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@Goji: I really like the animated sequences from the film. I felt like they added to the darker elements and were never really silly.
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The animated parts of it were...well, weird. But then again, that is what this movie is trying to aim with all of the messages of pollution being bad and such.
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I enjoyed how Hedorah truly embodied the issue of smog. It's tendency to switch forms kind of reminded me of how pollution takes many forms; thought that was a neat way of tying a kaiju into pollution.
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And then, thinking back to the hallucination scene of the bar and the girl dancing on the bar with a fish mask on, she used the word "kaisen."

So...she was singing about seafood?
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.....no.

In the song it translates to something along the lines of "return" or "give back".

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Legion1979 wrote:.....no.

In the song it translates to something along the lines of "return" or "give back".
Heh, wasn't the first time I was wrong. Thanks for the correction.
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It could also be Kaizen which translates roughly to "improvement" or "changes for better" but that word is used more often in a business sense so Kaisen would probably be more apt.

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Well, the name of the song IS "Give Back the Sun" so...

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Textless astronomy and nuclear fission segments in scope from the old German DVD.


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This is just something I wrote on FB about this movie a few weeks ago:

Godzilla vs. Hedorah is a movie best understood in terms of either collage or classical Soviet montage. Yes, much of the content is not organic to the core story; yes, it is frequently discordant, to the point that "discordant" could be called its primary tone. But to treat either of those facts as a criticism of the movie at some level of "objective quality" is simply to display one's own prejudices. The movie creates its meaning through its juxtapositions. Whether or not that is to one's personal tastes, it is the mechanism which, by design, powers Godzilla vs. Hedorah, and criticism of the movie should start by treating that as, at worst, a neutral trait.
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Space Hunter M wrote:Textless astronomy and nuclear fission segments in scope from the old German DVD.

Stuff like this is always cool to see. Awesome finds, SHM.
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I don't care for this movie, but I can understand why some people do. I just can't stand the (mostly) awful score, boring first fight, horrible editing, and the fact that Godzilla flies. This is basically Godzilla on acid. Visually, yes, this movie has some appeal, but it doesn't work for me overall. I don't need people dancing around in fish heads to make it a Godzilla movie. I don't care about the cartoons. This movie is not one I watch often, nor is it one I like very much. There is a reason Tomoyuki Tanaka said Banno "ruined Godzilla," and this movie is it.
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Hybrid Gojira wrote: There is a reason Tomoyuki Tanaka said Banno "ruined Godzilla," and this movie is it.
Except he didn't actually say that.

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Space Hunter M wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote: There is a reason Tomoyuki Tanaka said Banno "ruined Godzilla," and this movie is it.
Except he didn't actually say that.
The quote comes from Steve Ryfle, so if you have a better one, please share. Steve is pretty well respected for his work. I think the actual quote was "you ruined the Godzilla series," but that seems like kinda potato, "potatoh" kinda stuff to me.
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I've actually done a reedit of this film not too long ago, not because I hate the original (I personally really enjoy the original film), but was just curious about a few what if's, as in 'what if the soundtrack was different', 'what if the editing was done in a more traditional style', etc, as well as just practicing my editing skills.

When you remove the animations, the flying sequence, and some other things, the film really does become quite dark, especially with changing out the soundtrack with Masaru Sato's earlier scores. While I'll still always love the original version, I am quite proud of what I've done.

Also, I managed to use the Titra dub, which I feel is a definite plus.
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Hybrid Gojira wrote:
Space Hunter M wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote: There is a reason Tomoyuki Tanaka said Banno "ruined Godzilla," and this movie is it.
Except he didn't actually say that.
The quote comes from Steve Ryfle, so if you have a better one, please share. Steve is pretty well respected for his work. I think the actual quote was "you ruined the Godzilla series," but that seems like kinda potato, "potatoh" kinda stuff to me.
https://youtu.be/N1dL7lA7bss?t=9m47s

And Steve ain't a god, BTW.

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Space Hunter M wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:
Space Hunter M wrote: Except he didn't actually say that.
The quote comes from Steve Ryfle, so if you have a better one, please share. Steve is pretty well respected for his work. I think the actual quote was "you ruined the Godzilla series," but that seems like kinda potato, "potatoh" kinda stuff to me.
https://youtu.be/N1dL7lA7bss?t=9m47s
That's not exactly a rebuttal. He even says that Tanaka didn't like his take on the character.
And Steve ain't a god, BTW.
And when did I claim he was?
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