I didn't think that movie was anywhere near as campy as what Batman had done. The episode where Batman was running for mayor was just absolute camp at its finest.Godzilla 2000 wrote:Godzilla vs Megalon says hello.Tyler wrote:I don't think Godzilla's ever been as intentionally campy as '60s Batman.
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Q: Will we see that monster that Bryan was going to reveal this morning at the press conference?
Cranston: Oh yeah! The only Godzilla movie with an X-rating.
Cranston: Oh yeah! The only Godzilla movie with an X-rating.
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I apologize. That is indeed very, very campy.Godzilla 2000 wrote:
And Godzilla tag-teaming with a giant super robot against a mutant cockroach with drill hands and a space chicken/lizard/cyborg thing isnt?
Ok.
But I will at least say equally as campy as Batman. That whole Batman for mayor scenario was still pretty ridiculous, and I, in my possibly wrong mindset, view it as no different in campiness as a giant monster fight.
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I do not know if anyone brought it up yet, but I am not checking 9 pages to find out.
Batman or any showa Godzilla movie will ever be as campy as the showa Gamera series.
Using powerlines as ear plugs, doing gymnastics, using a monster's back as an instrument and so on.
Batman or any showa Godzilla movie will ever be as campy as the showa Gamera series.
Using powerlines as ear plugs, doing gymnastics, using a monster's back as an instrument and so on.
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Campy oh hell yeah but to me that shit was funny62JackC wrote:I do not know if anyone brought it up yet, but I am not checking 9 pages to find out.
Batman or any showa Godzilla movie will ever be as campy as the showa Gamera series.
Using powerlines as ear plugs, doing gymnastics, using a monster's back as an instrument and so on.
All Movie snobs can just f off IMO
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I loved showa Gamera specifically for being campy.Sydney Aradi wrote:Campy oh hell yeah but to me that shit was funny62JackC wrote:I do not know if anyone brought it up yet, but I am not checking 9 pages to find out.
Batman or any showa Godzilla movie will ever be as campy as the showa Gamera series.
Using powerlines as ear plugs, doing gymnastics, using a monster's back as an instrument and so on.
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Legion1979 wrote:And I'm assuming after that you two get it on? Or does her brother have first dibs?bearijuana wrote: Lol, I dress up like that at parties alot, and my cousin will dress up as Harley Quinn when I dress up as him
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62JackC wrote:I loved showa Gamera specifically for being campy.Sydney Aradi wrote:Campy oh hell yeah but to me that shit was funny62JackC wrote:I do not know if anyone brought it up yet, but I am not checking 9 pages to find out.
Batman or any showa Godzilla movie will ever be as campy as the showa Gamera series.
Using powerlines as ear plugs, doing gymnastics, using a monster's back as an instrument and so on.
I didn't think it was campy..........
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ScootaVaran wrote:Wouldn't Final Wars fit in there aswell?Godzilla 2000 wrote:Godzilla vs Megalon says hello.Tyler wrote:I don't think Godzilla's ever been as intentionally campy as '60s Batman.
You know, I have been thinking about something related. I'm not even sure how convinced of it I am, but I would definitely like some other opinions on this.
