There is no controversy. Just idiot children and manchildren who don't understand the basic storytelling.Jeff-Goldblum1 wrote: To address the controversy about Godzilla being defeated by two caterpillars.
Grow the fuck up and get over it.
There is no controversy. Just idiot children and manchildren who don't understand the basic storytelling.Jeff-Goldblum1 wrote: To address the controversy about Godzilla being defeated by two caterpillars.
three wrote:leave me be maxrebo! damn you and your ability to play the game here....
UltramanGoji wrote: Cranky because you got mad I implied GFW isn't a good movie aren't you
Chrispy_G wrote:I'll say it one last time, Trump wins in a landslide.
I'll gladly eat crow if it doesn't turn out that way....but at this point it feels painfully obvious, as it has for months.
He has a tendency to do that.Goji wrote:Damn. Jeff straight just gave this topic cancer. Way to go, guy.
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:24 pm Don't go to a friend's wedding, send him 100 copies of Gamera vs Zigra instead. Be a man.
It's less that people take it as a personal insult and more that we're just sick and tired of hearing about why the ending is bad. In the 60+ years of this film's existence, nobody has ever given a clear and intelligent answer as to why Godzilla being defeated by the Mothra Larvae is a flaw of the film. Most of the backlash against this ending comes from younger fans who watch these films only for the special effects scenes and people who only care about the fighting prowess of the kaiju and not the narrative elements.Jeff-Goldblum1 wrote:I'm simply asking a hypothetical question. It's not even something that would ever happen.
Some people respond with reasonable replies as to why it's not a good idea.
Some people take it as a personal insult. Never understand forum mentality like that.
This. This is it, the answer we need.MaxRebo320 wrote:I'd only accept a refilmed ending with Godzilla winning if immediately following the deaths of the Mothra larvae, Hanuman arrives to fight Godzilla, knocking him to the ground and stabbing him in the throat with his pitchfork, blood oozing, killing him. There's then a scene of Kumayama and Torahata in Hell, pleading for one last chance, only for Satan to order their heads be cut off. We then cut to a shot of their bloody decapitated heads, and the movie ends.
But....but.... muh Gawdziller.....Pkmatrix wrote:I remain BAFFLED that anyone gets upset about Godzilla losing. I first saw this movie when I was eight and never thought, "Oh, Godzilla should have won!" Like, I can't be the only one who watches these movies FOR THE STORIES and CHARACTERS not just for explosions and destruction. Godzilla winning at the end would make NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. UltramanGoji has it 100% right.
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:24 pm Don't go to a friend's wedding, send him 100 copies of Gamera vs Zigra instead. Be a man.
The grace of God is a greater gift than we can truly fathom; undeserved mercy is a kindness humbling in its sheer scope.KaijuCanuck wrote:It’s part of my secret plan to create a fifth column in the US, pre-emoting our glorious conquest and the creation of the Canadian Empire, upon which the sun will consistently set after less than eight hours of daylight.
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:24 pm Don't go to a friend's wedding, send him 100 copies of Gamera vs Zigra instead. Be a man.
Well, if we're going to get into that... that's usually contrived, too. Usually by making Batman operate at 110% of his mental and prognostication abilities... while Superman is required to hold back his powers, his speed, limit his intelligence, and walk into obvious traps. So I think there's ample reason to be annoyed at that, too. Case in point? Batman v Superman was total nonsense. It may have served the story, but it was portrayed ridiculously and contrived both to get them fighting, keep them fighting, keep Superman from ending the fight in about five different places, and then to have Batman win.Maritonic wrote:I mean bear in mind we're not talking about a film where the larvae out-punched him. They used strategy to confine him in webbing. It was done completely realistically.
It's also been done in other films, yet it only seems to get brought up in *this* film. The same thing happens in Tokyo SOS, the only difference being that Kiryu drags him out to the ocean. So, I can't really understand how anyone who's an adult can actually be upset about it.
It's like being upset that Batman can defeat Superman by using strategy, gadgets, and Kryptonite.
The grace of God is a greater gift than we can truly fathom; undeserved mercy is a kindness humbling in its sheer scope.KaijuCanuck wrote:It’s part of my secret plan to create a fifth column in the US, pre-emoting our glorious conquest and the creation of the Canadian Empire, upon which the sun will consistently set after less than eight hours of daylight.
I made a point of avoiding Batman v. Superman. Wasn't discussing it. Superman holds back his powers as to not kill Batman, and there are thousands of plot points why.Zarm wrote:Well, if we're going to get into that... that's usually contrived, too. Usually by making Batman operate at 110% of his mental and prognostication abilities... while Superman is required to hold back his powers, his speed, limit his intelligence, and walk into obvious traps. So I think there's ample reason to be annoyed at that, too. Case in point? Batman v Superman was total nonsense. It may have served the story, but it was portrayed ridiculously and contrived both to get them fighting, keep them fighting, keep Superman from ending the fight in about five different places, and then to have Batman win.Maritonic wrote:I mean bear in mind we're not talking about a film where the larvae out-punched him. They used strategy to confine him in webbing. It was done completely realistically.
