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I disagree on Keizer ghidorah. He’s memorable all right, memorable as being what I’d consider the worst designed kaiju in Godzilla history. Such a shame monster x morphs into that stupid pantomime horse with those tiny ass wings, weirder and more obscure than some ultra men Kaiju (non of which are the trying to be a ghidorah varient) but again, it’s ridiculous in a ridiculous film so it oddly enough fits.
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Jetty_Jags wrote:I disagree on Keizer ghidorah. He’s memorable all right, memorable as being what I’d consider the worst designed kaiju in Godzilla history. Such a shame monster x morphs into that stupid pantomime horse with those tiny ass wings, weirder and more obscure than some ultra men Kaiju (non of which are the trying to be a ghidorah varient) but again,it’s ridiculous in a ridiculous film so it oddly enough fits.
You know, probably the best description of Keizer Ghidorah I've ever heard of.

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MinorBone Good wrote:Sorry to say, but it doesn't say which issue. After a quick search, G-Fan #55 showed up first, which was released in 2002.
I checked through my old collections of G-Fan which I stopped getting at #75 winter winter 2006, no interview so it would have to be from a 2007 or later. It couldn't be from 2002 since that is before the film was written.

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This is horribly irrelevant, and I hate to derail the conversation, but I just remembered that when I re-watched this movie a few months ago I noticed my favorite movie detail of all time. On the Gotengo they have a screen that can be seen in a few shots with all the names of the crew and their jobs, and there is a gunner whose name is apparently Johnny Johnny. Do what you will with this information.
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Jetty_Jags wrote:This is horribly irrelevant, and I hate to derail the conversation, but I just remembered that when I re-watched this movie a few months ago I noticed my favorite movie detail of all time. On the Gotengo they have a screen that can be seen in a few shots with all the names of the crew and their jobs, and there is a gunner whose name is apparently Johnny Johnny. Do what you will with this information.
KWC/KWCE writers, next time you use the Gotengo for a match you better give a shout out to Johnny Johnny. I need this XD

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Sorry for the crud quality but here it is https://imgur.com/a/FNSjrlU.

Had to rip it from a really low quality youtube vid. :lol:
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On the subject of Keizer Ghidorah, this is a minor point, but I don’t get why they didn’t just call him King Ghidorah.

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Garzon wrote:On the subject of Keizer Ghidorah, this is a minor point, but I don’t get why they didn’t just call him King Ghidorah.
Cause Keizer means Emperor. I think they wanted to establish this was no ordinary Ghidorah but like the Ghidorah above all Ghidorah to cement him as Godzilla's greatest enemy for the final fight of the OG Series. If my memory hasn't betrayed me.

Plus different biology and all that.
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Garzon wrote:On the subject of Keizer Ghidorah, this is a minor point, but I don’t get why they didn’t just call him King Ghidorah.
Cause Keizer means Emperor. I think they wanted to establish this was no ordinary Ghidorah but like the Ghidorah above all Ghidorah to cement him as Godzilla's greatest enemy for the final fight of the OG Series. If my memory hasn't betrayed me.

Plus different biology and all that.
I know it means emperor, but GFW was the big 50th anniversary film. I think it would’ve been more appropriate for Godzilla’s final opponent in his 50th anniversary movie to be his most famous nemesis in classic form (with a size update, obviously).

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Terasawa wrote:More monsters? They were barely interested in featuring more than half of the ones they used.
Exactly, it's funny and sad at the same time lol
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Garzon wrote:
godjacob wrote:
Garzon wrote:On the subject of Keizer Ghidorah, this is a minor point, but I don’t get why they didn’t just call him King Ghidorah.
Cause Keizer means Emperor. I think they wanted to establish this was no ordinary Ghidorah but like the Ghidorah above all Ghidorah to cement him as Godzilla's greatest enemy for the final fight of the OG Series. If my memory hasn't betrayed me.

Plus different biology and all that.
I know it means emperor, but GFW was the big 50th anniversary film. I think it would’ve been more appropriate for Godzilla’s final opponent in his 50th anniversary movie to be his most famous nemesis in classic form (with a size update, obviously).
:?

Don't ask me man, I would have preferred a modified version of classic Ghidorah for the anniversary but I presume they wanted a form that "fit" more with Monster X's design so that is why they rolled with Keizer Ghidorah.

