 films.

Both "VS" and "Heisei" are used on Japanese Wikipedia pages: it's the only series that uses two titles. For example, here and here.

Omni Viewer does a very good job explaining how GxMG is a far superior film to this film, and for those who haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

VoyagerGoji wrote:Omni Viewer does a very good job explaining how GxMG is a far superior film to this film, and for those who haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

Despite the superficial plot/character similarities, the two movies are too tonally different for any kind of 1:1 comparison to make sense.

And to my mind, while GxMG may be better by most measures (certainly not all), it ain't nearly a good enough movie to be considered "far superior" to anything else in the Godzilla series.

Speaking of, doesn’t GxMG feel like the longest 88-minute movie ever? That thing draaaags.

Terasawa wrote:Speaking of, doesn’t GxMG feel like the longest 88-minute movie ever? That thing draaaags.

To some, maybe. Not for me, of course, it was one of my first G-movies and one of my favourites.

Terasawa wrote:Speaking of, doesn’t GxMG feel like the longest 88-minute movie ever? That thing draaaags.

Seriously though, I always thought that movie was close to two hours until I finally looked up the length. Still can't believe it isn't even an hour and a half...

Terasawa wrote:Speaking of, doesn’t GxMG feel like the longest 88-minute movie ever? That thing draaaags.

It definitely sags in places, but for me Tokyo SOS is the one that really feels interminable.

That’s true. Neither one feels much shorter than the Heisei Godzillas that run in the 100-minute range.

The most inexcusable reboot ever. Seriously, this film coulda had at least some benefit to continuity with G2000. I've even seen fan rewrites that do that exact thing and it proves to be a boon.