So I rewatched Final Wars today, and I actually think Rhuyei Kitamura made the film sort of poorly on purpose, but as a fan-service if that makes sense. I have always been a Kitamura fan. I loved Azumi and Versus, and I heard the comparison of him to Quenten Tarantino and I do feel like it's pretty true. His inept ability to feature the over-the-top style accompanied by well-written dialogue/characters and intricately detailed sets is something that Tarantino is famous for. Kitamura, like many people, feel like they know what the Godzilla series really is about and leading up to Final Wars he always mentioned "getting it right" for the 50th anniversary film. To me, I assumed he was going to go back to Godzilla's roots and make a film more similar to the original (as I was thinking the dark, gritty and serious tone would match his work more), but to him, I think he showed us how campy he thinks Godzilla is by delivering Final Wars to the fans. Maybe that random, sloppy, unoriginal clusterfuck of a film is Kitamura's view of what the spirit of the Godzilla series really is, which is pretty alarming. It was poorly edited, horribly paced, blatant rip-offs of Hollywood films, cheesy--but maybe that's what Godzilla has always been to him. Ridiculous and unrealistic monster fights, flamboyant Xilians and mutants, crappy SFX, a third-rate forced love story, a white guy who sounds even more horrible than all those dubbed Showa films, a stupid Minya character, etc. I just watch the scene with the pimp and the cop in New York and think it can't be an accident, he's screwing with the source material on purpose. Godzilla's a joke to him and maybe he either doesn't realize it or he loves it because of all that. But he's too good of a director to make a final product like what was released. There was literally only like 4 or 5 things I liked:
The opening montage
Gigan's look
Godzilla's suit
Godzilla being such a powerhouse--I mean it is his tribute film and the shot of him standing in the big ass crater was epic
The head Xilian (the young one, he was great in the Azumi films) even though he purposefully acted too silly at certain parts
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No you haven't. You stated that a lot of animals use tools. Give me an example involving a reptile gripping something with his hands and using it as a weapon... furthermore punching, karate chopping, cooperating with multiple species to battle an enemy, and not kill each other as well. Don't state "suspension of disbelief" because you stated they are of average animal intelligence.GotengoXGodzilla wrote:...Since when? I've been backing up everything I've said so far in this thread to the best of my ability. Everything I feel the need to address, I've done so. As far as I'm concerned, I have answered questions and have always backed up what I've said.
Umm bro? I don't care if you think you've made a "good job argument". I can make a "good job argument" that Obama is actually a Chinese cyborg from the future and state it as my opinion. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong because it's an opinion.....That's the magical thing about denial though, the said person never says "I'm in denial"As I've said before, I've made my argument as to why the Showa series isn't campy, and have never once used the word "denial". There are people who agree with my arguments, and I'd say I've done a good job my argument as a whole.
Is that your opinion? Because my "opinion" differs, so there isn't a right answer here. I'm really wondering if there is, or should be some medication involved here. People with multiple personalities exist. Do you acknowledge this fact? (direct question here) Giant monsters can't exist, and even if they did they wouldn't know karate, or talk to one another... or have offspring that look like Gary Coleman. You do know giant monsters can't exist right bro? (direct question here) So if you know they can't, how can you reasonably say it's just as easy to believe they exist as something else happening that ACTUALLY exists?Seriously, pulling the "You're in denial" card just seems petty at this point.
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No you haven't.
I don't care if you think you've made a "good job argument". I can make a "good job argument" that Obama is actually a Chinese cyborg from the future and state it as my opinion. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong because it's an opinion.....That's the magical thing about denial though, the said person never says "I'm in denial"
Is that your opinion? Because my "opinion" differs, so there isn't a right answer here. I'm really wondering if there is, or should be some medication involved here.
You see, it's because of this kind of attitude that I completely ignored your second to last post in this thread, the one where you tell me I'm wrong about split personalities (and yes, I'm aware they exist. I never said they didn't.) If you're going to act that way and treat my arguments this way, I don't want to be apart of this discussion. Treat others with respect, and you'll get respect in return. Treat others like they're not nearly as great as you are, and don't be surprised if people don't care what you have to say or just straight up ignore what you say.You do know giant monsters can't exist right bro? (direct question here) So if you know they can't, how can you reasonably say it's just as easy to believe they exist as something else happening that ACTUALLY exists?
This is all opinion-based. Saying the Showa series isn't campy is simply my opinion, as with many other things I've said in this thread. If you don't like it or agree with it, that's fine. If you have different feelings than me, that's fine too. That doesn't make your opinion wrong, nor does it make my opinion wrong. As I told Godzilla 2000 earlier in this thread, there is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion. If an opinion were right or wrong, it would cease to be an opinion and move into the realm of facts. So don't treat other peoples opinions like they're wrong just because they are different then your own. That only leads to disrespect, hatred, and a false sense of superiority. You're free to disagree with my opinions, but say that my opinions (or any opinions) are wrong is just being rude.
If you think what I've said is wrong, then you need stop being an asshole. And that is not an opinion.
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And you need to backup something if you say it. You still haven't done it, because you can'tGotengoXGodzilla wrote:If you think what I've said is wrong, then you need stop being an asshole. And that is not an opinion.
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And there's that attitude again. Which is the reason why I didn't back up my argument that one time. I could back up what I said, I just chose not to.Carthormerr wrote:And you need to backup something if you say it. You still haven't done it, because you can'tGotengoXGodzilla wrote:If you think what I've said is wrong, then you need stop being an asshole. And that is not an opinion.