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I like the Antarctica battle with Gigan, specially because of the lightning, scenario and others things, iconic. I like the Zilla fight too, because it's SO dumb and looks like exactly what an 12 years old would do if they had the control of a Godzilla movie, it's so bad it's good. So much fun
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I kinda like the fact that Keizer Ghidorah/Monster X exists, I'm kinda tired of King Ghidorah. But i wish it was better designed and had a better execution too, it looks like stiff as Destoroyah and has wings even smaller than Destoroyah.
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So I found the Interview in G-Fan #55 from Mar/Apr 2002. The interview was conducted by J.D. Lee and the translator was Robert Scott Field. This was just after the release of GMK and in the interview they are talking about the 3 new experimental movies (G2k,GXM,GMK).

JD asks this Question "If we consider G2000, GxM, and GMK as three "streets," which street do you want to continue on, or do you want to change again?"
Shogo Tomiyama responded "I want to take the street the customers, the fans, would want to walk down. In the 1995 movie (Godzilla vs Destoroyah), there was another street we were walking down. I want you to remember that."
JD "I do remember that. Is that still an option, to return to the 1995 timeline?"
Shogo Tomiyama "Yes, instead of three, there are four we could walk down."

So long before Final Wars, in fact before GXMG and G:TSOS Tomiyama mentions they could return to the Heisei timeline. Hardly proof of a Godzilla Jr lead GFW draft. If that was what they wanted they they should never have hired Ryuhei Kitamura since he told them before they hired him that he didn't care for the 80's and 90's Godzilla films. http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2014/04/r ... -wars.html

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szmigiel wrote:So I found the Interview in G-Fan #55 from Mar/Apr 2002. The interview was conducted by J.D. Lee and the translator was Robert Scott Field. This was just after the release of GMK and in the interview they are talking about the 3 new experimental movies (G2k,GXM,GMK).

JD asks this Question "If we consider G2000, GxM, and GMK as three "streets," which street do you want to continue on, or do you want to change again?"
Shogo Tomiyama responded "I want to take the street the customers, the fans, would want to walk down. In the 1995 movie (Godzilla vs Destoroyah), there was another street we were walking down. I want you to remember that."
JD "I do remember that. Is that still an option, to return to the 1995 timeline?"
Shogo Tomiyama "Yes, instead of three, there are four we could walk down."

So long before Final Wars, in fact before GXMG and G:TSOS Tomiyama mentions they could return to the Heisei timeline. Hardly proof of a Godzilla Jr lead GFW draft. If that was what they wanted they they should never have hired Ryuhei Kitamura since he told them before they hired him that he didn't care for the 80's and 90's Godzilla films. http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2014/04/r ... -wars.html
That's so interesting, a bit weird too, but cool anyway.
Can you imagine if Toho revisits the Heisei timeline sometime? It would be great.
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Its weird how 2019's King of the Monsters was the first time we had the big four (Godzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah, and Rodan) all in a movie together in their most classic forms.

Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster KINDA gave us this, but Mothra was a larva the whole time, so we didn't get to see a fully realized Mothra. Destroy All Monsters had the same situation.

Then in Final Wars, we KINDA get it...heck this movie is actually the first time Rodan and Adult Mothra appear in the same film...except its not really the classic King Ghidorah, but Keizer Ghidorah. So its a new bigger, badder, better Ghidorah (or so they'd want us to think)....but it feels like a new monster and not the classic Ghidorah.

Its just strange because those four were the Mount Rushmore of Toho monsters to me, and it took until 2019 to truly get all four of them in a movie.

Now if we could just get one with Mechagodzilla along with those four...lol.
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When gigan used his blade slicers and it sliced his own head off and i always thought of him saying "Aw shoot." and his head falls off. I always laughed at that moment.
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GojiDog wrote:Its weird how 2019's King of the Monsters was the first time we had the big four (Godzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah, and Rodan) all in a movie together in their most classic forms.

Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster KINDA gave us this, but Mothra was a larva the whole time, so we didn't get to see a fully realized Mothra. Destroy All Monsters had the same situation.

Then in Final Wars, we KINDA get it...heck this movie is actually the first time Rodan and Adult Mothra appear in the same film...except its not really the classic King Ghidorah, but Keizer Ghidorah. So its a new bigger, badder, better Ghidorah (or so they'd want us to think)....but it feels like a new monster and not the classic Ghidorah.

Its just strange because those four were the Mount Rushmore of Toho monsters to me, and it took until 2019 to truly get all four of them in a movie.

Now if we could just get one with Mechagodzilla along with those four...lol.
And don't forget Anguirus! I don't think he gets enough credit as it is!

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Ya know, I used to really dislike the FinalGoji suit. But as time goes by, even though I feel the same about this film, I'm starting to REALLY like this design.
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