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KingKaiju wrote:Ya know, I used to really dislike the FinalGoji suit. But as time goes by, even though I feel the same about this film, I'm starting to REALLY like this design.
I like it a lot actually. I think the people that complain about it being "rat faced" or being too skinny are ridiculous. It's a lot less stiff than the one used for the kiryu saga which is good.
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KingKaiju wrote:Ya know, I used to really dislike the FinalGoji suit. But as time goes by, even though I feel the same about this film, I'm starting to REALLY like this design.
I like it a lot actually. I think the people that complain about it being "rat faced" or being too skinny are ridiculous. It's a lot less stiff than the one used for the kiryu saga which is good.
There’s something about it that I really like, especially as time’s passed. It’s like a cool mix of the Heisei, Showa, and millennium suits.
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I absolutely love FinalGoji, one of my favorite designs, if not my favorite design still.
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Final Wars was my first film so I will always have a place in my heart for it, warts and all.

As for "Rat face", IMO, if it just had a more 1954 like face and spines, it'd be one of the best suits in the eyes of the fandom. As it is, it's a fun new take.
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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:As for "Rat face", IMO, if it just had a more 1954 like face and spines, it'd be one of the best suits in the eyes of the fandom. As it is, it's a fun new take.
Personally, face is the first and most important thing I take into account when judging a G-suits face. So, "if it had a different face and spines" is kind of like saying, "Well, if this president just had significantly different policies on the majority of issues..." ;)
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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:As for "Rat face", IMO, if it just had a more 1954 like face and spines, it'd be one of the best suits in the eyes of the fandom. As it is, it's a fun new take.
Personally, face is the first and most important thing I take into account when judging a G-suits face. So, "if it had a different face and spines" is kind of like saying, "Well, if this president just had significantly different policies on the majority of issues..." ;)
Fair haha. I usually do the same and like 2004's face, just meant for widespread public opinion.
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I've never liked the way Wakasa's suit's faces look. Nearly all of them have this paper-thin bottom jaw that doesn't look good.
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Terasawa wrote:I've never liked the way Wakasa's suit's faces look. Nearly all of them have this paper-thin bottom jaw that doesn't look good.
I don't like how scrunched up Anguirus or King Shisa's face look.
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It might have to do with the more realistic human eyes in tandem with the way the snout is. They look way too human like or mammalian.
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Yeah, I cannot believe that they found a way to make KS look significantly worse than his original goofy suit. And as a longtime Angilas fan, I was really excited for his return in GFA, only to be heartbroken by that hideous thing up on the screen.
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They remind me of the characters Paul Blaisdell created for various '50s monster movies. His monsters' faces were sculpted so that they were always scowling. There's no ambiguity to the expression on either of those^^ faces, either: they both look just angry.
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I don't know, I don't really see what's wrong with Anguirus, at least to an extent that it can be called "hideous". It's certainly a lot better looking than most fan-made designs I've seen for the character.
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I'm not comparing to fan art, though; I'm only comparing to previous on screen incarnations of the character, which did not look pug-faced and cross-eyed.
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eabaker wrote:I'm not comparing to fan art, though; I'm only comparing to previous on screen incarnations of the character, which did not look pug-faced and cross-eyed.
Fair enough. I guess what I meant by that was that there's so many different ways that the design could've been interpreted that look way out of character for Anguirus and I think the GFW one got mostly correct with it. I think it retains a lot of features that make Anguirus Anguirus as well as changing things up a bit to be fresh. A bully-ish face works for me because that's kind of what Anguirus is: a bully dog-type kaiju, tenacious and in-your-face. Granted, the on-screen portrayal doesn't really live up to that but the isolated design I think works well enough for what it is.
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UltramanGoji wrote:Fair enough. I guess what I meant by that was that there's so many different ways that the design could've been interpreted that look way out of character for Anguirus and I think the GFW one got mostly correct with it. I think it retains a lot of features that make Anguirus Anguirus as well as changing things up a bit to be fresh. A bully-ish face works for me because that's kind of what Anguirus is: a bully dog-type kaiju, tenacious and in-your-face. Granted, the on-screen portrayal doesn't really live up to that but the isolated design I think works well enough for what it is.
For me, the length of Angilas's snout was always one of his more distinctive features, so with this stubbier version it does stop looking like quite the same monster to me. I always found the big eyes and downturned mouth of the '68 suit very appealing, as well (as much as I like the 55 suit, it doesn't convey nearly as much personality). The '68 suit looks intelligent to me, while the '04 suit looks dumb as a rock.
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UltramanGoji wrote:I don't know, I don't really see what's wrong with Anguirus, at least to an extent that it can be called "hideous". It's certainly a lot better looking than most fan-made designs I've seen for the character.
Oh, you mean the "hey guys I drew an ankylosaurus and put a nasal horn on it" designs? Yeah, those are pretty godawful. GFW Anguirus is okay looking in my opinion. Nowhere near as good as the Showa version, but not terrible.
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Eh Anguirus is fine. It's just the head that looks a tad bit off. Because it's so small it makes him look like some kinda weird looking dino-dog hybrid. :lol:

And i have stated my dislike for King Caesar's revamp before, but i will admit, besides the missing ruby eyes, he does have a good head. It's just his hair and body...his hair looks too shaggy my liking and he's so skinny the suit looks like a body stocking.
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I like how this Godzilla has feline expressions, looks like a cat.

The Rodan design of this movie is so exaggerated, i love it, though, not exactly my favorite Rodan design.
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I always thought Anguirus had a pretty cool update. I prefer the Showa Angurius, but I liked what we got here. I do agree with the human eyes though, I always wondered what looked so off about some of these suits, especially King Seesar, and I realized it’s his eyes. Generally, I like all the updates, even though I really dislike this film, except for Rodan, King Seesar, and Minya, what a load of crap that last one was. I remember when it was announced that Minya wold be in this movie, and people were expecting a Godzilla junior type of design... nope! Sure would’ve loved more Hedorah too.
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Anguirus' head DOES look kinda weird, but maybe this is because after being used to his old Showa look for so long, it's kinda hard to imagine anything else-Ditto the color scheme. Still, you can take one look at the Millenium/Final Wars Anguirus and say 'Yep, that's Anguirus' simply because they've got such a unique silhouette and moveset.

King Caesar's design isn't so bad imo, although that's partially because I'm so used to the Millenium design myself-Showa's still really good. Besides, if I'm being honest, while the Millenium design is definitely different, the actual movie version looks infinitely better than THIS render of King Caesar

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Honestly, I LIKE most of the Final Wars designs-I do wish they gave the monsters more powers though (Fire Rodan's Uranium Heat Beam, Kumonga's stinger), but I think they're pretty good. I like the color schemes, the detail, the scale of the monsters, and the fact that they look more physically capable or fit compared to the more softer edges of the Showa series and the heft of the Heisei age. Admittedly, the Millenium designs still hold flaws (ie too humanoid) and the Showa and Heisei are still good monster designs, but I just like the Millenium more...partially because I was raised on these designs, so I'm biased, but I still stand by my point they look great in my mind.
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Final Goji is one of my favorite suits, and I love his attitude
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