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And there's you not answering again. This is simply question. Prove it. Don't state something you can't backup. You like to split hairs on every word someone types, so that's what I'm doing. See unlike you I can concede a point if I am proven wrong. You need to stop being an idiot and making unsubstantiated claimsGotengoXGodzilla wrote:And there's that attitude again. Which is the reason why I didn't back up my argument that one time. I could back up what I said, I just chose not to.
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And here is a simple answer. No. As long as you keep up the bad attitude with how you respond to me, I'm not answering the post that you're so butthurt about. It's pointless to respond to your post if you're just going to be an asshole to whatever I have to say. All it will lead to is me rolling my eyes in discontent and then a continuation of this nonsense, ending in nothing worthy coming out of it, except me most likely being a bit pissed and possibly a headache. That's not worth it.This is simply question. Prove it.
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I don't give a shit about you responding to my post because I know the answer already. I'm simply doing the exact same thing you do. Quit embarrassing yourself tengoGotengoXGodzilla wrote:And here is a simple answer. No. As long as you keep up the bad attitude with how you respond to me, I'm not answering the post that you're so butthurt about. It's pointless to respond to your post if you're just going to be an asshole to whatever I have to say. All it will lead to is me rolling my eyes in discontent and then a continuation of this nonsense, ending in nothing worthy coming out of it, except me most likely being a bit pissed.
Fix your attitude problem, and then maybe I'll respond to your post. It really seems like right now you're ignoring everything I have to say and are just transfixed on how I'm not responding to your post. All the more reason not to respond to it until you straighten up.
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Forgive me for a necro-ing a dead thread. Not sure if that's frowned upon or not around here.
I think I did hate the later Showa Era films, or at least ignored them for the most part. Partially because I went through that phase where everything "MUST BE DARK AND EDGY!!!!" (though I think most of us did) but recently I've developed a strong appreciation for them. Sure, I'll admit I think they are a reason why Godzilla is still thought of as being cheesy and whatnot, but at the same time without the Showa Era I doubt Godzilla or kaiju would have had as much of an impact or become as long lasting. Truthfully I think people are too focused on everything being realistic, the 60s and 70s Showa films were, for the most part, intended to be escapist entertainment.
Overall I have fun watching them and appreciate them for what they are.
I think I did hate the later Showa Era films, or at least ignored them for the most part. Partially because I went through that phase where everything "MUST BE DARK AND EDGY!!!!" (though I think most of us did) but recently I've developed a strong appreciation for them. Sure, I'll admit I think they are a reason why Godzilla is still thought of as being cheesy and whatnot, but at the same time without the Showa Era I doubt Godzilla or kaiju would have had as much of an impact or become as long lasting. Truthfully I think people are too focused on everything being realistic, the 60s and 70s Showa films were, for the most part, intended to be escapist entertainment.
Overall I have fun watching them and appreciate them for what they are.
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Well, I personally love the camp factor of mid-to-late Showa films. It's just good clean fun. The only thing I don't like about it, is that it gave Godzilla this reputation in the west as being something completely cheesy and devoid of seriousness. Such an attitude is what lead to the terrible 98 film, which in turn lead to the downfall of Godzilla in the west. Which we're only just now recovering from thanks to the 2014 film. Hopefully the 2016 film will see a release here and be a serious take, further helping general audiences take Godzilla seriously.
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The camp is one reason I enjoy the Showa films. Some of it could be a bit silly, but it kept things interesting and entertaining.
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Not in the least bit. Its probably one of the main reasons I grew to love it so much.
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The campier aspects of the Showa films can make them a bit harder to digest. Appreciating something because it's cheesy is more of an acquired taste. That said, my recent reviewings of about half the Showa films have been mixed. Films like Hedorah greatly benefit from the cheesy, wacky nature, while films like KKvG (American Cut) honestly really suffer from it, IMO. For the most part, I will say that, when they're not overusing stock footage, I find myself at the very least thoroughly entertained.
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At one point, I was put off by the cheesyness, but now, I like that aspect of the era when in comparison with the more 'serious' of the franchise. It really takes you to another time, and makes you appreciate every single detail of the movie a whole lot more when you're in the mindset that what you're doing to do is watch a movie. To entertain yourself, and that, is what the Showa series does, and very well.
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