It's also been done in other films, yet it only seems to get brought up in *this* film. The same thing happens in Tokyo SOS, the only difference being that Kiryu drags him out to the ocean. So, I can't really understand how anyone who's an adult can actually be upset about it.
It's like being upset that Batman can defeat Superman by using strategy, gadgets, and Kryptonite.
So there, too, I get people being annoyed. Again, just because your threshold for disbelief isn't set off by that doesn't mean someone else's- someone who is an adult, and understands storycraft- won't still be.
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:24 pm Don't go to a friend's wedding, send him 100 copies of Gamera vs Zigra instead. Be a man.
And also multiple times that he didn't clearly articulate what was going on, or just stood there and let batman do something very slowly that was clearly another attack instead of racing up, immobilizing him, and explaining things.Maritonic wrote:I made a point of avoiding Batman v. Superman. Wasn't discussing it. Superman holds back his powers as to not kill Batman, and there are thousands of plot points why.
Right. And I do understand it works for you. I'll be rewatching it soon, and see how it's aged for me. But again, my point is that just because something works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Just like Batman v Superman. All I'm trying to say is, it isn't unreasonable for someone to feel differently about it.Maritonic wrote:My POINT was we're talking Strategy vs. Brute Strength. If the Larvae physically beat Godzilla yes, I'd call bullshit. That fight is clearly quite a panicked fight as they're often dodging his atomic breath and tail swipes. It's a desperation attempt to wrap him in webbing.
And I understand that. But the thread is turning into condescending, borderline-insulting statements regarding how it's inexplicable that anyone who's a grown-up or watches movies for anything other than mindless fighting and explosions could possibly be bothered by the same thing that someone else had an over-the-top reaction to. And that's where I'm stepping in and saying "Hey, that's taking it a little too far, guys."Maritonic wrote:Vocalizing an opinion and claiming it's utterly stupid and offensive to the franchise are two very different things. We're talking about the latter here.
The grace of God is a greater gift than we can truly fathom; undeserved mercy is a kindness humbling in its sheer scope.KaijuCanuck wrote:It’s part of my secret plan to create a fifth column in the US, pre-emoting our glorious conquest and the creation of the Canadian Empire, upon which the sun will consistently set after less than eight hours of daylight.
I was about to raise the same point.Terasawa wrote:The Mothras aren’t caterpillars. They are intelligent mythical creatures that have the appearance and lifecycle (sort of) of caterpillars.
I don't think the argument is that it is a bad story decision, though. Only that it is an 'unbelievable' or otherwise hard-to-swallow elements used to support the story.UltramanGoji wrote:Once again, the problem isn't people disliking the ending, it's that nobody who has ever disliked it has ever put forth an intelligent argument as to why it's a bad story decision. They complain about it, but never explain why it annoys them.
Again, this is what I'm talking about. That is simply an untrue statement. I just explained how I- and others- care about the plot, but have still found the ending to be a head-scratcher logistically.Godzillian wrote:Literally the only way someone can complain about the ending is if they don't actually care about the plot, they only like the monsters and the fights.
I don't think they're quite equivalent. Judge them by their size, people do not (solely). They are also infants (I mean- maybe they're born with full adult knowledge and much greater strength than the newborns of most species; we just don't have any in-film indication that that's the case, as far as I know), utilizing no apparent mystical powers, shooting only silly string, against an atomic juggernaut that has straight-up murdered a vicious, speedy melee fighter and an experienced adult (albeit infirmed) member of the same species with more powers, and can straight up melt rocks like a deflating beach-ball with his breath. I mean, sure- calling them caterpillars (like calling Godzilla a lizard) is a generalization-for-effect; but the fact that they are mystical beings doesn't appear to change any of the factors listed above. On paper, it is a bit absurd. Now, again, that doesn't mean it's not thematically appropriate, or doesn't serve the story, or can't be executed in a way (like most David vs. Goliath Mothra stories) that makes the victory plausible.eabaker wrote:It's like watching The Empire Strikes Back and walking away asking, "How could someone as short as Yoda possibly be better with the Force than someone as tall as Luke Skywalker?"
The grace of God is a greater gift than we can truly fathom; undeserved mercy is a kindness humbling in its sheer scope.KaijuCanuck wrote:It’s part of my secret plan to create a fifth column in the US, pre-emoting our glorious conquest and the creation of the Canadian Empire, upon which the sun will consistently set after less than eight hours of daylight.