nani sore wrote:Why the skreeonk do we need all these "____: Why all the hate?" threads?
People need to realize that talkback threads have been around since the forum existed. So yea. We don't need fourty "why does so and so get hate" threads.
nani sore wrote:Why the skreeonk do we need all these "____: Why all the hate?" threads?
Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
well you're saying "he escaped" like it's some badge of honor. lol he got whooped and was kind of too stupid to run before his arm got completely torn off.Moguera24 wrote:^most people escape by running, it's sort of a thing you have to do to escape. Would you prefer that he stood there like an armless idiot and be fried by atomic breath?
Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
i mean, it was being repelled by fruit before then, too. my point is that it appears to be a pretty instinctual, not intellectual, creature. sure, it ran off after losing both arms, but a smart kaiju would not have fought Godzilla on two separate occasions (given that it never had a chance), and then would get both arms/pincers pulled off.edgaguirus wrote:I wouldn't call Ebirah stupid. Ebirah was handling Godzilla well enough until Ebirah lost the first Pincer. The moment of shock and pain allowed Godzilla to remove the other. Ebirah knew it was over then and got out while the getting was good.
Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
yes, that's what I thought as welledgaguirus wrote:I wouldn't call Ebirah stupid. Ebirah was handling Godzilla well enough until Ebirah lost the first Pincer. The moment of shock and pain allowed Godzilla to remove the other. Ebirah knew it was over then and got out while the getting was good.
You're saying it like it's a badge of shame. There is no shame in running when you literally can't defend yourself. The difference between Ebirah and Gigan is that Ebirah ran when there was no possible way he could win; Gigan ran as soon as things didn't look well and abandons his friends like a coward.three wrote:well you're saying "he escaped" like it's some badge of honor. lol he got whooped and was kind of too stupid to run before his arm got completely torn off.Moguera24 wrote:^most people escape by running, it's sort of a thing you have to do to escape. Would you prefer that he stood there like an armless idiot and be fried by atomic breath?
If you remember from DAM, all the monsters on the island were reigned in by spraying scented mist that repelled even Godzilla. Besides, I'm pretty sure every one would be repelled by a smell they really despise.three wrote:i mean, it was being repelled by fruit before then, too. my point is that it appears to be a pretty instinctual, not intellectual, creature. sure, it ran off after losing both arms, but a smart kaiju would not have fought Godzilla on two separate occasions (given that it never had a chance), and then would get both arms/pincers pulled off.edgaguirus wrote:I wouldn't call Ebirah stupid. Ebirah was handling Godzilla well enough until Ebirah lost the first Pincer. The moment of shock and pain allowed Godzilla to remove the other. Ebirah knew it was over then and got out while the getting was good.
in short, i think it's a dumb animal. cool design, but not so cool mental capacity.
Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
I guess movie-wise he is (also, Im sorry for being needlessly aggressive about this, I'm just too passionate sometimes)three wrote:he was also just attacking boats that floated by, which doesn't bode too well for the "he's not stupid" discussion...
besides, running at the first sign of trouble IS smart, especially if you're not going to win. Gigan, therefore, was displaying greater intellect (which it did in other ways as well, but since we have no comparable feats on behalf of Ebirah here...). lest we forget that Ebs only shows back up because yet another boat came floating by, even though he had been beaten the day before and ran off when confronted with atomic breath (the smart thing to do).
if you think he's cool and all, you get no argument from me. but he's as dumb as a bag of rocks, for sure.
That just makes him aggressive, not necessarily stupid. I'd chalk it up as being aggressively territorial, not stupidity.three wrote:he was also just attacking boats that floated by, which doesn't bode too well for the "he's not stupid" discussion...
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Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
i edited my post so that it actually says what i wanted it to. i do not know why i said "i'm not convinced it's just attacking ships for territorial reasons".edgaguirus wrote:Destroying any ship that enters the island's waters looks like territorial behavior.
Well, I've read through that handbook for the recently deceased. It says: 'live people ignore the strange and unusual. I, myself, am strange and unusual. ~ Lydia Deetzaxnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
That's true, Ebirah's water advantage does give him an edge against Kong (unless Kong still had that lightning attack).LSD Jellyfish wrote:No one has brought up yet that originally Ebirah was actually supposed to be fighting King Kong instead of Godzilla. Ebirah horror of the deep was originally supposed to have King Kong in Godzilla's place which would have made more sense. The giant condor and Ebirah would have been more intimidating against King Kong than Godzilla as King Kong doesn't have a beam which is the real advantage Godzilla had. Also Godzilla is a sea monster so there's presumably less danger in him being underwater compared to King Kong. Ebirah wasn't weak, he was just designed around facing an entirely different opponent.
As for Ebirah himself he's cool. I liked when he are those two people trying to escape, scary stuff. It's also cool how he's the first monster to fight underwater in the Godzilla series ignoring Manda vs Atragon. It's a nice switch up from the land battles from the previous entries and shows a switch up.
Godzilla has fought underwater:Moguera24 wrote:That's true, Ebirah's water advantage does give him an edge against Kong (unless Kong still had that lightning attack).LSD Jellyfish wrote:No one has brought up yet that originally Ebirah was actually supposed to be fighting King Kong instead of Godzilla. Ebirah horror of the deep was originally supposed to have King Kong in Godzilla's place which would have made more sense. The giant condor and Ebirah would have been more intimidating against King Kong than Godzilla as King Kong doesn't have a beam which is the real advantage Godzilla had. Also Godzilla is a sea monster so there's presumably less danger in him being underwater compared to King Kong. Ebirah wasn't weak, he was just designed around facing an entirely different opponent.
As for Ebirah himself he's cool. I liked when he are those two people trying to escape, scary stuff. It's also cool how he's the first monster to fight underwater in the Godzilla series ignoring Manda vs Atragon. It's a nice switch up from the land battles from the previous entries and shows a switch up.
What I wouldn't give to see Godzilla fighting an opponent underwater (any opponent, not just Ebirah). I hope the new movies give Godzilla some water scenes or aquatic enemies.
The underwater Ghidorah fight lasts longer than you think. I remember feeling that way last time I saw it.Moguera24 wrote:I know he's fought there, but:
-the Ebirah fight was mostly above water
-Battra and Godzilla were just standing upright, it would have been basically the same if they fought on land
-Ghidorah was only a small fraction of the fight, and was mostly covered in bubbles
-(also Hedorah and Ebirah fought godzilla underwater in FW of screen, that would have been cool to see)
What I really want to see is Godzilla swimming in a three dimensional undersea battlefield fighting an aquaticly-adept foe for a good amount of time. (This would probably be a CG job, due to the limitations of suitimation)
I haven't watched GMK in awhile, so I guess the Ghidorah fight feels a little fuzzyLSD Jellyfish wrote: The underwater Ghidorah fight lasts longer than you think. I remember feeling that way last time I saw it.
The comic has some good underwater free fights, those indicate what it would be like.
One of the big difficulties I suppose of underwater fights is probably the lighting. Not to mention the suits are built with the intent of the monsters standing upright. Still I'm glad they tried to do what they did even if it never reached the full extent. At this point however I'm sick of underwater kaiju. There's way too many:
Godzilla, Manda, Gezora, Ebirah, Titano, Hedorah, Destroyah, Kameobas,Daghra, Zilla, Gaira and so on. Then there's tons of monsters capable of underwater fighting and shown to be at least decent swimmers (Kong, Varan, Battra). Id rather have more space fights!